Jack Wilshere

[1989]

As much as he gets slated, it was encouraging to see him coming back 3 days early from his holidays for pre season. Good sign and credit where due.

[afcforever]

Jack is a great player, looking forward to watching him next season.

I agree, but feel this IS his season - He either man's up to his responsibilities stepping up to the plate or crashes & burns...I hope it is the former, because IF he can re-capture the excellence he has shown in the past - then we all benefit.

Let's hope so, jack has the potential to be one of the best.

[Ultimatum94]

He's an overrated Chav wanker that should be used as a squad player.

Why be a ponce and call him a chav?

If you don't like him personally just state so but no need to take the piss of the boy's working class family

I know this is so far removed from the real argument (about football) but it's not necessarily a stab at his parents' socio-economic status. I personally equate chav with Billy Big Bollocks scumbag, and know a few people from good backgrounds that would fall into this and plenty from not great backgrounds who wouldn't.

Yeah you're right but at least you get the gist of my argument

[Ultimatum94]

Jack is a great player, looking forward to watching him next season.

"Great"?... Really?

We must have different standards because nothing I've seen from him constitutes greatness. He's a squad player atm - nothing more.

We all have different opinions, people were slagging Ramsey off last year

Thank you.

I find it extraordinary that after Ramsey's revival we still have the cheek to condemn Wilshere to forever being shit when he's performed on more occasions than Rambo before his injury.

I didn't say he was sh*t.

I said he isn't great, which is true: Yaya Toure, Schweinsteiger, Pirlo, Xavi, etc. are great, Jack is nowhere near that level.

I also said he's a squad player atm, this is also true.

P.S.

Ramsey is miles better than Jack.

I know you didn't. And I know you're one careful fucker that makes sure all your statements are 100% error free so no one can misconstrue your point.

But it wasn't directed at you at all but to all them twitter twats that just call him plain shit and call for his head.

Just was too lazy to quote the original post, sorry

[DB10GOONER]

Jack is a great player, looking forward to watching him next season.

"Great"?... Really?

We must have different standards because nothing I've seen from him constitutes greatness. He's a squad player atm - nothing more.

We all have different opinions, people were slagging Ramsey off last year

Who was slagging off Ramsey last year? The year before last (actually for the two years before) he was slagged off and rightly so because he was shit for those two years. Absolute shit. Why would people not say he was shit when indeed he was shit?

What's the point in saying Jack is great if he isn't? Jack has delivered very very little. He has potential, but that is all. Aliadi-useless had potential, Pennant had potential, Bentley had potential - where are they now? Setting the PL alight week in week out? There is no guarantee Jack will do any better than them. He might. Equally he might not.

This rose tinted view some of you have of everything Arsenal is just plain childish tbh.

[afcforever]

Jack is a great player, looking forward to watching him next season.

"Great"?... Really?

We must have different standards because nothing I've seen from him constitutes greatness. He's a squad player atm - nothing more.

We all have different opinions, people were slagging Ramsey off last year

Who was slagging off Ramsey last year? The year before last (actually for the two years before) he was slagged off and rightly so because he was shit for those two years. Absolute shit. Why would people not say he was shit when indeed he was shit?

What's the point in saying Jack is great if he isn't? Jack has delivered very very little. He has potential, but that is all. Aliadi-useless had potential, Pennant had potential, Bentley had potential - where are they now? Setting the PL alight week in week out? There is no guarantee Jack will do any better than them. He might. Equally he might not.

This rose tinted view some of you have of everything Arsenal is just plain childish tbh.

Ramsey was getting slagged off begining of last season, Jack is a much better player than all those you mentioned, and I think Jack is a great player
And I don't have a rose tinted view, it's normally merlot or stellar

[Supagoon]

Jack is a great player, looking forward to watching him next season.

"Great"?... Really?

We must have different standards because nothing I've seen from him constitutes greatness. He's a squad player atm - nothing more.

We all have different opinions, people were slagging Ramsey off last year

Who was slagging off Ramsey last year? The year before last (actually for the two years before) he was slagged off and rightly so because he was shit for those two years. Absolute shit. Why would people not say he was shit when indeed he was shit?

What's the point in saying Jack is great if he isn't? Jack has delivered very very little. He has potential, but that is all. Aliadi-useless had potential, Pennant had potential, Bentley had potential - where are they now? Setting the PL alight week in week out? There is no guarantee Jack will do any better than them. He might. Equally he might not.

This rose tinted view some of you have of everything Arsenal is just plain childish tbh.

Ramsey was as you say shit. But some thought he was playing well below his ability and in time and persistence the real Aaron Ramsey will come through. And it did, big time. Some were saying sell him, thank god that never happened.

Jack's progress is certainly curtailed by injuries, but he needs to knuckle and listen to those who have his footballing interests at heart. I think Jack will make is as a 1st 11 player, once he stops injuring himself. We've seen how good he can be. Aliadiere, Pennant, Bentley, were all quite limited, never seen them play as well as jack has, maybe Bentley had some great games when he was a Blackburn.

[Swifty]

Jack is a great player, looking forward to watching him next season.

If I said that i'd be accused of being a wum. Jack is a good player but certainly not great.

Nah, you'd be accused of being a wum because you are one

[augie]

This could be a good season for wilshere - personally I would be very surprised if ramsey has a season like last season ever again cos, bar the injury, everything he touched last season turned to gold. Resting/rotating/dropping ramsey will be a lot easier this season if he isnt hitting the same heights and this could open the door for jack. This is not me having a pop at ramsey cos I like the guy, but I think that it is unfair/unrealistic to expect him to repeat last seasons feats

[DB10GOONER]

This could be a good season for wilshere - personally I would be very surprised if ramsey has a season like last season ever again cos, bar the injury, everything he touched last season turned to gold. Resting/rotating/dropping ramsey will be a lot easier this season if he isnt hitting the same heights and this could open the door for jack. This is not me having a pop at ramsey cos I like the guy, but I think that it is unfair/unrealistic to expect him to repeat last seasons feats

Have to agree. I said in another thread I'd be very surprised if Ramsey could maintain those levels for another season or two and tbh I doubt he'd have maintained them for the whole of last season if he'd avoided injury. Obviously I hope he does, but being honest I just don't think he will.

As for Jack, I said it before; he needs to man up more than anything else. He needs to stay on his feet and stop whining at the ref everytime he's touched. He has quality technique, skill and a bit of vision to his game, and I'd love to see him make it, but at the moment he is a bit away from being a top player - for me anyway.

[SPUDMASHER]

I see no reason why Ramsey cannot have another great season. We see other players at other clubs that have great season after great season. Does anyone think that Henry didn't perform almost every year? Messi, Ronaldo and Joey Barton seem to manage it, why not Rambo?

The only thing stopping anyone having a great season might be the possible arrival of Khedira. That would probably result in a rotation issue that would mean nobody is getting a constant run in the team.

[donaldo]

This could be a good season for wilshere - personally I would be very surprised if ramsey has a season like last season ever again cos, bar the injury, everything he touched last season turned to gold. Resting/rotating/dropping ramsey will be a lot easier this season if he isnt hitting the same heights and this could open the door for jack. This is not me having a pop at ramsey cos I like the guy, but I think that it is unfair/unrealistic to expect him to repeat last seasons feats

Why not? I remember Gooners when Bale had his first good season at the Spuds saying he was a one season wonder.Ramsey can become what Bale has.Great players are great because they can do it every season we had that with Henry.I fully expect Rambo to have a great season again.As for Wilshere be lucky to play 15 games

[DB10GOONER]

I see no reason why Ramsey cannot have another great season. We see other players at other clubs that have great season after great season. Does anyone think that Henry didn't perform almost every year? Messi, Ronaldo and Joey Barton seem to manage it, why not Rambo?

The only thing stopping anyone having a great season might be the possible arrival of Khedira. That would probably result in a rotation issue that would mean nobody is getting a constant run in the team.

I hope you are right about Rambo. But in all honesty I thought his form dipped sharply in the weeks before his injury.

[clockender1]

he was photographed titting about in a puddle at the Austrian training camp today after a rainstorm - smh, he just doesn't get it...the other players went in, got dry and carried on training indoors.

i had such high hopes for him but he seems like a complete tit.

[Supagoon]

You're right Ramsey had the Midas touch last season, but I reckon he is a really a fantastic player and that is what he is capable of.

That was the guy we started to see before his leg breaking injury, and honestly reckon he'll keep scoring and running this team. Frankly the only reason we'll drop him is because he is tired and needs a breather.

His form dipped before is muscle injury last season because he was ran into the ground by the professor. We need people like jack to start performing so we can afford to rest the likes of Ramsey so we can unleash him on the big boys.