Would you sell Ramsey for £50m (now £20m)

[Blood_Gooner]

OK... Fair enough. We'll just have to agree to disagree, however 'blinkered' that makes me out to be.

[Wilson]

Sell for 50m and do what with the money? 'Go and sign Pogba'. Yeah because thats what I did on Football Manager.

Lampard and Gerrard didnt start peaking to around their mid twenties. Ramsey just hit 25 and will enter in his prime years in the coming years. Lampard moved Chelsea aged 23, and had two pretty sub years. Gerrard the same - peaking around 25.

Given What Ramsey has done and overcome from the ages of 20-25, to sell him now would be a seen in 5 years time as a monumental F up of epic proportions.

It never ceases to amaze me, the short slightness of some fans. Their are other threads suggesting Wilshere should be sold, as should Theo and Chamberlain.

Mind you, these are the same fans who wont come forward and admit they always wanted to get rid of RVP when he was struggling for injuries. And the same fans who wanted to sell Kosicleny after only 2 seasons.

Some opinions, I have no tolerance for, and selling Ramsey is one of them.

[Blood_Gooner]

What a load of tosh. So many strawman arguments to pick apart here.

Ramsey is overrated by those who see whatever they see in him, isn't a top talent who'd be hard to replace, so to skip way over to the other side of the spectrum and punt Pogba is rather disingenuous. Let me guess, an AKB or at least a past AKB, right? AKB dodgy spin 101 there, tbh.

There are countless players who stagnated or turned proper shit during their proverbial prime years, so picking 2 household names and suggesting they weren't at their best till a certain age is hardly a defence and furthermore is no guarantee Ramsey will turn out in like manner.

Unless you have a crystal ball or can somehow guarantee Ramsey will go on to be a top CM, it's one hell of a prediction saying selling him will be a monumental fuck up of whatever proportion. So far, there's no evidence to suggest he'll be a great miss. I'll stick to formulating my opinions on him based on the long ongoing trend, thanks.

You cannot verify that the same fans that don't think much of Ramsey are the same fans that wanted RvP gone. That's a terrible, terrible argument and such a sweeping generalisation has no place here. Personally, I always thought RvP was top quality. You could see it almost everytime that he was fit. He eventually remained fit for a season and it was plain for all to see just what talent he had always been, as he single handedly landed us a top 4 finish. He then fucked off because TOF wouldn't do what was necessary to give him, an aging player, a proper shot at the title. I don't blame him for leaving; what turned my stomach was where he went.

[northbank123]

OK... Fair enough. We'll just have to agree to disagree, however 'blinkered' that makes me out to be.

I'm not agreeing shit

[Wilson]

And if your wrong and he goes onto find a new level of maturity in the coming years?

I think he has gotten into some great positions since being moved into the middle, and granted he has missed some chances, the fact he gets into those positions in the first place is a positive. His off the ball movement is fantastic and can shoot, even though he hasnt been very prolific in the past months, you dont want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I seriously question the wisdom of any Arsenal fans who would actively entertain the idea of selling Ramsey.

Lets say we put him up for sale, you reckon his suitors are going to be the likes of Everton, Newcastle, West Ham? No! Its going to be Chelsea, Man City, Man United, Liverpool. And what does that tell you?

[northbank123]

Ramsey's niche is as a goal scoring midfielder.

He's not got the presence or to be honest any of the attributes to grab games by the scruff of the neck like Vieira could. He is not technically good enough and does not have the vision or creativity to pull the strings like Fabregas used to or to flitter around the edge of the box causing havoc like a David Silva.

He was phenomenal those few months and it was based around the team playing more direct at more pace, and with him arriving in the box at the right time (and finishing well). Sounds simplistic but Lampard made a tremendous career out of the same.

I'm sceptical he will recover that and to be honest he seems to enjoy the idea of getting on the ball constantly, dropping deep and popping up anywhere and ever a la Fabregas.

[DB10GOONER]

Sell for 50m and do what with the money? 'Go and sign Pogba'. Yeah because thats what I did on Football Manager.

Lampard and Gerrard didnt start peaking to around their mid twenties. Ramsey just hit 25 and will enter in his prime years in the coming years. Lampard moved Chelsea aged 23, and had two pretty sub years. Gerrard the same - peaking around 25.

Given What Ramsey has done and overcome from the ages of 20-25, to sell him now would be a seen in 5 years time as a monumental F up of epic proportions.

It never ceases to amaze me, the short slightness of some fans. Their are other threads suggesting Wilshere should be sold, as should Theo and Chamberlain.

Mind you, these are the same fans who wont come forward and admit they always wanted to get rid of RVP when he was struggling for injuries. And the same fans who wanted to sell Kosicleny after only 2 seasons.

Some opinions, I have no tolerance for, and selling Ramsey is one of them.

Can't agree with the Gerard/Lampard argument at all. You make it sound like they were rubbish until they hit 25 and then suddenly they both became top class and thus that's what will happen with Ramsey!

In reality both Lumpolard and the Scouse wretch showed at an early age they had quality and then they both progressed steadily from their late teens, getting better and better each season, getting more and more consistent in their performances until they hit their peak in the early to mid 20's. Ramsey has not had that steady development and improvement. He was awful for 2 seasons before his one brilliant season and he has in general been awful for the 2 since.

Somewhere deep inside Rambo is a decent player but he doesn't appear to have that bit of savvy to consistently, year after year, deliver top performances. He reminds me of Rob Lee. A journeyman player with flashes of brilliance who then had that ONE amazing season (remember Keegan bigging him up as the future Ingerland captain?!) and then promptly went back to being average with moments of brilliance.

[DB10GOONER]

He didn't have an incredible season. Some fans tend to turn to embellishment, in a bid to prop up our whatever point of view they are holding on to. He had a good half a season where he pulled a bit of a Lampard - popping up in and around the box at the right place, at the right time and nicking a few goals. Also, if you care to remember, he was still a passenger verses every proper opposition we came up against during his bit of purple patch. A proper flat track bully, if I may.

A selfish fucker who infuriates as much as Mr. 140k per week Walcott. Not some top talent who'd be anywhere impossible to replace. Would definitely sell him for 50 mil, if anyone were foolish enough to pay that much for him.

I wouldn't agree it is embellishment, mate. He was brilliant until the injury and he was still very good after he came back, including scoring the winner in an FA Cup final. A brilliant season by anyone's standards. He did more than a bit of a Lumpolard just turning up in the box to score; he was fundamental in midfield, often controlling the pace of the game, distributing the ball very effectively. Also, the entire team went into passenger mode against the top teams tbh, wasn't just something we can aim at Rambo.

But personally I think he was rubbish up til that season and has been mostly rubbish since.

[SteveO 35]

If you deleted the pound sign, removed the '0' and replaced the 'm' with a 'p', I'd still say yes. Worst player in the team by a mile

[Redarmy]

50 million...LOL

[OneBardGooner]

I would sell him for a £5 after today's no show (non)performance.

[Sean]

He's become such a selfish wasteful arsehole since Wembley 2014

[Rosie_titters]

i've been one of his biggest fans, after coming back after a terrible injury, then he had a great season for us scoring loads of important goals. And i was piss off with Wenger for playing him out on the right. When clearly he has no pace and is not a winger

But the bloke was proper shit today. And him and Coq don't work well together. He moans about wanting a CM role but he has been shit in the Centre. When's Cazorla back?

[supergeorgegraham]

Yes he is not that good

[wilko49er]

Had it with him. He is selfish, sulks a lot. Another untouchable! Shave his head, get rid of. 50 million!! A packet of scratchings, four pack, and a copy of Private would do.