I DON'T BUY IT...JUST LIKE ARSENE DOESN'T!

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Post by I Hate Hleb »

:roll: :oops: :roll: :oops: :roll:

IT REALLY IS TIME YOUR DOCTOR INCREASED THE DOSAGE LEVELS OF YOUR ANTI-DEPRESSANT MEDICATION AUGIE. THE AMOUNT YOU'RE TAKING NOW IS OBVIOUSLY NOT STRONG ENOUGH AND DEFINATELY NOT WORKING FOR YOU!! :oops: :oops: :wink:

MAYBE YOU SHOULD ASK FOR SOME PROSAC? THAT APPARENTLY CHEERS PEOPLE UP!! :lol: :wink: ALTERNATIVELY, I CAN SEE IF I CAN GET SOME OF MY 'SPECIAL' SMOKES TO YOU! :wink: :lol: :wink:

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Post by AFC 49'er »

Augie - boring!

Mainly it is the negative element on this forum that keep banging on about signings. Long term stabilty will not last if we throw money away

Be constructive - How much is enough to pay for a prima donna? How big should the squad be? How many developed players do we need?

Let's get some balance back in the opinions.

If you want experience, why don't we just bring back TH14, PV4 and RP7 - At least they know the club

Whilst we ALL would like to see fresh faces, why do you and others want to splash the cash around just so the club is seen to be doing something.

Have you even considered the possibilty that some of the most desirable players may not even want to play for AFC - Robinho and Modric have already turned us down. Every decent player we have had under AW has been hunted down by Barcelona or Real Madrid, and we always give in eventually.

We are best placed buying young talent with long durabilty, rather than pay over the odds for a quick fix.

I would rather have a developing player giving a 100% than Superstar giving 50% - I would rather see a younger talent develop than an established player pick up a fat wage check and do a Ballack or Sheva

Just a few things to think about guys - that's all

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"I would rather have a developing player giving a 100% than Superstar giving 50% - I would rather see a younger talent develop than an established player pick up a fat wage check and do a Ballack or Sheva"

State of mind at 1.20am - cheque not check :oops:

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Post by Cockerill's chin »

This discussion was played out in the summer. I'm still with Augie on this one.

If our lot as a club is to bring through kids and then, as AFC49 said, let Barca and Real Madrid pick off those that flourish then that says a lot for our club.

We seem to be more akin to the philosophy of the Dutch league or Crewe under Dario Gradi rather than what some on here see Arsenal as. I see the Arsenal as one of the top two teams in the Premiership. As the Premiership is the richest and best in the world that makes AFC one of the largest and richest teams in the world. In that case, why the f**k are we content with bringing through kids and resigning to the fact that the best of them will want to leave for a big Spanish club?

This is a dangerous game being played by the brilliant AW. The man is in danger of becoming obsessed with his nurturing reputation. The balance seems to have gone.

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Where do I start to reply to your post AFC49 ?

Firstly let me just say that there is a huge difference in saying a player and signing a prima donna - why is it that you and a few others automatically assume any new player brought into the club will come with baggage and disrupt the harmony of the squad ? Ye are supposed to be the group defending wenger so are you now saying that you dont trust wenger to spot a player with attitude before you sign him ?

Where have I ever said that I want signings for the sake of signings ?ant signings cos the team and squad are weak in some areas and NEED signings - I could probably list off at least 10 better keepers in premiership than almunia and given the importance of a top quality keeper that aint good, van persie is almost constantly injured and it leaves us short of options up front and on the wings we have eboue(a full back),diaby and hleb + rosicky(all centre midfielders) so a winger wouldnt go amiss and like loads on here I worry about senderos. These are gaps that the vast vast majority of fans can see and could be difference between success and failure for this team.

Your point about bringing through the kids actually supports my arguement more than yours in my opinion. You say that we are best served by bring through young talent so are we now a crewe or 1980's notts forest then whereby we can only survive by following this route ? :oops: How exactly are we better served by bringing through talent that you admit will probably fcuk off to spain or somewhere else in a few years and how is that any more of a long term stratedgy if they aint hanging around either ? How are we better off bringing through the likes of cashly "greedy *word censored*" cole, bently, pennant etc who all had the superstar attitude that you rightly criticise but had done fcuk all to merit it ? :roll:

Where or how can you back up the claims that either modric or robino turned us down ? I like to see the transfer rumours as much as the next guy but we all know that we can disregard most of what we read in the papers including who supposedly turned us down.

I understand that you wish to remain positive and upbeat afc49 but your policies make no sense to me - produce young players, sell them in a few years but dont buy any players in case they come with an attitude :roll:
We are meant to be a big big club and it would be nice if the club sometimes acted in this way instead of just talking about it - by that I mean not selling our best players everytime one of our better players is hunted by another big club and occasionaly poach one of their players or one of their transfer targets. This kind of attitude shows that we are ready to stand toe to toe with these (often) arrogant clubs and will not cowar down to them anymore. This point is for another day however and is not what I am all about now and that is the strengthening of the squad for the here and now. We have a real chance of success this season which many, including me, did not believe we would at the beginning of the season. What is important is where we go from here and how ambitous we are to acheive these goals this season.

By the way IHH I dont need any of your special smoke thanks - cant you see I am already "high on life" :wink: :lol: :lol:

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Have to say Augie youre a miserable sod :wink: but i agree with everything youre saying

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the time to get good players in is while you are ahead,, we are top and to stay there we will need a bit more esp with the 2 cups still to come,, graham in 91 could have gone on to dominate english football but didnt improve his then squad and when he did a couple of yearsl ater it was too late for us as we were then also runs in the league with a couple of good cup runs to see us thru, and i fear that aw will go down that same route,
we all know he wont spend too big but a winger and a keeper wouldnt be breaking the bank and would have us ticking over nicely till the summer,, rvp is fcuked and tr not far behind him,, if cesc or hleb get long term injuries we are gone,, or gael and gallas the same ..
im not saying to buy for the sake of buying,, we are not spu*s,, but buy to cover the areas we have no cover in :shock:

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You're right about one thing AFC 49'er, the views on this Forum are disproportionately critical and negative - most gooners I know in the real world are far more optimistic than many debates here would have you believe.

But augie (and the other Half-Glass-Empty-ites) have a point. I may not agree with everything they say but, for example, it is still a mystery to me why we didn't sign Ribery in the summer. Wenger has paid over the odds when he's felt the need (£14m for Wiltord is the one that comes to mind), and out-bidding a failing Bayern Munich for a top quality player who had pretty much said he wanted to join us and who would have strengthened a weak area of the squad (sorry, but Rosicky doesn't cut it for me) should have been doable.

The great strength of the Arsenal side this year (a bit like the United side that was told "couldn't win the title with kids" and even last year's United side (i.e. pre-signing Tevez, Hargreaves, Anderson and Nani)) has been the team qualities. These players know each other well, play together very effectively and their skills complement one another. They are more than the sum of their parts. That's why, much as it pains me to say because I rate them both in terms of skill, the way Wenger dealt with Diarra and even our best keeper, Lehmann, is probably right.

Although I don't think we have the quality to win the Euro Cup, I really do think we could win the league this year. True, it means keeping Gallas, Ade, Cesc and Flamini fit but then United are overdependent on Ronaldo, Ferdinand and Vidic and Chelsea on Drogba, Essien and Terry. But I can definitely see where augie is coming from when he asks why we aren't strengthening BECAUSE we've done so well. I respect Wenger for not signing players with an eye only on the next few months (a la Chelsea) but we are running risks with our season that we may come to regret. Players like Anelka and Woodgate offer just a bit more security going into the most intense part of the season. Wenger's gamble may pay off (please god, I hope it does) but the question remains, should he be taking a gamble like this when we've got the cash to hand?

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augie wrote:..By the way IHH I dont need any of your special smoke thanks - cant you see I am already "high on life" :wink: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I'VE ALWAYS HAD THE FEELING THAT YOU REALLY MUST HAVE A GREAT LIFE, WITH NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT. THEREFORE, TO MAKE UP FOR THE HUGE VOID, YOU HAVE DECIDED TO TAKE IT OUT ON POOR ARSENE AND THE BOARD!! :roll: :wink: :lol: :wink:

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All you pessimists, needn't worry anymore, all your wishes have come true. Arsene Wenger is close to signing an interesting player. He said:

"He is left-footed with a good eye for the goal. He is brave and has a good, positive personality."

Slight problem though :lol:

"He is only 15-years-old of course so we need to be patient but he's a very interesting prospect. He is another one for the future."

http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?this ... g+prospect

Patience is a virtue

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Post by Red Gunner »

All you pessimists, needn't worry anymore, all your wishes have come true. Arsene Wenger is close to signing an interesting player. He said:

"He is left-footed with a good eye for the goal. He is brave and has a good, positive personality."

Slight problem though :lol:

"He is only 15-years-old of course so we need to be patient but he's a very interesting prospect. He is another one for the future."

http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?this ... g+prospect

Patience is a virtue

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Post by I Hate Hleb »

OH SHIT!!! NOW WHY DID YOU HAVE TO BRING THAT UP AGAIN FOR KHALID? :shock: :roll: :wink:

OK THEN, HELMETS ON LADS - INCOMING FIRE FROM AUGIE EXPECTED ANY TIME SOON.... :wink: :lol: :wink:

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Post by 26may1989 »

Can't believe I was nice about augie and he's said nothing about it. The fucker.

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Post by JakeN13 »

Ok so do some of you guys think we seriously should have tried to out price Cska Russian toy for Anelka? Myself I wouldn't let him come anywhere near the club again but that's just my opinion.

Anders Limpar made an exellent comment about Arsenal recentley. He said, At Liverpool & Chelsea players make the club, at Arsenal the club make the players. Now that's something to be proud of & since we're top of the league & in the last 16 of CL we got every reason to feel double proud.

Saying all this if Kaka became available and AW decided he wanted to spend a few millions...I wouldn't be crying :)

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JakeN13 wrote:Ok so do some of you guys think we seriously should have tried to out price Cska Russian toy for Anelka? Myself I wouldn't let him come anywhere near the club again but that's just my opinion...
WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM WENGERS PREVIOUS COMMENTS, IS THAT HE CONSIDERED BUYING ANELKA IN THE SUMMER BUT THEN DECIDED TO GET EDUARDO INSTEAD. HE WAS NOT AT ALL INTERESTED IN PURCHASING ANELKA DURING THE CURRENT TRANSFER WINDOW. :lol: :wink:

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