Goodbye to the Boleyn

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nut flush gooner
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Re: Goodbye to the Boleyn

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Leyton Gooner wrote:
nut flush gooner wrote:
Ziegler1988 wrote:Went four times to Upton Park in the last eight seasons. Proper ground and atmosphere pretty good (at least with the mongs in the corner). Will certainly be missed as another soulless bowl comes into use
Kind of disagree about soulless bowl. The emirates has a cracking atmosphere on a big match night, just we haven't had much to cheer in the last 10 years,

The main reason for the poor atmosphere in the emirates is our middle class fan base, plus the corporates of course. You are just as likely to see these sorts at Lords or Wimbledon as our gaff.

Have to agree. I hate the Bowl and everything it stands for, but I've been to Benfica's ground which is almost identical except for the fans (as opposed to customers) that populate it and the atmosphere they create which couldn't be more different.

I go to Lord's a lot. Does that make me one of them? :shock:
You know what I mean. Lords hasn't got an atmosphere apart from some generous applause for a century, a wicket or a good catch/run out. If you wan't atmosphere at cricket, Edgbaston is the place to be, especially for the ashes. Even the oval has a better atmosphere. Don't get me wrong I like a bit of cricket, but put cricket type fans in a football stadium and it's dour. Even the redaction area has been shit for a few seasons now.

The bowl is soulless because of the fans not the design.

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Re: Goodbye to the Boleyn

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VoiceOfReason wrote:
augie wrote:were in the 3rd flight as recently the season we went unbeaten :roll: :oops:
West Ham were in the Championship playoff final the season we went unbeaten.



I think not

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_W ... C._seasons

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Re: Goodbye to the Boleyn

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augie wrote:
VoiceOfReason wrote:
augie wrote:were in the 3rd flight as recently the season we went unbeaten :roll: :oops:
West Ham were in the Championship playoff final the season we went unbeaten.



I think not

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_W ... C._seasons
I think Wikipedia are just not making it very clear what the 1st and 2nd flight is there, they are just calling it by whatever name it was known as at the time.

And so Div 1 in 03-04 was the 2nd flight, the following year it was referred to as the Championship. I still prefer Div 1 2 3 & 4.

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Re: Goodbye to the Boleyn

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Clash wrote:
augie wrote:
VoiceOfReason wrote:
augie wrote:were in the 3rd flight as recently the season we went unbeaten :roll: :oops:
West Ham were in the Championship playoff final the season we went unbeaten.



I think not

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_W ... C._seasons
I think Wikipedia are just not making it very clear what the 1st and 2nd flight is there, they are just calling it by whatever name it was known as at the time.

And so Div 1 in 03-04 was the 2nd flight, the following year it was referred to as the Championship. I still prefer Div 1 2 3 & 4.
So are we saying Augie gets all his info from wiki :rubchin:

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LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:
Clash wrote:
augie wrote:
VoiceOfReason wrote:
augie wrote:were in the 3rd flight as recently the season we went unbeaten :roll: :oops:
West Ham were in the Championship playoff final the season we went unbeaten.



I think not

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_W ... C._seasons
I think Wikipedia are just not making it very clear what the 1st and 2nd flight is there, they are just calling it by whatever name it was known as at the time.

And so Div 1 in 03-04 was the 2nd flight, the following year it was referred to as the Championship. I still prefer Div 1 2 3 & 4.
So are we saying Augie gets all his info from wiki :rubchin:
You only finding this out NOW??!!! :shock:

:lol: :wink:

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Re: Goodbye to the Boleyn

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DB10GOONER wrote:
LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:
Clash wrote:
augie wrote:
VoiceOfReason wrote:
West Ham were in the Championship playoff final the season we went unbeaten.



I think not

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_W ... C._seasons
I think Wikipedia are just not making it very clear what the 1st and 2nd flight is there, they are just calling it by whatever name it was known as at the time.

And so Div 1 in 03-04 was the 2nd flight, the following year it was referred to as the Championship. I still prefer Div 1 2 3 & 4.
So are we saying Augie gets all his info from wiki :rubchin:
You only finding this out NOW??!!! :shock:

:lol: :wink:
:lol:

Yes :oops:

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Another sink estate full of flats...just what the area needs....at least those shit hole pubs will go out of business :D :D :D

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We should rename this thread "Good Riddance to the Boleyn". :D

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Clash wrote:
foxinthebox2001 wrote:One of my abiding match day memories was turning into Avenall Rd (top end), and taking in the sea of supporters all the way down the hill towards Gillespie Rd, and the magnificent facade of Highbury on the left.
West Ham fans should remember, once its gone, its gone forever.
Nice post mate. Very true about once its gone its gone forever.

Only once has a club moved back to a their spiritual home stadium and that was Charlton who never permanently moved elsewhere.

Anyway I have no love for West Ham but its sad that yet another old ground is about to get bulldozed in the name of progress. Admittedly Upton Park looks nothing like it did when I first went there in the 80s but its still the same place. Still got the memories. As is the case with Old Trafford and Anfield. Different stands but they're still home for many.

One of the biggest load of bollocks that does the rounds in football circles these days is the 'progress' thing.

'Have to move with the times''. ''Mustn't stand in the way of progress''. ''Can't keep living in the past''

This is how business men (and women like that poisonous bitch Karen Brady) brainwash people into accepting their self-serving, money making schemes. They make it sound like they are there for our benefit when really the opposite is true. They make you sound unreasonable if you dont want change.

And yes tell me how football has ''progressed'' as a sport or a spectacle since Arsenal did the double in 1971?

As far as I can see it hasnt because football doesnt need billions from TV. It doesnt need sponsorship or advertising or non-stop coverage or any of that crap we're told it needs to survive.

It survived perfectly well without those things because men will always play football and want to watch those who are the best play it. Football could survive and continue as an amateur sport for this reason. And yet perversely we are approaching a time when football might not even need crowds.

Too many people have had the wool pulled over their eyes and been tricked into accepting that these foreign owners and Sky TV are good for the game. On the contrary they are slowly destroying it.

Highbury in 1971 held over 60,000. More than what we can get in the ground now. Is that progress?

Also it was affordable, it was more raw and more real, the players were a better pedigree and cared more who they were playing for. It was probably more exciting for children back then too. Everyone played on Saturday 3pm

Not one thing that actually matters has progressed.

All seater stadiums and family atmospheres are a nonsense and a big marketing con.

Its all contrived shite that has been dressed up in the name of safety and comfort ... but really its just there to take more and more money from the working man and divert it into the pockets of the rich.

Corporate entertainment is vile but this has grown and grown to a point that it has taken over and now take precedence. The people who care least about the game in a stadium get the best seats. TV justifies moving kick off times because of the money they pump into the game ... and yet still the ticket prices for everyone else go up. So how are we benefiting exactly?

Sponsorship and talk of the expanding the brand is grotesque. ''The Emirates Stadium'' Say no more. Sounds like a greyhound track.

Too late now but West Ham fans, the genuine ones, will grow to hate their new stadium once the novelty of it has worn off. It wont make them a bigger club and that ambitious bitch Brady will fuck off and ruin some other part the game some other when it suits her.

( sorry for the lengthy rant for anyone who bothered ... was originally only intended posting one sentence)

Great post agree 100%

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Oh how I will miss getting my jacket slashed in Green Street or getting ambushed at bromley by bow by mockney twats !
Ground full of prowper hard cases and didnt you know they all were dockers and knew the Krays (who supported Arsenal as the nearest club to the east end ) !

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Herd wrote:Oh how I will miss getting my jacket slashed in Green Street or getting ambushed at bromley by bow by mockney twats !
Ground full of prowper hard cases and didnt you know they all were dockers and knew the Krays (who supported Arsenal as the nearest club to the east end ) !



Always made me laugh how West Ham always give it the big Cockney thing. As you say, the nearest club to St Mary le bow church is the Arsenal.

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Around the mid 80s, does anyone remember the red distress flare that got fired up the pitch from the Arsenal section on the South bank. It veered off in to the main stand. Fuck knows how someone didn't get killed. :shock:

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SPARKSY wrote:Around the mid 80s, does anyone remember the red distress flare that got fired up the pitch from the Arsenal section on the South bank. It veered off in to the main stand. Fuck knows how someone didn't get killed. :shock:
Shame it didnt, apparantly our resident pyromaniac did that , he also did the petrol bomb at WHL ,and the firework display at standard liege away . . . . alledgedly . . . . . . mans pure fruit of the loon.
In fairness it wasnt one of the full on flares because they can and have killed people ,but the small ones were a feature at games for years !

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I went to Upton Park a few times and only ever knew it as Upton Park. I'm not sure when or why it started to be referred to as the Boleyn ground, and while I know there's some sort of local connection to the name, I hate the renaming of grounds. King Power, Macron, Emirates and others remind me of the vile names of many US stadiums.

A bit of the soul of a club dies when some egomaniac decides they know a better name.

I know it's a bit stupid, but I love it when "We are the North bank" rings out at whatever our current ground is called.

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no mate, it was always officially known as the boleyn ground. much like highbury as "arsenal stadium" and old wembley as "the empire stadium".

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