THE WENGER THREAD

[DB10GOONER]

Okay let's pose the opposite question, when should Wenger get fired ?

3 years ago

May 2010. He had had long enough to fuck about with his vanity project at that point.

[hut160]

Yes we're having a great season so far. Yes, we are much much better than last season......what's been behind that?

Bringing in a defensive midfielder like Flamini........yes, something almost every fan and pundit has been saying for years this is what Arsenal needed and Wenger FINALLY succumbed, probably because the guy was free and desperate to play!!

Signing a genuine world class player?..........yes, something almost every fan and pundit has been saying for years that we needed.

Better defensive unit?...............yes, undoubtedly a large contribution from Mr Bould. How long have we, as fans, been calling for someone to be employed in that area but the dictator had to be in control?

Getting rid of a shit load of dead wood so they don't infest the playing squad........YES!!!!!! Once again, every football fan in the country could see that Arsenal paid and played some awfully poor footballers but through all of the above, one man oversaw and controlled ALL of the reasons we struggled year after year. Just because he has finally decided to do the bloody obvious and swallow some of that stubborn 'I know everything you know nothing' attitude, doesn't mean that Wanger is the man to take the club past this year. He has done MORE than enough in the last 8 years to deserve the sack and one decent half of a season (winning nothing) does NOT mean he has made up for all the shit we have had to go through.

I too agree with this post, the thing is AW I think has been lucky, very lucky .
Flamini trains with the squad AW sees how well he is doing and eventually signs him up, no transfer fee, reasonable wages for an very experienced player,it was a no brainer.
Mesut signing - luck not planning, he was after Higuain, we all thought he was coming, then they kept him on hold whilst sniffing around Suarez,they fucked that one up, Higuain went elsewhere and Gazidis probably said look Arsene its gone pear shaped you better find someone quick, Mesut becomes available and we sign him near the end of the window . Tell me that was all planned -no way just very very lucky.
Has SB been more involved with the defence? hope so
Give him credit for getting rid of the deadwood we still have B52 though.

However it has come about , we are definite challengers and if we keep playing like this and do not loose against the Arabs and Chelsea who are our main rivals this year I think we will be champions come May, I really do
COYG

[augie]

Okay let's pose the opposite question, when should Wenger get fired ?

According to a few, wenker should never be fired and will know himself when it is time to go

[brazilianGOONER]

I'd bet a quid that city united and the chavs all had more points at this stage in the last 3yrs - to say that those three teams are not inconsistent this year is just plain silly.

How many points have we taken off them so far this season - zero.

We've played the chavs once - lost, united once - lost.

To suggest we are much better this year is so far very unproven.

if you're analyzing points accumulated at this point, then don't forget we've managed more so far than the invincibles.

[SteveO 35]

ONE ARSENE WENGER.........THERE'S ONLY ONE ARSENE WENGER

[Steve_I]

ONE ARSENE WENGER.........THERE'S ONLY ONE ARSENE WENGER

indeed!

[falkirk goon]

ONE ARSENE WENGER.........THERE'S ONLY ONE ARSENE WENGER

Thank feck SteveO Imagine if there were two of him

Le Bumhole is still a furburger and im still 100% against

[SteveO 35]

ONE ARSENE WENGER.........THERE'S ONLY ONE ARSENE WENGER

Thank feck SteveO Imagine if there were two of him

Le Bumhole is still a furburger and im still 100% against

I've ordered you a special burger with the fur still on at the BBQ mate

[Swifty]

Also, to be fair - at some point were we not destined to leave highbury? Wasn't there always going to be a period of dark before the dawn? I still think we are destined to be a club Super Power in the medium term - I don't think there are many other clubs that can say that is even a possibility. To be honest - Man U are only one bad season away from dropping down the rungs - it's a fickle world. Let's enjoy a bit of sun while its shining.

I don't really see how you can say we're destined to be a massive club and in the next sentence suggest United are one season away from "dropping down the rungs"

Surely the things that are supposedly guaranteeing us future success - revenue streams, attractiveness to players - United are stronger in?

I can say it because Im a soothsayer and logic has no place in this forum.

[Swifty]

I'd bet a quid that city united and the chavs all had more points at this stage in the last 3yrs - to say that those three teams are not inconsistent this year is just plain silly.

How many points have we taken off them so far this season - zero.

We've played the chavs once - lost, united once - lost.

To suggest we are much better this year is so far very unproven.

if you're analyzing points accumulated at this point, then don't forget we've managed more so far than the invincibles.

Bravo!!!! Bravo!!!!
You will be shot at dawn for your positive post but long may ye live until then.

[clockender1]

The point is not how many points we have, it's how many points our rivals haven't got.

And who did we play in the 1st 11 games in 2003, TEN years ago...

[brazilianGOONER]

The point is not how many points we have, it's how many points our rivals haven't got.

And who did we play in the 1st 11 games in 2003, TEN years ago...

oh, i'm sorry, i thought it was the progress of Arsenal FC you were worried about.

we are playing like title contenders. end of. we may crash and burn during the season, that's another discussion, but the quality of football being displayed so far AND the results we are getting since february/march are simply those of champions, and if you disagree it's the negativity clouding what you see.

i'm one of those who will never forgive the lack of investment in the last few years, the fact we had manuel fucking almunia as first choice for so long, the fact we sold our best players to "rivals", and the same list you are all about to bring. i asked for wenger's head many times ever since we were fucked at old trafford couple of years back...

...but denying this is a quite excellent team we have now, playing some very good football and deffo capable of winning things, is letting the upset of seasons past influence your vision of this current one. it's how i see it. project "young squad", or project "let's spend little while we pay for the stadium" was unsuccessful and i agree wenger should be responsible for more apologies than he provided us (even though we never fell to liverpool or tottenham's low standards), but still, from what i've seen in the last year or so, i'm a happy panda.

i try to see it this way: wenger's reign as a manager was 50% perfection and joy (the first part), and 50% disappointment and underachievement. looking from a distance, that's not perfect but it's far from criminal, as some here may suggest.

[Theoperator]

Im wondering who we would replace him with anyway were he to "retire" ?

Klopp?
Moanino?
Guadiola?


Henri/ DB10/ PV4 /TA6 all I would love but they I dont think many even have their badges let alone experience. TA6 is happily living the country life anyway.
Bould?

FFS, there doesnt seem to me to be a huge list

Others mention DVD, please not , but honestly I know there have been f**k ups, but the list isnt that long IMHO- what do others say

and PLEASE dont even mention SAF coming out of retirement

[augie]

The point is not how many points we have, it's how many points our rivals haven't got.

And who did we play in the 1st 11 games in 2003, TEN years ago...

oh, i'm sorry, i thought it was the progress of Arsenal FC you were worried about.

we are playing like title contenders. end of. we may crash and burn during the season, that's another discussion, but the quality of football being displayed so far AND the results we are getting since february/march are simply those of champions, and if you disagree it's the negativity clouding what you see.

i'm one of those who will never forgive the lack of investment in the last few years, the fact we had manuel fucking almunia as first choice for so long, the fact we sold our best players to "rivals", and the same list you are all about to bring. i asked for wenger's head many times ever since we were fucked at old trafford couple of years back...

...but denying this is a quite excellent team we have now, playing some very good football and deffo capable of winning things, is letting the upset of seasons past influence your vision of this current one. it's how i see it. project "young squad", or project "let's spend little while we pay for the stadium" was unsuccessful and i agree wenger should be responsible for more apologies than he provided us (even though we never fell to liverpool or tottenham's low standards), but still, from what i've seen in the last year or so, i'm a happy panda.

i try to see it this way: wenger's reign as a manager was 50% perfection and joy (the first part), and 50% disappointment and underachievement. looking from a distance, that's not perfect but it's far from criminal, as some here may suggest.

Quantify that statement bg - anybody that has watched our games this season will tell you that our performances have been very patchy and have rarely hit the heights that you would expect from champions. The quality of football is not as good as you seem to suggest that it is so you are wrong on that point for sure. Now if you are talking about grinding out results when not playing well then I agree that is a skill that any title winning team needs to have but I would suggest that a title winning team would have to be turning in good performances on a more regular basis than we are.
There are not too many Gooners who would disagree with the suggestion that we have improved this season but to win trophies, you have to be capable of beating other teams challenging for trophies and we have done nothing to suggest that we are near that level yet

[SteveO 35]

The point is not how many points we have, it's how many points our rivals haven't got.

And who did we play in the 1st 11 games in 2003, TEN years ago...

oh, i'm sorry, i thought it was the progress of Arsenal FC you were worried about.

we are playing like title contenders. end of. we may crash and burn during the season, that's another discussion, but the quality of football being displayed so far AND the results we are getting since february/march are simply those of champions, and if you disagree it's the negativity clouding what you see.

i'm one of those who will never forgive the lack of investment in the last few years, the fact we had manuel fucking almunia as first choice for so long, the fact we sold our best players to "rivals", and the same list you are all about to bring. i asked for wenger's head many times ever since we were fucked at old trafford couple of years back...

...but denying this is a quite excellent team we have now, playing some very good football and deffo capable of winning things, is letting the upset of seasons past influence your vision of this current one. it's how i see it. project "young squad", or project "let's spend little while we pay for the stadium" was unsuccessful and i agree wenger should be responsible for more apologies than he provided us (even though we never fell to liverpool or tottenham's low standards), but still, from what i've seen in the last year or so, i'm a happy panda.

i try to see it this way: wenger's reign as a manager was 50% perfection and joy (the first part), and 50% disappointment and underachievement. looking from a distance, that's not perfect but it's far from criminal, as some here may suggest.

Quantify that statement bg - anybody that has watched our games this season will tell you that our performances have been very patchy and have rarely hit the heights that you would expect from champions. The quality of football is not as good as you seem to suggest that it is so you are wrong on that point for sure. Now if you are talking about grinding out results when not playing well then I agree that is a skill that any title winning team needs to have but I would suggest that a title winning team would have to be turning in good performances on a more regular basis than we are.
There are not too many Gooners who would disagree with the suggestion that we have improved this season but to win trophies, you have to be capable of beating other teams challenging for trophies and we have done nothing to suggest that we are near that level yet

And that is exactly the point. We have to play six games in the PL season against the 3 teams that can feasibly win the title. So far we've played one of those six games and surrendered in much the same fashion as we did last season (and most of the others in the past 6 years). We also had another glimpse of Wenger v Mourinho with the same predictable outcome of barely a shot on target and being picked off at will.

We are more consistent at beating the lesser teams, we've picked up some cracking results against some better teams too (Liverpool, Spuds etc), but I came into the season thinking one of only 3 clubs could win it and it will be those 3 clubs we need to beat. Last season we managed 2 points out of 18 against those three........so can we hold off the judgement until we've mustered something better than that pathetic total