The way to get their attention

[highburyJD]

in the league we are doing better than every single team
except united (if we win our game in hand we are level with them)
protesting achieving this on the cheap would make us a laughing stock

[Henry Norris 1913]

Herd.............Your post wasn't aimed at me but what i would say is, if you think the same, then support it properly instead of posting snidey e-mails, cos that makes you as bad as those you speak against.

I don't know you or you me but i'm no tarquin, (far from it) am old school and like you want the best for our club but we must do something surely.................

Dave if thats the Sparksy I know, I wasnt popping u but Jayson who is indeed a Tarquin .

I dont support them or their efforts I think the majority of them are plums and am highly surprised if its really you mate since Ive known you since u was very young !

you do realise the lads on the herd forum agree with us on this? stop embarassing youreself.

[n6gooner]

Herd.............Your post wasn't aimed at me but what i would say is, if you think the same, then support it properly instead of posting snidey e-mails, cos that makes you as bad as those you speak against.

I don't know you or you me but i'm no tarquin, (far from it) am old school and like you want the best for our club but we must do something surely.................

Dave if thats the Sparksy I know, I wasnt popping u but Jayson who is indeed a Tarquin .

I dont support them or their efforts I think the majority of them are plums and am highly surprised if its really you mate since Ive known you since u was very young !

not that sparks.........i thought it might be yesterday

[Henry Norris 1913]

(1) we moved from Highbury to the Bowl so we could compete with Chavs and alike - well we have actually spent less money under Wenger at the Bowl than when he was at Highbury about 6 season each


(2) Wenger gets paid a shit load of money to manage make decisions, all i hear from him is excuses moaning at refs etc, he never did that when he first come here, can you imagine him now offering a replay like he did against Shef United


(3) If wenger is so bright why the hell does he reward failure, giving the likes of Rosicky a pay rise and a new four year contract, Denilson, diary the list goes on


(4) Why reward failure , in business and in life you need to be hungry to succeed yet his players look like to me they have nothing to prove therefore not hungry


(5) Why do we now not wear suits to finals, all wear the same shirts, clap the fans at away matches, all things Wenger has let slip which used to give us the class tag we deserved

what about then?

[mikeyb772001]

in the league we are doing better than every single team
except united (if we win our game in hand we are level with them)
protesting achieving this on the cheap would make us a laughing stock

Can you fucking read?

We are not protesting yet, this is for when he collapse in another humiliating season. We are getting prepared early.

Nothing has been planned, the aims haven’t even been set. We are starting this group for the future so we can express how unhappy we are with the lack of investment.

Before you say it, we don’t want to spend fuck loads of cash. We are talking about 30-40 on fresh signings. Hardly breaking the bank considering Wenger is on 115k a week I think we can afford that. We also have the option of selling the shower of fuckign shit we have at the club

The mockers may laugh now, but when we end up winning nothing again and people like Cesc and Nasri request to leave. Do you think Wenger will replace with players as good or draft in youth players?

We need groups like this for this very example. If we can get big enough, maybe just maybe if we show we are that disgusted it might force the club to actually invest at last.

[clockendal]

(1) we moved from Highbury to the Bowl so we could compete with Chavs and alike - well we have actually spent less money under Wenger at the Bowl than when he was at Highbury about 6 season each


(2) Wenger gets paid a shit load of money to manage make decisions, all i hear from him is excuses moaning at refs etc, he never did that when he first come here, can you imagine him now offering a replay like he did against Shef United


(3) If wenger is so bright why the hell does he reward failure, giving the likes of Rosicky a pay rise and a new four year contract, Denilson, diary the list goes on


(4) Why reward failure , in business and in life you need to be hungry to succeed yet his players look like to me they have nothing to prove therefore not hungry


(5) Why do we now not wear suits to finals, all wear the same shirts, clap the fans at away matches, all things Wenger has let slip which used to give us the class tag we deserved

what about then?

1) I think to be fair, the financial goal posts moved with the economic crisis in 2008, the housing market collapse and the influence of the likes of Man City. I think this had a big effect on the clubs policy and strategy in terms of spending

2) I think all managers do this. I think AW did this anyway. The game against Sheffiedl United is a complete one-off. It's not like he did it every week did he ? And it was against a Div 1 side. Would he have done that against man u ?

3) By failure, do you mean constantly finishing in the top 4 ? Yes you and I know we both want to WIN things, but it's hardly failure is it ? Just look how much money Man City have spent JUST TO MAKE THE TOP 4. Look how Spurs are lapping it up ? I agree it's not winning trophies, but I don't think it can be called failure.

4) I would agree it does look like that, but to be honest I think that's a lot to do with the modern day footballer, not just Arsenal players. They might be failure, lazy, crap attitude etc, but somehow there 2nd in the league, what does that say for the players in the other sides below us ?

5) I would agree with this, but again I would say it's also a lot to do with the modern day footballer. I 100% agree the players should wear suits to cup finals. With regards to the away fans, once again I 100% agree with you, though there are many on here who do not beleive that it is important.

I rememeber at Highbury the players used to line up and applaud all 4 sides of the stadium, it slowly became some shit high 5 hugging slapping exercise in the centre cirlce.

I agree with a lot of your gripes, and feel the same on many of them. The problem I think though, is that a lot of this is related to modern football, and not just Arsenal.

[mikeyb772001]

Its amazing that some gooners think finishing in top 4 is successful

You are brain washed by wenger I am sure.

But if that’s what you enjoy go ahead. Jesus are we spurs????

[clockendal]

Its amazing that some gooners think finishing in top 4 is successful

You are brain washed by wenger I am sure.

But if that’s what you enjoy go ahead. Jesus are we spurs????

No mate, I am not brainwashed by anyone.

People have different opinions, and to be honest it's getting pretty fucking annoying when anyone who does not want to call Wenger a *word censored*. the board *word censored*, denilson a *word censored*, diaby a *word censored*, arshavin a *word censored* is deluded a sheep must be fucking mad. I have been going to Arsenal over 20 years, I have had a season ticket since 95, I fcuking love Arsenal it has been my life for so long and has played a part emotionally in real life situation. Please stop digging out people because they don't see it the same as you.

Let's try this again. Man City. How much have they spent JUST TO GET IN THE TOP 4. In the modern game being in the Champions League IS an acheivement.

Put it this way, if we had won the carling cup and fa cup every year for the past 10 years, but not qualified for the cl would you be happy?

[Henry Norris 1913]

Its amazing that some gooners think finishing in top 4 is successful

You are brain washed by wenger I am sure.

But if that’s what you enjoy go ahead. Jesus are we spurs????

No mate, I am not brainwashed by anyone.

People have different opinions, and to be honest it's getting pretty fucking annoying when anyone who does not want to call Wenger a c**t. the board c**ts, denilson a c**t, diaby a c**t, arshavin a c**t is deluded a sheep must be fucking mad. I have been going to Arsenal over 20 years, I have had a season ticket since 95, I fcuking love Arsenal it has been my life for so long and has played a part emotionally in real life situation. Please stop digging out people because they don't see it the same as you.

Let's try this again. Man City. How much have they spent JUST TO GET IN THE TOP 4. In the modern game being in the Champions League IS an acheivement. Put it this way, if we had won the carling cup and fa cup every year for the past 10 years, but not qualified for the cl would you be happy?

I bet you they still win something before us.

We aren't man citeh anyway. Imagine 7 years ago comparing ourselves to man city. At least they're showing ambition and building a side! The fact is we don't know for sure weather we have the money to challenge for the title and we never will. Thats partly what this protest is about.

[mikeyb772001]

Its amazing that some gooners think finishing in top 4 is successful

You are brain washed by wenger I am sure.

But if that’s what you enjoy go ahead. Jesus are we spurs????

No mate, I am not brainwashed by anyone.

People have different opinions, and to be honest it's getting pretty fucking annoying when anyone who does not want to call Wenger a c**t. the board c**ts, denilson a c**t, diaby a c**t, arshavin a c**t is deluded a sheep must be fucking mad. I have been going to Arsenal over 20 years, I have had a season ticket since 95, I fcuking love Arsenal it has been my life for so long and has played a part emotionally in real life situation. Please stop digging out people because they don't see it the same as you.

Let's try this again. Man City. How much have they spent JUST TO GET IN THE TOP 4. In the modern game being in the Champions League IS an acheivement.

Put it this way, if we had won the carling cup and fa cup every year for the past 10 years, but not qualified for the cl would you be happy?

I don’t care about Man Citeh, they are a little club and top 4 for them is massive.


So if we can nearly win the league every year without spending, why don’t we spend???

As I said if your happy with having no ambition and losing then fill your boots.

Is the Chairman said winning is important to us but not the main goal.

Maybe I am the mad one for not sharing the views, you, wenger and the board have.

yes i would be slightly more happy as the CL is the devils cup, it only means money and is the reason we only push to get in top 4!
If it wasnt for the CL we would of won the leauge many times in the last few years.

[clockendal]

Its amazing that some gooners think finishing in top 4 is successful

You are brain washed by wenger I am sure.

But if that’s what you enjoy go ahead. Jesus are we spurs????

No mate, I am not brainwashed by anyone.

People have different opinions, and to be honest it's getting pretty fucking annoying when anyone who does not want to call Wenger a c**t. the board c**ts, denilson a c**t, diaby a c**t, arshavin a c**t is deluded a sheep must be fucking mad. I have been going to Arsenal over 20 years, I have had a season ticket since 95, I fcuking love Arsenal it has been my life for so long and has played a part emotionally in real life situation. Please stop digging out people because they don't see it the same as you.

Let's try this again. Man City. How much have they spent JUST TO GET IN THE TOP 4. In the modern game being in the Champions League IS an acheivement. Put it this way, if we had won the carling cup and fa cup every year for the past 10 years, but not qualified for the cl would you be happy?

I bet you they still win something before us.

We aren't man citeh anyway. Imagine 7 years ago comparing ourselves to man city. At least they're showing ambition and building a side! The fact is we don't know for sure weather we have the money to challenge for the title and we never will. Thats partly what this protest is about.

I agree, comparing us to Man City 7 years ago would've been pointless. But now we should because they have got the money to put them at the top of the tree. That's a bit like saying "imagine comparing us to Chelsea 15 years ago"

[mikeyb772001]

Its amazing that some gooners think finishing in top 4 is successful

You are brain washed by wenger I am sure.

But if that’s what you enjoy go ahead. Jesus are we spurs????

No mate, I am not brainwashed by anyone.

People have different opinions, and to be honest it's getting pretty fucking annoying when anyone who does not want to call Wenger a c**t. the board c**ts, denilson a c**t, diaby a c**t, arshavin a c**t is deluded a sheep must be fucking mad. I have been going to Arsenal over 20 years, I have had a season ticket since 95, I fcuking love Arsenal it has been my life for so long and has played a part emotionally in real life situation. Please stop digging out people because they don't see it the same as you.

Let's try this again. Man City. How much have they spent JUST TO GET IN THE TOP 4. In the modern game being in the Champions League IS an acheivement. Put it this way, if we had won the carling cup and fa cup every year for the past 10 years, but not qualified for the cl would you be happy?

I bet you they still win something before us.

We aren't man citeh anyway. Imagine 7 years ago comparing ourselves to man city. At least they're showing ambition and building a side! The fact is we don't know for sure weather we have the money to challenge for the title and we never will. Thats partly what this protest is about.

I agree, comparing us to Man City 7 years ago would've been pointless. But now we should because they have got the money to put them at the top of the tree. That's a bit like saying "imagine comparing us to Chelsea 15 years ago"

What about comparing us to what we were 8-15 years ago

Same Manager different brain 100% different aims, spirit, team, mentality and class.

[clockendal]

Its amazing that some gooners think finishing in top 4 is successful

You are brain washed by wenger I am sure.

But if that’s what you enjoy go ahead. Jesus are we spurs????

No mate, I am not brainwashed by anyone.

People have different opinions, and to be honest it's getting pretty fucking annoying when anyone who does not want to call Wenger a c**t. the board c**ts, denilson a c**t, diaby a c**t, arshavin a c**t is deluded a sheep must be fucking mad. I have been going to Arsenal over 20 years, I have had a season ticket since 95, I fcuking love Arsenal it has been my life for so long and has played a part emotionally in real life situation. Please stop digging out people because they don't see it the same as you.

Let's try this again. Man City. How much have they spent JUST TO GET IN THE TOP 4. In the modern game being in the Champions League IS an acheivement.

Put it this way, if we had won the carling cup and fa cup every year for the past 10 years, but not qualified for the cl would you be happy?

I don’t care about Man Citeh, they are a little club and top 4 for them is massive.

So if we can nearly win the league every year without spending, why don’t we spend???

As I said if your happy with having no ambition and losing then fill your boots.

Is the Chairman said winning is important to us but not the main goal.

Maybe I am the mad one for not sharing the views, you, wenger and the board have.

yes i would be slightly more happy as the CL is the devils cup, it only means money and is the reason we only push to get in top 4!
If it wasnt for the CL we would of won the leauge many times in the last few years.

As I said before, so were Chelsea before they had money, look at them now.

I am not suggesting you are mate, all I am saying is that people clearly have different views on this and you should just be a little more understanding of that.

I have never had a go at you or anyone else because of what your opinion is. I am just saying maybe, maybe you should think the same when accusing people of being brainwashed.

We would've won the league many times ? Based on what ?

Listen mate, I am more than happy for any Arsenal fan to have an opinion, set up a protest group or do whatever they want if that's how they feel. At the same time I wouldn't resort to insulting those who didn't share my opinion on it.

Good Luck with the group.

[DB10GOONER]

Its amazing that some gooners think finishing in top 4 is successful

You are brain washed by wenger I am sure.

But if that’s what you enjoy go ahead. Jesus are we spurs????

No mate, I am not brainwashed by anyone.

People have different opinions, and to be honest it's getting pretty fucking annoying when anyone who does not want to call Wenger a c**t. the board c**ts, denilson a c**t, diaby a c**t, arshavin a c**t is deluded a sheep must be fucking mad. I have been going to Arsenal over 20 years, I have had a season ticket since 95, I fcuking love Arsenal it has been my life for so long and has played a part emotionally in real life situation. Please stop digging out people because they don't see it the same as you.

Let's try this again. Man City. How much have they spent JUST TO GET IN THE TOP 4. In the modern game being in the Champions League IS an acheivement.

Put it this way, if we had won the carling cup and fa cup every year for the past 10 years, but not qualified for the cl would you be happy?

I don’t care about Man Citeh, they are a little club and top 4 for them is massive.

So if we can nearly win the league every year without spending, why don’t we spend???

As I said if your happy with having no ambition and losing then fill your boots.

Is the Chairman said winning is important to us but not the main goal.

Maybe I am the mad one for not sharing the views, you, wenger and the board have.

yes i would be slightly more happy as the CL is the devils cup, it only means money and is the reason we only push to get in top 4!
If it wasnt for the CL we would of won the leauge many times in the last few years.

As I said before, so were Chelsea before they had money, look at them now.

I am not suggesting you are mate, all I am saying is that people clearly have different views on this and you should just be a little more understanding of that.

I have never had a go at you or anyone else because of what your opinion is. I am just saying maybe, maybe you should think the same when accusing people of being brainwashed.

We would've won the league many times ? Based on what ?

Listen mate, I am more than happy for any Arsenal fan to have an opinion, set up a protest group or do whatever they want if that's how they feel. At the same time I wouldn't resort to insulting those who didn't share my opinion on it.

Good Luck with the group.

Fair points, Al.

[SteveO 35]

Please - get back to the point. Go back to the comments made by Friar, Edelman and co. when we were moving home. We needed to move in order to "compete with Europe's elite". Strangely in our humble little home's last year I seem to remember us competing perfectly adequately with Real Madrid and Juventus, before 10 men so nearly pulled off the unthinkable against Barcelona. Nothing to do with having players such as Henry, Pires, Cole, Campbell, Ljungberg, Bergkamp etc.

Tell me why we should purely settle for a top four finish each year and watch our club transformed into a property holding company that has football as its secondary business interest. That is my concern. One simple question Ivan

"What is the strategic goal for Arsenal FC"........still waiting. We know that "winning isn't everything" to you, so please tell us what it is that matters more than being a succesful football club. Having the best selling apartments in London N5 ?