Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[Retro Gunner]

He won't be sacked and it would never surprise me if they did announce an extension to his contract.

The issue that gets largely overlooked is that keeping the sub optimal "nearly man" in place, will see us losing Saka, Saliba, Gabriel and probably Nwaneri (who may well ask to go if he's getting no game time, regardless of wanting to play for a side that properly competes) and MLS.

For Saliba and Saka, I think this season might be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Any one with half an idea knows that Arteta is not winning the big prizes and the top players will realise that.

If I were one of the big sides, I'd already have my agents circling like vultures and discretely tapping up.

[Sid33]

His comments about "the best team" being out of the clge, were embarrassing so reminiscent of wenker.
If we were the best team in the clge, then surely that makes him all the more culpable!

[DB10GOONER]

His comments about "the best team" being out of the clge, were embarrassing so reminiscent of wenker.
If we were the best team in the clge, then surely that makes him all the more culpable!

Completely agree sid, he is puking out Wenger Mk2 cringe comments. Just complete fucking nonsense. The team that wins it is the best team ffs.

[Arsenal Till I Die]

He's a heartbeat away from asking reports why they look at him.

[Nick89]

I'd see what players come in during the summer to improve this shambolic squad. (Probably deadline day "bargains") Then I'd assess him in January. If we're floundering I'd boot him then.

[Retro Gunner]

I'd see what players come in during the summer to improve this shambolic squad. (Probably deadline day "bargains") Then I'd assess him in January. If we're floundering I'd boot him then.

The trouble with that Nick, is that it's entering yet another season being prepared to write it off if things don't improve. We've been doing that since 2006. Arteta has had 5 1/2 years and almost 800 million to spend, yet everybody on here, in the media and on social media is talking about needing to spend big and improve a minimum of 4 positions. The question needs to be asked how that is the situation given all that time and money he's had? Would that encourage you to risk giving him millions more and writing the season off (again) if it doesn't work out?

Arsenal fans have somehow allowed themselves to be gaslit into believing that success is just around the corner ("we're on the cusp" ), when all the evidence over years on end, have proved otherwise. No "big club" behaves that way and is prepared to write off a whole season well before it's begun. There are no guarantees, but to be afraid to make a change when all the evidence shows we're stagnating, or indeed regressing, is not only cowardly, but it's logically wrong.

Arteta and this team peaked last season and once a slide begins a correction almost never occurs. Think Brendan Rogers at Liverpool. They didn't fuck about, they got shot of him and they're not a club with the Chelsea and Utd mentality of hiring and firing. They simply don't stand on ceremony when a tough decision needs making...and interestingly, neither do their supporters.

I know it's not going to happen, but he needs to go now.

[DB10GOONER]

Ancelotti is free to take over

Tbh I'd take Ancelotti or Simeone in a heartbeat tomorrow morning to replace Temu Pep.

I often wonder what we might have won if Ancelotti had come to us in 2018 or 2019, rather than to Everton. I honestly reckon we'd have won at two or three PL titles, a couple of FA Cups and at least one CL (particularly if he had been backed to the tune of 800million like ArsenTeta has been!)

[Bob Bayliss]

Carragher is generously suggesting he is given another year. It's a bit like when the rival fans used to sing "Arsene Wenger we want you to stay".

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... eign-over/

[IW8Goalmachine]

The only way now is for the home support to make it hard for him to stay and that won't happen.

He's here for a long time.

I'd prefer Wenger.

[Gunner Rob]

5th consecutive year of failure

His legacy will be that he is a serial loser.
He is to Arsenal what Pocchetino was to Spurs.

Arrogant, deluded idiot. GO NOW !

[xgtdec]

""We [the current Arsenal squad] are there," he said. "With the amount of points we generated over the last few seasons, we could have two Premier Leagues.

"We're not close, we are there. We are providing the numbers that win you titles. We have to be a little bit luckier, do better and hope nobody does better than you.""

Its utterly cringe and embarrassing, someone at the club take the mic away from this absolute clown.

[Arsenal Till I Die]

Arsenal have won NONE of their last eight semi-finals. Losing six and drawing two. Scoring two goals and conceding eleven.

Europa League (2020/21) -

Villarreal -

Home: 0-0
Away: 2-1

League Cup (2021/22) -

Liverpool -

Home: 0-0
Away: 2-0

League Cup (2024/25) -

Newcastle -

Home: 0-2
Away: 2-0

Champions League (2024/25)-

PSG -

Home: 0-1
Away: 2-1

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Arteta has had enough time and money and has failed. Let’s actually get someone in who can get us over the line.

[Retro Gunner]

""We [the current Arsenal squad] are there," he said. "With the amount of points we generated over the last few seasons, we could have two Premier Leagues.

"We're not close, we are there. We are providing the numbers that win you titles. We have to be a little bit luckier, do better and hope nobody does better than you.""

Its utterly cringe and embarrassing, someone at the club take the mic away from this absolute clown.

Mkll really is Mkll. He's completely morphing into Uncle Arsene.

If we end up on 70 points this season, as I expect, then we'll be 14 points behind the 2022/23 season and 19 points behind last season and in my opinion, the quality of the PL has been worse this season. So, the question to Arteta should be, why have we regressed so badly this term? He and his team aren't "there", they're way off the pace of the European big boys.

I can't see City, Chelsea and even Newcastle failing to improve next season and there's usually a surprise package that appears, just as Forest did this season. It doesn't matter what he spends, he peaked last season and came up short. It won't improve from here. The club would be bonkers to let him spend this summer.

The owners should be looking for a replacement now and giving Legohead the bullet after the final ball is kicked against Southampton.

[Retro Gunner]

Arsenal have won NONE of their last eight semi-finals. Losing six and drawing two. Scoring two goals and conceding eleven.

Europa League (2020/21) -

Villarreal -

Home: 0-0
Away: 2-1

League Cup (2021/22) -

Liverpool -

Home: 0-0
Away: 2-0

League Cup (2024/25) -

Newcastle -

Home: 0-2
Away: 2-0

Champions League (2024/25)-

PSG -

Home: 0-1
Away: 2-1

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Arteta has had enough time and money and has failed. Let’s actually get someone in who can get us over the line.

Ouch!!

[Retro Gunner]

Ancelotti is free to take over

Tbh I'd take Ancelotti or Simeone in a heartbeat tomorrow morning to replace Temu Pep.

I often wonder what we might have won if Ancelotti had come to us in 2018 or 2019, rather than to Everton. I honestly reckon we'd have won at two or three PL titles, a couple of FA Cups and at least one CL (particularly if he had been backed to the tune of 800million like ArsenTeta has been!)

I wanted us to get shot of the Old Fraud and snap up Ancelotti in 2011, when the chavs stupidly sacked him. Never mind, we still had 7 more years of special circumstances, accidents and the handbrake on, to enjoy with the French clown at the helm. Overall, quite a mistake.