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Nos89 wrote:
The TTIP will ruin the EU as it will uphold USA position of global economic power. The USA already sewn up the pacific countries in the TPP. I kept mentioning this but very few listened as they didn't know about the TTIP. Just got called a racist by ignorant people.
The "ghost" soldiers that were all around the country today as a tribute to the 19,000 that lost their lives at the Somme 100 years ago, shouldve gone round slapping the 18-25 who are crying about the referendum result.
So as you are an expert on TTIP can you explain what it is and why it is bad? Also the relationship between TTIP and WWI please.
The Independent article explains it better then I could.
There isn't a link between TTIP or WW1.
LOL too lazy to interpret your own understanding of TTIP (in other words you don't understand it) so instead refer to an article read in the media.
I guess the Independent isn't owned by murdoch, which is something. By the way TTIP does have positives too, it's a shame that journalists focus on the negatives but that doesn't sell newspapers does it. The reason TTIP hasn't been ratified is because the Europeans are not happy with certain terms. If we start to negotiate with the US for a trade deal you can be sure it will be similar to the one that is ongoing with the EU, by my recogning it's taken 4 years to get nowhere near ratifying a treaty. God knows how long it will take us to sort one out,
Didn't realise this discussion was a marked assignment.
In a nutshell USA wants to deal with one political body rather than 27 different ones, gaining from 27 nations while the EU has to share the benefits from one nation between its member states. Being out we can discuss on a one to one basis without considering the needs of 27 other governments.
On Gove it seems he's playing the honest, quiet politician, not the personality media hunting politician. It's an interesting position as modern politics is as much about the personality of the leader as it is about the politics.
bravo for not biting, perhaps you didnt undertsamd ou were being patronised though...
nut flush gooner wrote:I have voted conservative pretty much all of my adult life, and voted for Boris to be mayor of london.
Quite a funny character, his "bungling idiot" approach is quite endearing. BUT, if he is responsible for us leaving the EU, the loss of thousands of jobs a weaker currency (sterling has fallen through the floor today because of the Boris effect) and he makes it to be the next leader of the Conservatives, I will abstain at the next General Election.
There are arguments for leaving the EU but our relationship with India, China and the US is crucial for the future of this country. If the consequence of leaving the EU is losing investment from all these nations then IMO it just isn't worth it. I have worked for companies that offer services to inward investing overseas firms, and have seen all of these countries set up satellite operations in the UK creating hundreds if not thousands of skilled well paid jobs over the last decade. One US firm alone went from employing 3 employees in 2004 to 200 plus today. That's just my personal experience and it's before you even start looking at large ftse 100 companies who have said they will relocate jobs if we leave the EU.
I was under the impression that our economic relationships with India, China and USA would continue with or without us being in the EU, in fact being out we could improve and have more direct manufacturing contracts with the big 2 and possibly with India. We do not need the EU to have economic trade with the three most important economic countries in the world. Germany appears to be on its way to tanking economically.
I would suggest that the referendum has been brought forward to facilitate a new prime minister. An exit will see boris installed as PM as Cameron steps down, a stay vote will see George Osbourne in charge. I don't think Cameron will see out the full term, he didn't look too motivated during the election and he doesn't appear to want the job anymore. It is no accident that nearly all economic policies set by this government have a timeline to commence in 2020...the year of the next election. Also, as explained by Cameron on the announcement of the referendum, the exit will take 2 years, which gives the current government 2 years to implement a strategy to gain re-election in 2020. If anyone believes they are doing this for the benefit of the everyday people in this nation, think again...it's all about the conservatives staying in power. They've learnt from the error they made with letting Maggie stay in charge for 11 years. A new political party is needed, UKIP had the best manifesto for a modern day Britain, it is unfortunate that they didn't talk about it, just kept banging on about illegal immigrants. If they rebranded themselves by changing their name they would be a major contender for government at the next election.
Ok let me explain the issues with your theory. Firstly, Indian and Chinese firms when they want to do business in Europe usually set up a satellite operation for which to sell their wares if you like to the rest of Europe. It's just totally inefficient and expensive to do this in every country.
The country of choice certainly for India given the cultural/language and historical ties is the UK less so for China. You would think that the US would naturally pick the UK as a point of access to do business in Europe, but they have already said the impact us leaving will have. Therefore, its not unreasonable to accept that we will lose out on trading contracts and ultimately jobs that would have been created in the UK.
Now given what I have already said, if we are outside the EU trade will become much more complicated. We have already discussed on this thread the time it takes to set up trade agreements and I am sure that a lot of the EU countries who noses will be put out of joint by Brexit will not be as accommodating as you would think.
UKIP where a shambles in the election, they didn't get the seats they thought they did and their leader stepped down and changed his mind! The one and only MP launched a stinging attack on Farage. Is this really a credible alternative, somehow I don't think so and so did a lot of the Tory vote.
Cameron will be in number 10 after the referendum, what makes you think he is disinterested? He worked his nuts off over getting a deal that he could take to Parliament. The only person whose playing politics is Boris Johnson.
Nut flash I'd be interested in your opinion now. I called it right with Cameron. As you are a conservative what are your thoughts now?
I am gutted that Cameron resigned tbh, and in despair over what has happened to the Conservatives. I guess the only thing that softens the blow is Labour are actually in a worst predicament.
Perhaps in hindsight the only outcome for Cameron was to fall on his sword, he would never be committed to implement article 50. I really can't see Gove winning the leadership election. What a twat he is going on national TV saying he wasn't interested in being PM then less than 2 weeks saying he is a reluctant candidate, having stabbed his mate Boris in the back. I won't vote for the Conservatives if he is PM but I certainly won't vote labour.
It's pretty scary what the referendum has done to this country, there have been lot's of accounts of racist behaviour even one of my Asian mates was subjected to abuse in Central London. I mean ffs you might understand it up north, but Central London one of the most cosmopolitan areas in the country. We've even seen examples of it on this forum.
where on this forum have there been examples of this???
so scary isnt it, what the country is now, it is falling apart around us, the leafy streets of essex are bathed in mobs hunting immigranti and there was no racism before brexit at all was there, its not that people are desperatley trying to support their own pained agendas to blame all ills in the country on brexit... but a very simple maxim should be retained by those not pushing an agenda; correlation is not causation!
christ i hope you are not over 30 and are just an idealistic kid who gets his opinions from buzzfeed
Nos89 wrote:
I was under the impression that our economic relationships with India, China and USA would continue with or without us being in the EU, in fact being out we could improve and have more direct manufacturing contracts with the big 2 and possibly with India. We do not need the EU to have economic trade with the three most important economic countries in the world. Germany appears to be on its way to tanking economically.
I would suggest that the referendum has been brought forward to facilitate a new prime minister. An exit will see boris installed as PM as Cameron steps down, a stay vote will see George Osbourne in charge. I don't think Cameron will see out the full term, he didn't look too motivated during the election and he doesn't appear to want the job anymore. It is no accident that nearly all economic policies set by this government have a timeline to commence in 2020...the year of the next election. Also, as explained by Cameron on the announcement of the referendum, the exit will take 2 years, which gives the current government 2 years to implement a strategy to gain re-election in 2020. If anyone believes they are doing this for the benefit of the everyday people in this nation, think again...it's all about the conservatives staying in power. They've learnt from the error they made with letting Maggie stay in charge for 11 years. A new political party is needed, UKIP had the best manifesto for a modern day Britain, it is unfortunate that they didn't talk about it, just kept banging on about illegal immigrants. If they rebranded themselves by changing their name they would be a major contender for government at the next election.
Ok let me explain the issues with your theory. Firstly, Indian and Chinese firms when they want to do business in Europe usually set up a satellite operation for which to sell their wares if you like to the rest of Europe. It's just totally inefficient and expensive to do this in every country.
The country of choice certainly for India given the cultural/language and historical ties is the UK less so for China. You would think that the US would naturally pick the UK as a point of access to do business in Europe, but they have already said the impact us leaving will have. Therefore, its not unreasonable to accept that we will lose out on trading contracts and ultimately jobs that would have been created in the UK.
Now given what I have already said, if we are outside the EU trade will become much more complicated. We have already discussed on this thread the time it takes to set up trade agreements and I am sure that a lot of the EU countries who noses will be put out of joint by Brexit will not be as accommodating as you would think.
UKIP where a shambles in the election, they didn't get the seats they thought they did and their leader stepped down and changed his mind! The one and only MP launched a stinging attack on Farage. Is this really a credible alternative, somehow I don't think so and so did a lot of the Tory vote.
Cameron will be in number 10 after the referendum, what makes you think he is disinterested? He worked his nuts off over getting a deal that he could take to Parliament. The only person whose playing politics is Boris Johnson.
Nut flash I'd be interested in your opinion now. I called it right with Cameron. As you are a conservative what are your thoughts now?
I am gutted that Cameron resigned tbh, and in despair over what has happened to the Conservatives. I guess the only thing that softens the blow is Labour are actually in a worst predicament.
Perhaps in hindsight the only outcome for Cameron was to fall on his sword, he would never be committed to implement article 50. I really can't see Gove winning the leadership election. What a twat he is going on national TV saying he wasn't interested in being PM then less than 2 weeks saying he is a reluctant candidate, having stabbed his mate Boris in the back. I won't vote for the Conservatives if he is PM but I certainly won't vote labour.
It's pretty scary what the referendum has done to this country, there have been lot's of accounts of racist behaviour even one of my Asian mates was subjected to abuse in Central London. I mean ffs you might understand it up north, but Central London one of the most cosmopolitan areas in the country. We've even seen examples of it on this forum.
where on this forum have there been examples of this???
so scary isnt it, what the country is now, it is falling apart around us, the leafy streets of essex are bathed in mobs hunting immigranti and there was no racism before brexit at all was there, its not that people are desperatley trying to support their own pained agendas to blame all ills in the country on brexit... but a very simple maxim should be retained by those not pushing an agenda; correlation is not causation!
christ i hope you are not over 30 and are just an idealistic kid who gets his opinions from buzzfeed
You know what I resisted the temptation to say the same to you. Please turn on spellcheck.
Nos89 wrote:
I was under the impression that our economic relationships with India, China and USA would continue with or without us being in the EU, in fact being out we could improve and have more direct manufacturing contracts with the big 2 and possibly with India. We do not need the EU to have economic trade with the three most important economic countries in the world. Germany appears to be on its way to tanking economically.
I would suggest that the referendum has been brought forward to facilitate a new prime minister. An exit will see boris installed as PM as Cameron steps down, a stay vote will see George Osbourne in charge. I don't think Cameron will see out the full term, he didn't look too motivated during the election and he doesn't appear to want the job anymore. It is no accident that nearly all economic policies set by this government have a timeline to commence in 2020...the year of the next election. Also, as explained by Cameron on the announcement of the referendum, the exit will take 2 years, which gives the current government 2 years to implement a strategy to gain re-election in 2020. If anyone believes they are doing this for the benefit of the everyday people in this nation, think again...it's all about the conservatives staying in power. They've learnt from the error they made with letting Maggie stay in charge for 11 years. A new political party is needed, UKIP had the best manifesto for a modern day Britain, it is unfortunate that they didn't talk about it, just kept banging on about illegal immigrants. If they rebranded themselves by changing their name they would be a major contender for government at the next election.
Ok let me explain the issues with your theory. Firstly, Indian and Chinese firms when they want to do business in Europe usually set up a satellite operation for which to sell their wares if you like to the rest of Europe. It's just totally inefficient and expensive to do this in every country.
The country of choice certainly for India given the cultural/language and historical ties is the UK less so for China. You would think that the US would naturally pick the UK as a point of access to do business in Europe, but they have already said the impact us leaving will have. Therefore, its not unreasonable to accept that we will lose out on trading contracts and ultimately jobs that would have been created in the UK.
Now given what I have already said, if we are outside the EU trade will become much more complicated. We have already discussed on this thread the time it takes to set up trade agreements and I am sure that a lot of the EU countries who noses will be put out of joint by Brexit will not be as accommodating as you would think.
UKIP where a shambles in the election, they didn't get the seats they thought they did and their leader stepped down and changed his mind! The one and only MP launched a stinging attack on Farage. Is this really a credible alternative, somehow I don't think so and so did a lot of the Tory vote.
Cameron will be in number 10 after the referendum, what makes you think he is disinterested? He worked his nuts off over getting a deal that he could take to Parliament. The only person whose playing politics is Boris Johnson.
Nut flash I'd be interested in your opinion now. I called it right with Cameron. As you are a conservative what are your thoughts now?
I am gutted that Cameron resigned tbh, and in despair over what has happened to the Conservatives. I guess the only thing that softens the blow is Labour are actually in a worst predicament.
Perhaps in hindsight the only outcome for Cameron was to fall on his sword, he would never be committed to implement article 50. I really can't see Gove winning the leadership election. What a twat he is going on national TV saying he wasn't interested in being PM then less than 2 weeks saying he is a reluctant candidate, having stabbed his mate Boris in the back. I won't vote for the Conservatives if he is PM but I certainly won't vote labour.
It's pretty scary what the referendum has done to this country, there have been lot's of accounts of racist behaviour even one of my Asian mates was subjected to abuse in Central London. I mean ffs you might understand it up north, but Central London one of the most cosmopolitan areas in the country. We've even seen examples of it on this forum.
where on this forum have there been examples of this???
so scary isnt it, what the country is now, it is falling apart around us, the leafy streets of essex are bathed in mobs hunting immigranti and there was no racism before brexit at all was there, its not that people are desperatley trying to support their own pained agendas to blame all ills in the country on brexit... but a very simple maxim should be retained by those not pushing an agenda; correlation is not causation!
christ i hope you are not over 30 and are just an idealistic kid who gets his opinions from buzzfeed
Some people have selective hearing. Do you have selective reading? There was a poster that was banned for making racist comments on this thread on the morning of the referendum result. Please read up rather than post more waffle.
nut flush gooner wrote:
Ok let me explain the issues with your theory. Firstly, Indian and Chinese firms when they want to do business in Europe usually set up a satellite operation for which to sell their wares if you like to the rest of Europe. It's just totally inefficient and expensive to do this in every country.
The country of choice certainly for India given the cultural/language and historical ties is the UK less so for China. You would think that the US would naturally pick the UK as a point of access to do business in Europe, but they have already said the impact us leaving will have. Therefore, its not unreasonable to accept that we will lose out on trading contracts and ultimately jobs that would have been created in the UK.
Now given what I have already said, if we are outside the EU trade will become much more complicated. We have already discussed on this thread the time it takes to set up trade agreements and I am sure that a lot of the EU countries who noses will be put out of joint by Brexit will not be as accommodating as you would think.
UKIP where a shambles in the election, they didn't get the seats they thought they did and their leader stepped down and changed his mind! The one and only MP launched a stinging attack on Farage. Is this really a credible alternative, somehow I don't think so and so did a lot of the Tory vote.
Cameron will be in number 10 after the referendum, what makes you think he is disinterested? He worked his nuts off over getting a deal that he could take to Parliament. The only person whose playing politics is Boris Johnson.
Nut flash I'd be interested in your opinion now. I called it right with Cameron. As you are a conservative what are your thoughts now?
I am gutted that Cameron resigned tbh, and in despair over what has happened to the Conservatives. I guess the only thing that softens the blow is Labour are actually in a worst predicament.
Perhaps in hindsight the only outcome for Cameron was to fall on his sword, he would never be committed to implement article 50. I really can't see Gove winning the leadership election. What a twat he is going on national TV saying he wasn't interested in being PM then less than 2 weeks saying he is a reluctant candidate, having stabbed his mate Boris in the back. I won't vote for the Conservatives if he is PM but I certainly won't vote labour.
It's pretty scary what the referendum has done to this country, there have been lot's of accounts of racist behaviour even one of my Asian mates was subjected to abuse in Central London. I mean ffs you might understand it up north, but Central London one of the most cosmopolitan areas in the country. We've even seen examples of it on this forum.
where on this forum have there been examples of this???
so scary isnt it, what the country is now, it is falling apart around us, the leafy streets of essex are bathed in mobs hunting immigranti and there was no racism before brexit at all was there, its not that people are desperatley trying to support their own pained agendas to blame all ills in the country on brexit... but a very simple maxim should be retained by those not pushing an agenda; correlation is not causation!
christ i hope you are not over 30 and are just an idealistic kid who gets his opinions from buzzfeed
You know what I resisted the temptation to say the same to you. Please turn on spellcheck.
Personally I think anyone that believes any single word any politician says is very naive. ALL politicians are lying crooked bastards whose main interest is feathering their own nest.
Tend to agree with that . By their very nature politicians are liars , the more politicians you have the more lies you hear. All Brussels gives us is more politicians and ones that have no intention of reforming . The argument that they can be reformed from the inside is pure poppycock.
Herd wrote:I said before the vote that they wouldnt let us leave the EU even if we voted for it and to a large extent that is true even if they trigger clause 50 .
We will have to adopt a large chunk of the freedom of movement and I have no issues with that and likewise the free trade will be essential and will be done .
What it will mean though is that we wont have to treat migrants for free on the NHS or provide them with housing or welfare which will stop a lot from coming. We will also be able to refuse entry or deport those who pose a threat to our society especially DB10 as his pillaging of the UK must come to an end .
What it means is we might be able to fish off our own shores fore a change which might be nice.
Our Banking and markets wont change very much once things calm down most large utility businesses are EU owned ,we were not in the Euro anyway .
Our banks hold them same portfolios they did yesterday ,nothing much will change .
That the stock market is down , so what it was overvalued anyway .
We are weak V the dollar in the short term well so be it !
Nut Flush seems to think he's ITK on the world economy but has the insight of a sun reader .
Theres a lot of workl to do but eventually people will see we did the right thing even though its going to mean a lot of hard work !
Harsh. But fair. I'll have to start pillaging France now. Fucking not keen on watching French football though....
Mate, knotty Ash is about your limit for pillaging
Herd wrote:I said before the vote that they wouldnt let us leave the EU even if we voted for it and to a large extent that is true even if they trigger clause 50 .
We will have to adopt a large chunk of the freedom of movement and I have no issues with that and likewise the free trade will be essential and will be done .
What it will mean though is that we wont have to treat migrants for free on the NHS or provide them with housing or welfare which will stop a lot from coming. We will also be able to refuse entry or deport those who pose a threat to our society especially DB10 as his pillaging of the UK must come to an end .
What it means is we might be able to fish off our own shores fore a change which might be nice.
Our Banking and markets wont change very much once things calm down most large utility businesses are EU owned ,we were not in the Euro anyway .
Our banks hold them same portfolios they did yesterday ,nothing much will change .
That the stock market is down , so what it was overvalued anyway .
We are weak V the dollar in the short term well so be it !
Nut Flush seems to think he's ITK on the world economy but has the insight of a sun reader .
Theres a lot of workl to do but eventually people will see we did the right thing even though its going to mean a lot of hard work !
Harsh. But fair. I'll have to start pillaging France now. Fucking not keen on watching French football though....
Mate, knotty Ash is about your limit for pillaging
Still using "Knotty Ash" as you drag queen name, huh?
DB10GOONER wrote:Personally I think anyone that believes any single word any politician says is very naive. ALL politicians are lying crooked bastards whose main interest is feathering their own nest.
I agree. Here in Spain you see it at every level.
However, I'd differentiate between lying and corruption.
Any fraud or theft is despicable and the fault lies with the individuals, but I think lying is a bit more complicated. I hear people calling for honest politicians, but if they were truly honest, they'd never be elected.
Any politician who told us that the economy would be shit and that there's no way we can control immigration wouldn't get near a seat.
Or imagine a politician said, "Yeh I used to smoke and inhale and regularly get smashed, but I'm sensible now"
Someone once said we get the politicians we deserve.
Herd wrote:I said before the vote that they wouldnt let us leave the EU even if we voted for it and to a large extent that is true even if they trigger clause 50 .
We will have to adopt a large chunk of the freedom of movement and I have no issues with that and likewise the free trade will be essential and will be done .
What it will mean though is that we wont have to treat migrants for free on the NHS or provide them with housing or welfare which will stop a lot from coming. We will also be able to refuse entry or deport those who pose a threat to our society especially DB10 as his pillaging of the UK must come to an end .
What it means is we might be able to fish off our own shores fore a change which might be nice.
Our Banking and markets wont change very much once things calm down most large utility businesses are EU owned ,we were not in the Euro anyway .
Our banks hold them same portfolios they did yesterday ,nothing much will change .
That the stock market is down , so what it was overvalued anyway .
We are weak V the dollar in the short term well so be it !
Nut Flush seems to think he's ITK on the world economy but has the insight of a sun reader .
Theres a lot of workl to do but eventually people will see we did the right thing even though its going to mean a lot of hard work !
Harsh. But fair. I'll have to start pillaging France now. Fucking not keen on watching French football though....
Mate, knotty Ash is about your limit for pillaging
Even attempting to pillage Knotty Ash is a risky business.
Herd wrote:I said before the vote that they wouldnt let us leave the EU even if we voted for it and to a large extent that is true even if they trigger clause 50 .
We will have to adopt a large chunk of the freedom of movement and I have no issues with that and likewise the free trade will be essential and will be done .
What it will mean though is that we wont have to treat migrants for free on the NHS or provide them with housing or welfare which will stop a lot from coming. We will also be able to refuse entry or deport those who pose a threat to our society especially DB10 as his pillaging of the UK must come to an end .
What it means is we might be able to fish off our own shores fore a change which might be nice.
Our Banking and markets wont change very much once things calm down most large utility businesses are EU owned ,we were not in the Euro anyway .
Our banks hold them same portfolios they did yesterday ,nothing much will change .
That the stock market is down , so what it was overvalued anyway .
We are weak V the dollar in the short term well so be it !
Nut Flush seems to think he's ITK on the world economy but has the insight of a sun reader .
Theres a lot of workl to do but eventually people will see we did the right thing even though its going to mean a lot of hard work !
Harsh. But fair. I'll have to start pillaging France now. Fucking not keen on watching French football though....
Mate, knotty Ash is about your limit for pillaging
Even attempting to pillage Knotty Ash is a risky business.
If he changed it to "Barbara LePoon" - would that be better...?
Brightonnxtround wrote:Im sitting in my local costa enjoying a coffee people watching as I sometimes like to do and do you know what im feeling good wifes doing shopping pub later on family lifes good and i love this country of ours and then DB10 comes along with an aggressive tone no need no need at all !!!!
Nothing aggressive whatsoever. I'm just making sure you know where we stand.
If you're over 4 feet 10 brighton you will be standing over DB10
I'll have to start pillaging France now. Fucking not keen on watching French football though.... 
