THE WENGER THREAD

[armchair]

LOL

Arsenal sack Wenger.....
after failure to win anything for 8 years
8-2 humiliation
losing 4 goal half time lead
finishing fourth in "a two horse race"
selling their captains and best players to rivals
fans fight in stands, booing, fans divided

Just a few reasons why Wenger should have been sacked ages ago

[Theoperator]

Yes thats many peoples opinion but like them you are SO last season.

FFS try and move on, he is manager and we are top of the league

(FACT )

If or when we go on another disaster spiral then more will join with your beliefs of course.

[armchair]

Yes thats many peoples opinion but like them you are SO last season.

FFS try and move on, he is manager and we are top of the league

(FACT )

If or when we go on another disaster spiral then more will join with your beliefs of course.

[SteveO 35]

No. Im not kidding.
Wenger is responsible for dividing the fans. And causing discontent in the stands. Ironically the fighting and the subsequent publicity it created only served to add more pressure on him and we now see the on the pitch the effect that this pressure and that of the media, board, lack of projected season ticke sales have had with the sales of the "deadwood" and failed attempt to buy Rooney, Higuain, Suarez.

Too right he is you bloody turncoat wanker

[augie]

I cannot believe that I would ever read comments from any Gooner that defend/praise wenker for playing ramsey out on the wing Not alone should the senile old c**t not get praise for playing him there, but I would actually argue that he should be sectioned for playing ramsey (or wilshere for that matter) out there - he is and always will be a central player and wenker was hanging him out to dry (much like he did with the worlds greatest Danish striker a few years ago) by asking him to play in a position that is alien to him I will almost stake my life that it will be our esteemed manager that will cause the end of ramsey's wonderful run of form, by fcuking him about again to make room for others in the middle

[SteveO 35]

I cannot believe that I would ever read comments from any Gooner that defend/praise wenker for playing ramsey out on the wing Not alone should the senile old c**t not get praise for playing him there, but I would actually argue that he should be sectioned for playing ramsey (or wilshere for that matter) out there - he is and always will be a central player and wenker was hanging him out to dry (much like he did with the worlds greatest Danish striker a few years ago) by asking him to play in a position that is alien to him I will almost stake my life that it will be our esteemed manager that will cause the end of ramsey's wonderful run of form, by fcuking him about again to make room for others in the middle

I think he's getting him ready to play out wide for when the Great Abou returns next year

[brazilianGOONER]

not only i agree with ramsey and wilshere playing wide now and then (specially with theo, ox and podolski injured), i actually think wilshere has been doing better as a right winger (like in the last two games) than in central midfield.

their best positions are in the middle, but i like the idea of having a playmaker on one wing and a winger on another MUCH better than two direct wingers on both sides.

[armchair]

No. Im not kidding.
Wenger is responsible for dividing the fans. And causing discontent in the stands. Ironically the fighting and the subsequent publicity it created only served to add more pressure on him and we now see the on the pitch the effect that this pressure and that of the media, board, lack of projected season ticke sales have had with the sales of the "deadwood" and failed attempt to buy Rooney, Higuain, Suarez.

Too right he is you bloody turncoat wanker

Didn't you know? - Wenger is the new black!
Criticising him is soooo last season.
Do keep up.....

[augie]

Sincere question.....why is it that wenker is getting the credit for our top of the table results ? Same formation, same tactics and by and large the same players so what has he done that has turned things around ? If you want to be generous then you could argue that signing a DM has been the significant change but how can you give credit to him for a signing that was more by luck than design (flamini basically fell into his lap on a freebie) ? How many of us (I was far from the only one) have spent the last few years crying out for a proper DM to be signed (still think we can do better than flamoney mind) ?

In my opinion signing ozil has been the biggest factor in our improvement - ozil's performances have not set the world alight by any means but his arrival lifted the spirits of players and fans who have been pissed off losing our best players in recent seasons. I am reminded of comments by ian wright who constantly spoke about the huge lift the whole squad got when we signed the great Dennis Bergkamp back in the day and the signing of ozil mirror's that in my book. We have had a mountain of cash reserves in recent seasons, and the lack of adequate team investment has driven us barmy and that to me has been totally down to a manager that has badly misjudged the negative effect selling our best players team morale so again I fail to see how and why wenker should be viewed as the main cause of our recent winning run.

Just out of curiousity, if everyone accepts the dire need within the squad for at least one striker signing in jan, what quality will that striker have to be to appease the fans ? Given the big transfer kitty available, should we accept anything less than top quality or should we just be grateful for another striker ? Would signing another striker at the same level of quality as giroud be acceptable ?

[LDB]

Sincere question.....why is it that wenker is getting the credit for our top of the table results ? Same formation, same tactics and by and large the same players so what has he done that has turned things around ? If you want to be generous then you could argue that signing a DM has been the significant change but how can you give credit to him for a signing that was more by luck than design (flamini basically fell into his lap on a freebie) ? How many of us (I was far from the only one) have spent the last few years crying out for a proper DM to be signed (still think we can do better than flamoney mind) ?

In my opinion signing ozil has been the biggest factor in our improvement - ozil's performances have not set the world alight by any means but his arrival lifted the spirits of players and fans who have been pissed off losing our best players in recent seasons. I am reminded of comments by ian wright who constantly spoke about the huge lift the whole squad got when we signed the great Dennis Bergkamp back in the day and the signing of ozil mirror's that in my book. We have had a mountain of cash reserves in recent seasons, and the lack of adequate team investment has driven us barmy and that to me has been totally down to a manager that has badly misjudged the negative effect selling our best players team morale so again I fail to see how and why wenker should be viewed as the main cause of our recent winning run.

Just out of curiousity, if everyone accepts the dire need within the squad for at least one striker signing in jan, what quality will that striker have to be to appease the fans ? Given the big transfer kitty available, should we accept anything less than top quality or should we just be grateful for another striker ? Would signing another striker at the same level of quality as giroud be acceptable ?

What, you mean that same formation that just about every team in world football is using?

[LDB]

I cannot believe that I would ever read comments from any Gooner that defend/praise wenker for playing ramsey out on the wing Not alone should the senile old c**t not get praise for playing him there, but I would actually argue that he should be sectioned for playing ramsey (or wilshere for that matter) out there - he is and always will be a central player and wenker was hanging him out to dry (much like he did with the worlds greatest Danish striker a few years ago) by asking him to play in a position that is alien to him I will almost stake my life that it will be our esteemed manager that will cause the end of ramsey's wonderful run of form, by fcuking him about again to make room for others in the middle

Sincere question, did you actually watch any of the games where Ramsey was on the wing or just catch the last 10 minutes?

[augie]

Sincere question.....why is it that wenker is getting the credit for our top of the table results ? Same formation, same tactics and by and large the same players so what has he done that has turned things around ? If you want to be generous then you could argue that signing a DM has been the significant change but how can you give credit to him for a signing that was more by luck than design (flamini basically fell into his lap on a freebie) ? How many of us (I was far from the only one) have spent the last few years crying out for a proper DM to be signed (still think we can do better than flamoney mind) ?

In my opinion signing ozil has been the biggest factor in our improvement - ozil's performances have not set the world alight by any means but his arrival lifted the spirits of players and fans who have been pissed off losing our best players in recent seasons. I am reminded of comments by ian wright who constantly spoke about the huge lift the whole squad got when we signed the great Dennis Bergkamp back in the day and the signing of ozil mirror's that in my book. We have had a mountain of cash reserves in recent seasons, and the lack of adequate team investment has driven us barmy and that to me has been totally down to a manager that has badly misjudged the negative effect selling our best players team morale so again I fail to see how and why wenker should be viewed as the main cause of our recent winning run.

Just out of curiousity, if everyone accepts the dire need within the squad for at least one striker signing in jan, what quality will that striker have to be to appease the fans ? Given the big transfer kitty available, should we accept anything less than top quality or should we just be grateful for another striker ? Would signing another striker at the same level of quality as giroud be acceptable ?

What, you mean that same formation that just about every team in world football is using?

Off the top of my head I can think of Dortmund, real Madrid and ath Madrid who don't play that system and they are all top clubs challenging for honours (and no I aint talking 4th place trophies )

Anyway mate I think that you are missing my point - what I actually referred to was that our tactics haven't changed from last season therefore wenker shouldn't be credited when the reality is that he has done nothing differently.

Final point on tactics is actually in response to what you said - you seem to suggest that the fact that other top teams use the same formation means that wenker is correct to play that way whilst I couldn't be any more against that line of thought if I tried. There are TWO (and I mean only two) factors that should influence a managers choice of system/formation -
1. The players a manager has available to him - there is absolutely zero point in playing a system that doesn't maximise the talents/abilities of the available players and requires a manager to put square pegs in round holes (ie playing ramsey, wilshere or any other central player to play as a winger).
2. The formation the other team is using - this is obviously a concept that is totally alien to wenker but playing the same system against Bradford as you do against Barcelona is one of the most ridiculous things I have seen in recent years

[markyp]

Yes thats many peoples opinion but like them you are SO last season.

FFS try and move on, he is manager and we are top of the league

(FACT )

If or when we go on another disaster spiral then more will join with your beliefs of course.

but its only December,its where we are in may that counts,wenker is still a lady part in my eyes until he produces silverware from his butt hole

[brazilianGOONER]

2. The formation the other team is using - this is obviously a concept that is totally alien to wenker but playing the same system against Bradford as you do against Barcelona is one of the most ridiculous things I have seen in recent years

funny you should say that. barcelona, real madrid, dortmund, bayern, often play same formation/tactics against the shite teams in their leagues and against top teams in the champions league. also funny that after 17 years having wenger as our manager, there's still this discussion. we've heard him many times saying he sets his team to play to their strengths, rarely (or never) changing anything depending on opposition. and that was never a problem in '98, '02, '04, when we played the same 4-4-2 be it against small sides in the beer cup or man united at old trafford.

i would also love a bielsa type manager who goes crazy on formations, but we should probably know by now that that's not wenger's style of management, and while he surely got many things wrong in the last few years i don't think it's got to do with that style of his, i think our biggest problem was lack of real quality players on the pitch.

[g88ner]

Sincere question.....why is it that wenker is getting the credit for our top of the table results ? Same formation, same tactics and by and large the same players so what has he done that has turned things around ?

I think you're trying too hard to discredit the manager, Augie. In fact, it's very mean spirited indeed!

It's his team; his players, playing a formation that he chose. Why shouldn't he get credit?? - or maybe he shouldn't get stick when things go wrong either?