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The very fact that Wenger refuses to use Giroud and Podolski in a manner that would utilise their obvious strengths is one of the reasons he must go.
Giroud was quiet and ineffective against West Brom but as I and others have said he is NOT a lone striker, doesn't have the pace or finish required. He ain't a world beater but he has strengths, works hard, is brave, often links up well and is good in the air - so Wenger employs a system that plays to not one of those strengths but still plays him. Fucking ludicrous. If we have the guy why not use him to his best?
Play 4-4-2 and fit the system and the style to the strengths of the players available. It's fucking simple stuff that most coaches of kids' teams can get right but Wenger can't.
DB10GOONER wrote:The very fact that Wenger refuses to use Giroud and Podolski in a manner that would utilise their obvious strengths is one of the reasons he must go.
Giroud was quiet and ineffective against West Brom but as I and others have said he is NOT a lone striker, doesn't have the pace or finish required. He ain't a world beater but he has strengths, works hard, is brave, often links up well and is good in the air - so Wenger employs a system that plays to not one of those strengths but still plays him. Fucking ludicrous. If we have the guy why not use him to his best?
Play 4-4-2 and fit the system and the style to the strengths of the players available. It's fucking simple stuff that most coaches of kids' teams can get right but Wenger can't.
Glad your back from your little holiday in Whoville mate
I agree with your post in part about the 4 4 2 but I think that we would concede more goals if we went with that shape away from home.
DB10GOONER wrote:The very fact that Wenger refuses to use Giroud and Podolski in a manner that would utilise their obvious strengths is one of the reasons he must go.
Giroud was quiet and ineffective against West Brom but as I and others have said he is NOT a lone striker, doesn't have the pace or finish required. He ain't a world beater but he has strengths, works hard, is brave, often links up well and is good in the air - so Wenger employs a system that plays to not one of those strengths but still plays him. Fucking ludicrous. If we have the guy why not use him to his best?
Play 4-4-2 and fit the system and the style to the strengths of the players available. It's fucking simple stuff that most coaches of kids' teams can get right but Wenger can't.
Glad your back from your little holiday in Whoville mate
I agree with your post in part about the 4 4 2 but I think that we would concede more goals if we went with that shape away from home.
Hi mate - good to be back!
Agreed it's risky away from home, so my thinking would be a good manager would be pragmatic about it and adapt accordingly. Away at a seriously struggling Villa or Reading? Fuck yeah 4-4-2 and give it to them! But away at an on-fire Manure or Citeh? Then reign the horses in and switch to Plan B. Something we don't do under Wenger. It's either tippy tappy Barca-Lite or... erm... tippy tappy Barca-Lite! More reasons why Arsene should be replaced.
DB10GOONER wrote:The very fact that Wenger refuses to use Giroud and Podolski in a manner that would utilise their obvious strengths is one of the reasons he must go.
Giroud was quiet and ineffective against West Brom but as I and others have said he is NOT a lone striker, doesn't have the pace or finish required. He ain't a world beater but he has strengths, works hard, is brave, often links up well and is good in the air - so Wenger employs a system that plays to not one of those strengths but still plays him. Fucking ludicrous. If we have the guy why not use him to his best?
Play 4-4-2 and fit the system and the style to the strengths of the players available. It's fucking simple stuff that most coaches of kids' teams can get right but Wenger can't.
Glad your back from your little holiday in Whoville mate
I agree with your post in part about the 4 4 2 but I think that we would concede more goals if we went with that shape away from home.
Hi mate - good to be back!
Agreed it's risky away from home, so my thinking would be a good manager would be pragmatic about it and adapt accordingly. Away at a seriously struggling Villa or Reading? Fuck yeah 4-4-2 and give it to them! But away at an on-fire Manure or Citeh? Then reign the horses in and switch to Plan B. Something we don't do under Wenger. It's either tippy tappy Barca-Lite or... erm... tippy tappy Barca-Lite! More reasons why Arsene should be replaced.
Glad you've clarified that
Agree with all of that
What we do need though is a world class forward to make the 4 4 2 work against the top teams.......similar to the one we just sold would be nice
DB10GOONER wrote:The very fact that Wenger refuses to use Giroud and Podolski in a manner that would utilise their obvious strengths is one of the reasons he must go.
Giroud was quiet and ineffective against West Brom but as I and others have said he is NOT a lone striker, doesn't have the pace or finish required. He ain't a world beater but he has strengths, works hard, is brave, often links up well and is good in the air - so Wenger employs a system that plays to not one of those strengths but still plays him. Fucking ludicrous. If we have the guy why not use him to his best?
Play 4-4-2 and fit the system and the style to the strengths of the players available. It's fucking simple stuff that most coaches of kids' teams can get right but Wenger can't.
Glad your back from your little holiday in Whoville mate
I agree with your post in part about the 4 4 2 but I think that we would concede more goals if we went with that shape away from home.
Hi mate - good to be back!
Agreed it's risky away from home, so my thinking would be a good manager would be pragmatic about it and adapt accordingly. Away at a seriously struggling Villa or Reading? Fuck yeah 4-4-2 and give it to them! But away at an on-fire Manure or Citeh? Then reign the horses in and switch to Plan B. Something we don't do under Wenger. It's either tippy tappy Barca-Lite or... erm... tippy tappy Barca-Lite! More reasons why Arsene should be replaced.
Glad you've clarified that
Agree with all of that
What we do need though is a world class forward to make the 4 4 2 work against the top teams.......similar to the one we just sold would be nice
Absolutely. I have no illusions about Giroud, he isn't top class, but he can be effective if used correctly, like most squad players. I just firmly believe if he had a good finisher to play off him (like Podolski) in a 4-4-2 we'd see him be a far more effective player. Also if we had even one player (apart from Jenko) that could actually cross a decent ball in it would help too!
TBH I'm still shocked and horrified by the fact that Arsene agreed to sell VanJudas to the Filth. The Red Nosed Alchy would never have, if the roles were reversed.
DB10GOONER wrote:TBH I'm still shocked and horrified by the fact that Arsene agreed to sell VanJudas to the Filth. The Red Nosed Alchy would never have, if the roles were reversed.
what else was on the table?
keeping him for a year and then seeing him go on a free was not really an option...
DB10GOONER wrote:TBH I'm still shocked and horrified by the fact that Arsene agreed to sell VanJudas to the Filth. The Red Nosed Alchy would never have, if the roles were reversed.
what else was on the table?
keeping him for a year and then seeing him go on a free was not really an option...
I don't think keeping him was realistic. What really sticks in the craw about him imo was the pathetic Twitter/website statement, he knew basically by slagging the club and his fellow players off, we'd have to sell him. Even if there was truth to much of what he was saying, he was doing it completely out of self-interest and just playing on fans' emotions to try and buy an easy ride. And if you look at many of the comments on here it's worked to a degree.
We should never have sold him to United just because Fergie personally called though. Pathetic. Should have sat him down and said right, we will sell you to any club abroad, don't care if we only get half the money but I would rather see my family raped and mutilated than sell you to the scum. Might have got a bit ugly if he dug his heels in etc but would have shown a damn sight more honour and courage than being Fergie's whore.
DB10GOONER wrote:TBH I'm still shocked and horrified by the fact that Arsene agreed to sell VanJudas to the Filth. The Red Nosed Alchy would never have, if the roles were reversed.
what else was on the table?
keeping him for a year and then seeing him go on a free was not really an option...
I don't know, perhaps listening to some of his concerns regarding the strength of the team/squad and the need for better coaching might have helped. Mind you, Arsene has a history of dismissing his main players/captains concerns when you think he is alleged to have done similar with Vieira, Henry and then Cesc when they bought up similar issues. I certainly don't believe RVP leaving was all about the money, unlike with say Nasri.
DB10GOONER wrote:TBH I'm still shocked and horrified by the fact that Arsene agreed to sell VanJudas to the Filth. The Red Nosed Alchy would never have, if the roles were reversed.
what else was on the table?
keeping him for a year and then seeing him go on a free was not really an option...
I don't think keeping him was realistic. What really sticks in the craw about him imo was the pathetic Twitter/website statement, he knew basically by slagging the club and his fellow players off, we'd have to sell him. Even if there was truth to much of what he was saying, he was doing it completely out of self-interest and just playing on fans' emotions to try and buy an easy ride. And if you look at many of the comments on here it's worked to a degree.
We should never have sold him to United just because Fergie personally called though. Pathetic. Should have sat him down and said right, we will sell you to any club abroad, don't care if we only get half the money but I would rather see my family raped and mutilated than sell you to the scum. Might have got a bit ugly if he dug his heels in etc but would have shown a damn sight more honour and courage than being Fergie's whore.
In principle yes but hearing that would Juve (or whoever) just offer a pittance?
DB10GOONER wrote:TBH I'm still shocked and horrified by the fact that Arsene agreed to sell VanJudas to the Filth. The Red Nosed Alchy would never have, if the roles were reversed.
what else was on the table?
keeping him for a year and then seeing him go on a free was not really an option...
I don't think keeping him was realistic. What really sticks in the craw about him imo was the pathetic Twitter/website statement, he knew basically by slagging the club and his fellow players off, we'd have to sell him. Even if there was truth to much of what he was saying, he was doing it completely out of self-interest and just playing on fans' emotions to try and buy an easy ride. And if you look at many of the comments on here it's worked to a degree.
We should never have sold him to United just because Fergie personally called though. Pathetic. Should have sat him down and said right, we will sell you to any club abroad, don't care if we only get half the money but I would rather see my family raped and mutilated than sell you to the scum. Might have got a bit ugly if he dug his heels in etc but would have shown a damn sight more honour and courage than being Fergie's whore.
Agree with pretty much every word.
I don't care what van Persie wanted - bottom line was he had a contract for another year. He had no right to come out with that fucking statement.
DB10GOONER wrote:TBH I'm still shocked and horrified by the fact that Arsene agreed to sell VanJudas to the Filth. The Red Nosed Alchy would never have, if the roles were reversed.
what else was on the table?
keeping him for a year and then seeing him go on a free was not really an option...
I don't think keeping him was realistic. What really sticks in the craw about him imo was the pathetic Twitter/website statement, he knew basically by slagging the club and his fellow players off, we'd have to sell him. Even if there was truth to much of what he was saying, he was doing it completely out of self-interest and just playing on fans' emotions to try and buy an easy ride. And if you look at many of the comments on here it's worked to a degree.
We should never have sold him to United just because Fergie personally called though. Pathetic. Should have sat him down and said right, we will sell you to any club abroad, don't care if we only get half the money but I would rather see my family raped and mutilated than sell you to the scum. Might have got a bit ugly if he dug his heels in etc but would have shown a damn sight more honour and courage than being Fergie's whore.
In principle yes but hearing that would Juve (or whoever) just offer a pittance?
I don't think it needed to be played out in the public domain really so not sure Juve would have been able to hold us over a barrel. It was a complete lack of class on his behalf to release the statement but the decision had obviously been made at his coffee date and we had just buried our heads in the sand for the next 2 months. Had we turned round before he went to the Euros when he said he wanted to leave and told him he had to go abroad or he wasn't going it would certainly have given him some food for thought and re-evaluate the situation. I'm sure Juve or whoever would still have been willing to part with £15-18m for him, and I would gladly have taken that over £24m from United.
The difficulty really is distinguishing what is a realistic possibility with the club. In an ideal world we wouldn't have let it get to the situation where he wanted to leave in the first place - but the club was never going to commit to the ambition he wanted us to show. Equally my approach was never going to happen because all the board could see would be £6-9m down the drain. The situation could play out 100 times and the club would never contemplate taking another approach.
northbank123 wrote:I'm sure Juve or whoever would still have been willing to part with £15-18m for him, and I would gladly have taken that over £24m from United.
me too, not sure it was out there though... The Italians are hardly flush with cash.
another shit performance against norwich,i couldnt care less if he won us the penalty or got bassong to og or even got a touch for the third,he did fark all for the rest of the match,ok his little contribution had a massive impact but are we gonna rely on a striker who does nothing but make the opposition make a mistake or two,against the likes of city,utd or chavski they arent gonna make mistakes.the opposition must love paying against him as he offers very little.if you cant run the likes of norwich ragged then theres not much hope.Pod comes on today for half hour and looks rusty but still more dangerous the giroud and contributed with a goal,once again showing that he is our most natrual finisher,Wenker you are a *word censored* and Giroud you are not good enough.POD TO START UP FRONT FFS!
Top Londoner wrote:Aaaah, but does Smudger look quite like this?
Tweeted by Arsenal Gentleman.
maybe thats another tactic he could use,just stand there naked and destract the opposition enough for us to score,if hes shoite at everything else at least he might actually be effective at that
Mind you, Arsene has a history of dismissing his main players/captains concerns when you think he is alleged to have done similar with Vieira, Henry and then Cesc when they bought up similar issues. I certainly don't believe RVP leaving was all about the money, unlike with say Nasri.
