Official World Cup Thread

[Nick Bendtners Ego]

God and Jesus have Already forgiven Kaka
However the Gods should be fcuking thunderbolts at half a dozen others on that pitch tonight . Don't know how many times i shouted at the TV for a player to get the hell up . From Lucio to Fabiano they were all guilty of theatrics that we take for granted from the likes of Drogba . The way i saw the sending off was that Keita went looking for a reaction , ran towards Kaka
with the Brazilian just standing his ground .
Weak referee , did he even consult his officals ?
Hate this rolling around shite with a vengence and the attempts to get
players sent off even more . Not a new disease in the Game i know but
surely its not difficult to work out if a player is taking the piss , my logic is , if they are rolling around doing a mini breakdance move , well they can't be and ain't injured .

[MegaGooner]

Its Kaka we are talking about mate, when was the last time you saw him excessively moan at a bad ref decision or get angry at an opponent.
Its almost like Klose getting sent off

If you call him lifting his forearm to a 45 degree or less angle to stop an idiot running into him Intent then can't let cheats win in football.

Yea i love the guy, he's top man and a great player, it's totally out of character for him, but he put his elbow into the guys stomach, just cos it's not in his character it doesn't mean to say it didn't happen. It wasn't in Zidanes character to head butt somone, but he did..

I agree you can't let cheats win in football...and personally i would want players over reacting or feigning injury booked or sometimes sent off, but if that was the case there would have been at least four Brazil players and two Ivory Coast players booked or sent off for it tonight..

Just wondering BG....I saw two IC players who should have gotten a red card for tackles "over the ball". 1 on Elano and 1 on Bastos. Where was there enough bad play for 4 Brazilian red cards?

[Bergkamp-Genius]

Its Kaka we are talking about mate, when was the last time you saw him excessively moan at a bad ref decision or get angry at an opponent.
Its almost like Klose getting sent off

If you call him lifting his forearm to a 45 degree or less angle to stop an idiot running into him Intent then can't let cheats win in football.

Yea i love the guy, he's top man and a great player, it's totally out of character for him, but he put his elbow into the guys stomach, just cos it's not in his character it doesn't mean to say it didn't happen. It wasn't in Zidanes character to head butt somone, but he did..but they should..

I agree you can't let cheats win in football...and personally i would want players over reacting or feigning injury booked or sometimes sent off, but if that was the case there would have been at least four Brazil players and two Ivory Coast players booked or sent off for it tonight..

Just wondering BG....I saw two IC players who should have gotten a red card for tackles "over the ball". 1 on Elano and 1 on Bastos. Where was there enough bad play for 4 Brazilian red cards?

I was referring to play acting and feigning injury, if you were to book players for it that is the result you would have had during tonights game there was plenty of it mostly from Brazil..
I wasn't talking about the bad tackles, the referee decides what punishment is necessary on them, but refs almost never punish players for play acting...

[MK Gould]

First of all - tonights game. I've been quite impressed with the refeering at the world cup but the ref tonight was awful. The Kaka sending off was bizarre. The IC player went out of his way to run into him and for anyone to say that he raised his elbow....they must just be trying to wind everyone else up. He didn't even know the fucking player was there....!

But difficult to feel that sorry for Brazil after THAT "goal". Two handballs, the referee (and linesman) still manages to give it and then trots back to the centre circle having a bit of a laugh with the Brazil player...."oh go on, I've given it now. Did you hit with your arm? Promise not to tell anyone....".

My other whinge is Alan Green and others going on about how part of the problem with England is the "high expectation" that the fans had before the tourament. Is he having a laugh????? Ok, so I'm sure we wished the guys well, bought our shirts/flags etc. But that was out of loyalty. How many (apart from the very young/naive/mentally unstable actually thought that England would win the competition???? I must admit that I didn't have much doubt that we'd get out the group (and I think we still will) but personally I always felt that Quarter Final with this squad would have been a success......

[Bergkamp-Genius]

First of all - tonights game. I've been quite impressed with the refeering at the world cup but the ref tonight was awful. The Kaka sending off was bizarre. The IC player went out of his way to run into him and for anyone to say that he raised his elbow....they must just be trying to wind everyone else up. He didn't even know the fucking player was there....!

I think you need to watch it again..there is no doubt he moved his arm towards the player, the debate is what his intent was..

[Gooner_Sam]

Have to say, I thought Melo had a great game alongside Gilberto in the holding role..

I think even BrazilianGooner will back me up on this

[augie]

Seriously bg the fact that you are totally on your own in slating kaka should give you a hint of how wrong you are. Kaka stood his ground...nothing more and nothing less. How the fcuk you can book any player for that is fcuking way beyond me and instead of focusing on his alledged elbow you should be focused on the most dispicable act of cheating tonight (and that is saying something considering dogbreath and eboue were both playing as well ). What we saw tonight from that IC *word censored* is the equivilent of what rivaldo did v turkey a few years ago and he got nailed for it after the game so it will be interesting to see if fifa dickheads take any action now

Have to say that the two IC tackles tonight were an absolute disgrace tonight and were symbolic of their continual kicking of anything in a yellow shirt I totally agree that some of the brazilians were very guilty of diving but against that I will also say that they were getting fcuk all protection from that ref

[Nick Bendtners Ego]

Second that , tight unit and top marks for Gilberto for staying upright and
drama free . Still life in the old Legs yet . Can we send Denilson off to him for a weekend (or Five )Crash course in Midfielding

[g88ner]

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I think you need to watch it again..there is no doubt he moved his arm towards the player, the debate is what his intent was..

Debate?? it's about as clear bit of cheating by Keita as you're likely to see.

As for intent... well, if a guy decides to run into you for no reason in the street, I'd like to see you keep your arms firmly by your side he raised his arm slightly, as most would, but he certainly didn't elbow him - there was practically zero backlift or sharp movement of the elbow - it wouldn't have hurt a toddler, never mind a fully grown man!!

I've seen it several times now, and for the life of me I can't see how Kaka could possibly have caused any pain on Keita! - it was just nothing. A shrug at best. Is this a man's game??

Ridiculous decision to book him, and I'm amazed that anyone, having seen replays of it on tv, can see it any other way. It's a contact sport, and if we start over analysing these incidents to try and spot any minute, minimal contact then all hope is lost. It didn't hurt Keita at all, and the whole world knows it. He belongs on the *word censored* thread, and FIFA need to act.

[MegaGooner]

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I think you need to watch it again..there is no doubt he moved his arm towards the player, the debate is what his intent was..

Debate?? it's about as clear bit of cheating by Keita as you're likely to see.

As for intent... well, if a guy decides to run into you for no reason in the street, I'd like to see you keep your arms firmly by your side he raised his arm slightly, as most would, but he certainly didn't elbow him - there was practically zero backlift or sharp movement of the elbow - it wouldn't have hurt a toddler, never mind a fully grown man!!

I've seen it several times now, and for the life of me I can't see how Kaka could possibly have caused any pain on Keita! - it was just nothing. A shrug at best. Is this a man's game??

Ridiculous decision to book him, and I'm amazed that anyone, having seen replays of it on tv, can see it any other way. It's a contact sport, and if we start over analysing these incidents to try and spot any minute, minimal contact then all hope is lost. It didn't hurt Keita at all, and the whole world knows it. He belongs on the c**t thread, and FIFA need to act.

Well said....if you gonna book every player for intent, we might end up watching games end with just the goalkeepers left on the field

[Bergkamp-Genius]

Seriously bg the fact that you are totally on your own in slating kaka should give you a hint of how wrong you are. Kaka stood his ground...nothing more and nothing less. How the fcuk you can book any player for that is fcuking way beyond me and instead of focusing on his alledged elbow you should be focused on the most dispicable act of cheating tonight (and that is saying something considering dogbreath and eboue were both playing as well ). What we saw tonight from that IC c**t is the equivilent of what rivaldo did v turkey a few years ago and he got nailed for it after the game so it will be interesting to see if fifa dickheads take any action now

Have to say that the two IC tackles tonight were an absolute disgrace tonight and were symbolic of their continual kicking of anything in a yellow shirt I totally agree that some of the brazilians were very guilty of diving but against that I will also say that they were getting fcuk all protection from that ref

I'm not slating Kaka, i'm a big fan of his...i'm just saying he moved his arm and caught the guy...i didn't say the guy wasn't acting or cheating with his reaction to whatever contact there was...But to say he didn't know the guy was there or that he didn't move his arm towards him as some are, is a lie..
If you want to say the contact was minimal or that the guy was holding his face when the contact was in the body then thats a fact, but he still moved his arm and made contact with the guys body what he intended is open to interpretation...and my guess is if that was Shawcross against Cesc it would be interpreted a little differently by some..

[Bergkamp-Genius]

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I think you need to watch it again..there is no doubt he moved his arm towards the player, the debate is what his intent was..

Debate?? it's about as clear bit of cheating by Keita as you're likely to see.

As for intent... well, if a guy decides to run into you for no reason in the street, I'd like to see you keep your arms firmly by your side he raised his arm slightly, as most would, but he certainly didn't elbow him - there was practically zero backlift or sharp movement of the elbow - it wouldn't have hurt a toddler, never mind a fully grown man!!

I've seen it several times now, and for the life of me I can't see how Kaka could possibly have caused any pain on Keita! - it was just nothing. A shrug at best. Is this a man's game??

Ridiculous decision to book him, and I'm amazed that anyone, having seen replays of it on tv, can see it any other way. It's a contact sport, and if we start over analysing these incidents to try and spot any minute, minimal contact then all hope is lost. It didn't hurt Keita at all, and the whole world knows it. He belongs on the c**t thread, and FIFA need to act.

Since when has causing pain been any criteria for booking someone, i seem to remember Paddy getting sent off for swinging at Van Horseface, he never got within three feet of him, it didn't stop the ref sending him off though..
Yes Keita cheated and should be punished for the fake reaction but then so should Lucio Fabiano Maicon Robinho and numerous others in that game for faking injury or for grossly over reacting to minimal or no contact..

[GunnerDude]

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I think you need to watch it again..there is no doubt he moved his arm towards the player, the debate is what his intent was..

Debate?? it's about as clear bit of cheating by Keita as you're likely to see.

As for intent... well, if a guy decides to run into you for no reason in the street, I'd like to see you keep your arms firmly by your side he raised his arm slightly, as most would, but he certainly didn't elbow him - there was practically zero backlift or sharp movement of the elbow - it wouldn't have hurt a toddler, never mind a fully grown man!!

I've seen it several times now, and for the life of me I can't see how Kaka could possibly have caused any pain on Keita! - it was just nothing. A shrug at best. Is this a man's game??

Ridiculous decision to book him, and I'm amazed that anyone, having seen replays of it on tv, can see it any other way. It's a contact sport, and if we start over analysing these incidents to try and spot any minute, minimal contact then all hope is lost. It didn't hurt Keita at all, and the whole world knows it. He belongs on the c**t thread, and FIFA need to act.

That!

[Bergkamp-Genius]

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I think you need to watch it again..there is no doubt he moved his arm towards the player, the debate is what his intent was..

Debate?? it's about as clear bit of cheating by Keita as you're likely to see.

As for intent... well, if a guy decides to run into you for no reason in the street, I'd like to see you keep your arms firmly by your side he raised his arm slightly, as most would, but he certainly didn't elbow him - there was practically zero backlift or sharp movement of the elbow - it wouldn't have hurt a toddler, never mind a fully grown man!!

I've seen it several times now, and for the life of me I can't see how Kaka could possibly have caused any pain on Keita! - it was just nothing. A shrug at best. Is this a man's game??

Ridiculous decision to book him, and I'm amazed that anyone, having seen replays of it on tv, can see it any other way. It's a contact sport, and if we start over analysing these incidents to try and spot any minute, minimal contact then all hope is lost. It didn't hurt Keita at all, and the whole world knows it. He belongs on the c**t thread, and FIFA need to act.

That!

Tbh i would just stick my hand out like i normally do in those situations, the only reason i would move my elbow would be if i wanted to hurt them...

[LDB]

Yet another case in point for video reviews.