Yo are becoming more and more tedious to be honest Smooth!
I am not the only one who is tiring of you!
Childish in the way you try to make a case for your arguement by specualting that we would not have lost 5-1 to Spurs should Senderos had played! That is a kids arguement!
You also failed to answer questions asked of you by Tony etc and instead bring Hillier and Selley into a deabte about the quality of centre halves!
If you cannot accept that Senderos has a tag as a poor centre half for the factual reasons that many have given and that not everything Arsenal is great then that is stupidity if nothing else!
Sure having a laugh about tits may well be a bit immature but that is all light -hearted banter. However when it comes to having a debate about Arsenal and being objective us boob loving infants bring a strong factual arguement to the table. Whether that opinion is right or wrong is another thing but it is a lot more solid than the blinkered nonsense that you spout!
As one of the oldest members of the forum I would have thought you would have learned how to hold a decent debate by now!
However again you have proved this not to be the case!
PHIL REALLY IS THE BIG CHEESE!
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Gunnerz4life wrote:Im afraid the manager will not pick a team based on which players scares the shit out of the fans. My point was, TA had an excellent partner in Keown and they were successfull as a PARTNERSHIP, as good as any really. So there wasnt any reason to play anyone else ahead of either one of them. The same couldnt be said about Gallas and Toure as a PARTNERSHIP. Both of them prefer playing as a sweeper behind a big centreback who attacks the ball. Toure had one such player in Sol, Gallas had one such player in Terry.gus ceasar is a legend wrote:Please do not get pedantic Smooth as your arguement is weak and has also resorted to childish specualtion!TheOne2Smooth wrote:exactly my point!!!! people have forgotten the crap we had in the 90sflash gunner wrote:Sorry mate but Hillier and Selley were truly garbage even by big phils standard and that was from an era long before we had world cup winners playing for us
please read the above thread to fully understand
Also comparing the current team, squad and club as a whole with anything to do with Hillier and Selley is nonsensical!
Gunnerz4life yes thank you for backing my point up!
Yes there was Tony Adams. Martin Keown and Steve Bould! Three great centre halves in heir own right!
Not once when any of those three took the field did I worry myself shitless when the next mistake was going to be made! I also do not remember a centre forward either who held the voodoo sign over them in the same way Drogba has over Phil!
Case in point on the knowledge of centre halves!
Neither of them plays as a sweeper!
One of them takes the left and the other takes the right! As the forward moves across the pitch so the defence passes him along the line of players!
Nobody is a sweeper and infact often the deepest player is the full back who also acts as the marker for how deep the defence should go!
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no you bloody dont you bring up all the bad points oh drogba this drogba that! did you not noticed Drogba smash defenders all over the place!gus ceasar is a legend wrote:Yo are becoming more and more tedious to be honest Smooth!
I am not the only one who is tiring of you!
Childish in the way you try to make a case for your arguement by specualting that we would not have lost 5-1 to Spurs should Senderos had played! That is a kids arguement!
You also failed to answer questions asked of you by Tony etc and instead bring Hillier and Selley into a deabte about the quality of centre halves!
If you cannot accept that Senderos has a tag as a poor centre half for the factual reasons that many have given and that not everything Arsenal is great then that is stupidity if nothing else!
Sure having a laugh about tits may well be a bit immature but that is all light -hearted banter. However when it comes to having a debate about Arsenal and being objective us boob loving infants bring a strong factual arguement to the table. Whether that opinion is right or wrong is another thing but it is a lot more solid than the blinkered nonsense that you spout!
As one of the oldest members of the forum I would have thought you would have learned how to hold a decent debate by now!
However again you have proved this not to be the case!
henry raped Carragher does that make him a shit defender?
I couldnt give a fuck what you think of me to be totally honest I've never slagged you off and made a personal attack on you, Ive just made points wht I believe to be valid and true! if you think im tedious you should try reading your nonsense sometimes, Couldnt give a rats ass what you think but dont think your always right because your not.
You came on slagging senderos for leadership skills and several people have disagreed with you on this and yet all you do is try and make a point by slagging people off
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First of all the premier league had changed since TA and Keown played. Its hell of a lot more faster now. TA and Keown, both were excellent in the air, but maybe towards the end of TA's career he wasnt the fastest on the pitch. So yes that could have been more of a liability. And the proof that Gallas and Kolo arnt able to be as good a partnership by being too similar to each other lies in our lack of clean sheets this season.gus ceasar is a legend wrote:Gunnerz4life wrote:Im afraid the manager will not pick a team based on which players scares the shit out of the fans. My point was, TA had an excellent partner in Keown and they were successfull as a PARTNERSHIP, as good as any really. So there wasnt any reason to play anyone else ahead of either one of them. The same couldnt be said about Gallas and Toure as a PARTNERSHIP. Both of them prefer playing as a sweeper behind a big centreback who attacks the ball. Toure had one such player in Sol, Gallas had one such player in Terry.gus ceasar is a legend wrote:Please do not get pedantic Smooth as your arguement is weak and has also resorted to childish specualtion!TheOne2Smooth wrote:exactly my point!!!! people have forgotten the crap we had in the 90sflash gunner wrote:Sorry mate but Hillier and Selley were truly garbage even by big phils standard and that was from an era long before we had world cup winners playing for us
please read the above thread to fully understand
Also comparing the current team, squad and club as a whole with anything to do with Hillier and Selley is nonsensical!
Gunnerz4life yes thank you for backing my point up!
Yes there was Tony Adams. Martin Keown and Steve Bould! Three great centre halves in heir own right!
Not once when any of those three took the field did I worry myself shitless when the next mistake was going to be made! I also do not remember a centre forward either who held the voodoo sign over them in the same way Drogba has over Phil!
Case in point on the knowledge of centre halves!
Neither of them plays as a sweeper!
One of them takes the left and the other takes the right! As the forward moves across the pitch so the defence passes him along the line of players!
Nobody is a sweeper and infact often the deepest player is the full back who also acts as the marker for how deep the defence should go!
Since we are talking about maturity here, maybe some of you guys should take a look this http://www.arsenal-land.co.uk/forum/vie ... &sk=t&sd=a
I started off reading this thread and agreeing with smoothie in that I do believe that swiss phil is/could be a great captain. I also think we are at times over critical of phil but at the same time it cannot be denied that he has dropped some real clangers. It appears to me that his supporters will always point to his role in our champions league run while his detractors will always point to the maulings he got from dogbreath but in my opinion the truth lies somewhere in between.
I do feel though that if some wish to defend phil then they need to point to his own qualities and not just compare him to donkeys like o'shea or brown. While we would all like to think that he can develop into the next TA6 we have to be realistic in the same way that diaby will not be the next PV4 as previously advertised At a club of our size and stature we need players to be able to step in and BE READY when called upon and sadly it appears that phil needs a few games to get up to that level. We all like swiss phil and would like him to make it but I believe that he is going to come up short
I do feel though that if some wish to defend phil then they need to point to his own qualities and not just compare him to donkeys like o'shea or brown. While we would all like to think that he can develop into the next TA6 we have to be realistic in the same way that diaby will not be the next PV4 as previously advertised
At a club of our size and stature we need players to be able to step in and BE READY when called upon and sadly it appears that phil needs a few games to get up to that level. We all like swiss phil and would like him to make it but I believe that he is going to come up short-
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I do agree with you Gunnerz4life that maybe Gallas and Toure are too similar but I still do not see that as justification to include Phil ahead of either of them as Phil has half the talent!Gunnerz4life wrote:First of all the premier league had changed since TA and Keown played. Its hell of a lot more faster now. TA and Keown, both were excellent in the air, but maybe towards the end of TA's career he wasnt the fastest on the pitch. So yes that could have been more of a liability. And the proof that Gallas and Kolo arnt able to be as good a partnership by being too similar to each other lies in our lack of clean sheets this season.gus ceasar is a legend wrote:Gunnerz4life wrote:Im afraid the manager will not pick a team based on which players scares the shit out of the fans. My point was, TA had an excellent partner in Keown and they were successfull as a PARTNERSHIP, as good as any really. So there wasnt any reason to play anyone else ahead of either one of them. The same couldnt be said about Gallas and Toure as a PARTNERSHIP. Both of them prefer playing as a sweeper behind a big centreback who attacks the ball. Toure had one such player in Sol, Gallas had one such player in Terry.gus ceasar is a legend wrote:Please do not get pedantic Smooth as your arguement is weak and has also resorted to childish specualtion!TheOne2Smooth wrote: exactly my point!!!! people have forgotten the crap we had in the 90s
please read the above thread to fully understand
Also comparing the current team, squad and club as a whole with anything to do with Hillier and Selley is nonsensical!
Gunnerz4life yes thank you for backing my point up!
Yes there was Tony Adams. Martin Keown and Steve Bould! Three great centre halves in heir own right!
Not once when any of those three took the field did I worry myself shitless when the next mistake was going to be made! I also do not remember a centre forward either who held the voodoo sign over them in the same way Drogba has over Phil!
Case in point on the knowledge of centre halves!
Neither of them plays as a sweeper!
One of them takes the left and the other takes the right! As the forward moves across the pitch so the defence passes him along the line of players!
Nobody is a sweeper and infact often the deepest player is the full back who also acts as the marker for how deep the defence should go!
Since we are talking about maturity here, maybe some of you guys should take a look this http://www.arsenal-land.co.uk/forum/vie ... &sk=t&sd=a
Who knows in the coming years Phil may add qualities to his game that makes him a more complete centre half such as improving his concentration and distribution. Let's be honest though he is never going to get and quicker than he is now and his sluggishness gets him into trouble time and again!
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Is that confirmation that Senderos is indeed a pussy?donaldo wrote:Senderos has not been the same player since Drogba ate him out ...
Trust me, they were that bad that I couldn't forget those two if I lived to be 200 years old!!TheOne2Smooth wrote:exactly right Gunnerz4life
People forget the Selleys and the Hilliers of the early 90's
Oh, and Augie - stop being so bloody reasonable!!!
We're just not used to it and I'm not sure whether to take you seriously or not now!! 
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The problem about Senderos is that he was great in the Highbury days. You've got to admit that he was great for us during our run to the Champions League final. He has it in him but he is making loads of mistakes. Also, I think it is crazy to suggest that Senderos should be a regular while Gallas or Toure is benched; that'd make us worse because Kolo or William won't sit on the bench and would leave, leaving us with Song and Djorou as our back-up centre-defenders. I feel much more comfortable when Gallas-Toure play rather than Senderos who is a mistake waiting to happen.
Fuck me what happened? I left here at 12 o'clock lunchtime and arrive back this evening to see that Phil The Big Swiss Cheese can still pull the crowds, 70 posts in one afternoon
Gus In answer to your question, no I am not suprised that PTBSC has been made national captain. This is because Switzerland are hardly a power house of international football and therefore big fish small pond scenario springs to mind.
As for his performances for Arsenal in recents weeks, yes he has made a huge improvement, but he could hardly get any worse and many base improvement on not having made a calamitous fuck up, hardly grounds for being compared to TA6.
As previously mentioned, the problem with PTBSC is that he needs to many games to find form, we need our fringe players to hit the ground running.
PTBSC will need to show consistency for a lot longer to fully win me over.
Gus In answer to your question, no I am not suprised that PTBSC has been made national captain. This is because Switzerland are hardly a power house of international football and therefore big fish small pond scenario springs to mind.
As for his performances for Arsenal in recents weeks, yes he has made a huge improvement, but he could hardly get any worse and many base improvement on not having made a calamitous fuck up, hardly grounds for being compared to TA6.
As previously mentioned, the problem with PTBSC is that he needs to many games to find form, we need our fringe players to hit the ground running.
PTBSC will need to show consistency for a lot longer to fully win me over.
