Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[Perryashburtongroves]

@David_Ornstein via @TheAthleticFC:

Although there is the sense of external pressure building on Mikel Arteta to deliver this is not replicated internally as they are very satisfied with the progress he’s brought.

We've been down this road before. Contract extension regardless of what happens this season. No excuses now. He has to win the league.

Why does he ?

The club and the vast majority of the fans who attend matches are fully behind Arteta.

*i think he should be sacked but he won’t be for the foreseeable future

The time in the role, the money spent on players, the almost constant messages for the last three seasons about being very close to winning the league, the fact that he's now got the one role filled that we were lead to believe was holing us back and the relative lack of quality in the rest of the league. I don't think he will be gone if we don't win the league but in order for it not to end up even more like the 2008-18 years, we need to see the club demanding success and not indulging the 'We gave it a go' mentality. I've reached the stage where if he doesn't win it this coming season, he never will.

[OneBardGooner]

@David_Ornstein via @TheAthleticFC:

Although there is the sense of external pressure building on Mikel Arteta to deliver this is not replicated internally as they are very satisfied with the progress he’s brought.

We've been down this road before. Contract extension regardless of what happens this season. No excuses now. He has to win the league.

Why does he ?

The club and the vast majority of the fans who attend matches are fully behind Arteta.

*i think he should be sacked but he won’t be for the foreseeable future

The time in the role, the money spent on players, the almost constant messages for the last three seasons about being very close to winning the league, the fact that he's now got the one role filled that we were lead to believe was holing us back and the relative lack of quality in the rest of the league. I don't think he will be gone if we don't win the league but in order for it not to end up even more like the 2008-18 years, we need to see the club demanding success and not indulging the 'We gave it a go' mentality. I've reached the stage where if he doesn't win it this coming season, he never will.

^^^This 1,000%^^^

[shu]

but hang on , we have moved on but so have Liverpool .If we finish second to them and especially if you buy Isak you cant put this season on Arteta , you have to be realistic but if we sign Eze then we will pretty much have the squad we wanted .

Look i think Arteta fucked up last season never having a credible plan B when that winker Sesko turned us down (i hope that crunt flops) but that is in the past.

[OneBardGooner]

but hang on , we have moved on but so have Liverpool .If we finish second to them and especially if you buy Isak you cant put this season on Arteta , you have to be realistic but if we sign Eze then we will pretty much have the squad we wanted .

Look i think Arteta fucked up last season never having a credible plan B when that winker Sesko turned us down (i hope that crunt flops) but that is in the past.

Yes, but Shu... Arteta does Not have a "Plan B".... Just like his In-Game Tactics (He doesn't have a Scooby... and for me besides Utter Fuck-Ups by players like Clive (against the ScouseFilth who we were steam rolling 2 - Nil at theirs) Arteta's Inability to change his game plan and what & how the team are playing a particular opponent won't change. He "knew" 100% that we needed a striker and what did he do? He Bought Havertz; who although he can be affective up-front is NO Striker... We had our chance 2 seasons ago to win the title... and because of his Stubbornness and Lack of Experience we Blew it!

And even if we do get Eze; who for me is a Game Changer (though mantis would disagree ) and if Gyokeres, Zubimendi and the rest do work out, it is because of his flaws as a Manager that I am not confident of us pulling it off this season.... I would Dearly LOVE to be proven Wrong...and would happily say 'Yes He was Right I was Wrong' ... But his track record of in-game management or rather lack of it and how he persists in selecting players who are obviously his favourites; (Odegaard & Havertz ) when they are out of form or whatever...

To be a successful manager you have to be "Ruthless" and he is not Ruthless Enough. I wish it weren't true.

[augie]

but hang on , we have moved on but so have Liverpool .If we finish second to them and especially if you buy Isak you cant put this season on Arteta , you have to be realistic but if we sign Eze then we will pretty much have the squad we wanted .

Look i think Arteta fucked up last season never having a credible plan B when that winker Sesko turned us down (i hope that crunt flops) but that is in the past.

It's not that black and white though is it ? If he stays loyal to captain coward and he does another disappearing act, then wont that be on the cone boy ? If we drop points cos of mistakes stemming from a keeper fannying around on the ball thinking he is pele, then isnt that on the cone boy ? If he gives the chav reject a load of game time to try and play himself into "form" without success, then isnt that on the cone boy too ?

I still 100% believe that this inept fool could be put in charge of the greatest teams in football history and still not win the big prizes cos he simply does not know how - he was a mid level club as a player himself, so he does not know what it takes to win the big prizes, and doesnt have any appreciation or awareness of the x factor traits winning players possess like personality and willingness to bend rules to achieve the ultimate goals, because he himself never had them or never witnessed them in any team he played in

[the playing mantis]

but hang on , we have moved on but so have Liverpool .If we finish second to them and especially if you buy Isak you cant put this season on Arteta , you have to be realistic but if we sign Eze then we will pretty much have the squad we wanted .

Look i think Arteta fucked up last season never having a credible plan B when that winker Sesko turned us down (i hope that crunt flops) but that is in the past.

Yes, but Shu... Arteta does Not have a "Plan B".... Just like his In-Game Tactics (He doesn't have a Scooby... and for me besides Utter Fuck-Ups by players like Clive (against the ScouseFilth who we were steam rolling 2 - Nil at theirs) Arteta's Inability to change his game plan and what & how the team are playing a particular opponent won't change. He "knew" 100% that we needed a striker and what did he do? He Bought Havertz; who although he can be affective up-front is NO Striker... We had our chance 2 seasons ago to win the title... and because of his Stubbornness and Lack of Experience we Blew it!

And even if we do get Eze; who for me is a Game Changer (though mantis would disagree ) and if Gyokeres, Zubimendi and the rest do work out, it is because of his flaws as a Manager that I am not confident of us pulling it off this season.... I would Dearly LOVE to be proven Wrong...and would happily say 'Yes He was Right I was Wrong' ... But his track record of in-game management or rather lack of it and how he persists in selecting players who are obviously his favourites; (Odegaard & Havertz ) when they are out of form or whatever...

To be a successful manager you have to be "Ruthless" and he is not Ruthless Enough. I wish it weren't true.

He would be a welcome addition OBG if he replaces captain coward but we all k ow he won't and would be shoehorned in on the left which is a waste of time as he's not very effective on the left