Scum Away 5th March 2016

[nut flush gooner]

There are loads of vids of him in his time as a manure player showing his ability to run past his man at pace. You can't say that he hasn't got any pace because you are wrong, and that's a fact. Quite simple really.

Wow. Condescending arrogance overload there.

Only that's not what I said, is it? I didn't say "he hasn't got any pace". I said "he has very limited pace" and I said "in the big scheme of things Welbeck has no real pace, certainly not enough to play that lone striker role in a 4-5-1". That's not saying he hasn't got any at all. My point being that people were getting carried away praising something he has a very limited amount of. Maybe you should stick to insulting people on the EU thread in the basement? Y'know, calling anyone that disagrees with you a "Daily Mail" reader? Only I'd say in that case you are wrong, and that's a fact. Quite simple really.

When you are so stubborn that you cannot see what effectively is video evidence, the point needs to be made a bit more strongly no?

[g88ner]

There are loads of vids of him in his time as a manure player showing his ability to run past his man at pace. You can't say that he hasn't got any pace because you are wrong, and that's a fact. Quite simple really.

Wow. Condescending arrogance overload there.

Only that's not what I said, is it? I didn't say "he hasn't got any pace". I said "he has very limited pace" and I said "in the big scheme of things Welbeck has no real pace, certainly not enough to play that lone striker role in a 4-5-1". That's not saying he hasn't got any at all. My point being that people were getting carried away praising something he has a very limited amount of. Maybe you should stick to insulting people on the EU thread in the basement? Y'know, calling anyone that disagrees with you a "Daily Mail" reader? Only I'd say in that case you are wrong, and that's a fact. Quite simple really.

When you are so stubborn that you cannot see what effectively is video evidence, the point needs to be made a bit more strongly no?

To be fair, Benny Hill looked quick in his videos too but I remain unconvinced of his real pace.... does that make me stubborn?!

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

There are loads of vids of him in his time as a manure player showing his ability to run past his man at pace. You can't say that he hasn't got any pace because you are wrong, and that's a fact. Quite simple really.

Wow. Condescending arrogance overload there.

Only that's not what I said, is it? I didn't say "he hasn't got any pace". I said "he has very limited pace" and I said "in the big scheme of things Welbeck has no real pace, certainly not enough to play that lone striker role in a 4-5-1". That's not saying he hasn't got any at all. My point being that people were getting carried away praising something he has a very limited amount of. Maybe you should stick to insulting people on the EU thread in the basement? Y'know, calling anyone that disagrees with you a "Daily Mail" reader? Only I'd say in that case you are wrong, and that's a fact. Quite simple really.

When you are so stubborn that you cannot see what effectively is video evidence, the point needs to be made a bit more strongly no?

To be fair, Benny Hill looked quick in his videos too but I remain unconvinced of his real pace.... does that make me stubborn?!

[arseofacrow]

A mate of mine just texted me to confirm some of the stories on here about the game.

He also went on to say that Phibbers is closed

I mean, really closed.

[DB10GOONER]

There are loads of vids of him in his time as a manure player showing his ability to run past his man at pace. You can't say that he hasn't got any pace because you are wrong, and that's a fact. Quite simple really.

Wow. Condescending arrogance overload there.

Only that's not what I said, is it? I didn't say "he hasn't got any pace". I said "he has very limited pace" and I said "in the big scheme of things Welbeck has no real pace, certainly not enough to play that lone striker role in a 4-5-1". That's not saying he hasn't got any at all. My point being that people were getting carried away praising something he has a very limited amount of. Maybe you should stick to insulting people on the EU thread in the basement? Y'know, calling anyone that disagrees with you a "Daily Mail" reader? Only I'd say in that case you are wrong, and that's a fact. Quite simple really.

When you are so stubborn that you cannot see what effectively is video evidence, the point needs to be made a bit more strongly no?

"Video evidence"? You should probably watch that "video evidence" again, huh? When Welbeck "skins" Rose, it's as much down to Rose's terrible position of standing square on as Welbeck runs at him, giving Welbeck the time to get up to speed. By the time Rose reacts and turns Welbeck is away. A decent FB would never give him a run like that, standing square on. And even then it took Welbeck a good 10 - 15 yards to get up to full tilt!

And as for the "video evidence" from a fanboy video entitled "Danny Welbeck ║► Dribbling ● Skills ● Passing and Goals for Manchester United !!" - oh dear.

I do recall Souness signing one Ali Dia based on a phone call and a bit of video!!

[nut flush gooner]

There are loads of vids of him in his time as a manure player showing his ability to run past his man at pace. You can't say that he hasn't got any pace because you are wrong, and that's a fact. Quite simple really.

Wow. Condescending arrogance overload there.

Only that's not what I said, is it? I didn't say "he hasn't got any pace". I said "he has very limited pace" and I said "in the big scheme of things Welbeck has no real pace, certainly not enough to play that lone striker role in a 4-5-1". That's not saying he hasn't got any at all. My point being that people were getting carried away praising something he has a very limited amount of. Maybe you should stick to insulting people on the EU thread in the basement? Y'know, calling anyone that disagrees with you a "Daily Mail" reader? Only I'd say in that case you are wrong, and that's a fact. Quite simple really.

When you are so stubborn that you cannot see what effectively is video evidence, the point needs to be made a bit more strongly no?

"Video evidence"? You should probably watch that "video evidence" again, huh? When Welbeck "skins" Rose, it's as much down to Rose's terrible position of standing square on as Welbeck runs at him, giving Welbeck the time to get up to speed. By the time Rose reacts and turns Welbeck is away. A decent FB would never give him a run like that, standing square on. And even then it took Welbeck a good 10 - 15 yards to get up to full tilt!

And as for the "video evidence" from a fanboy video entitled "Danny Welbeck ║► Dribbling ● Skills ● Passing and Goals for Manchester United !!" - oh dear.

I do recall Souness signing one Ali Dia based on a phone call and a bit of video!!

His run vs rose was over half the length of the pitch! If rose is oop, then hes got plenty of grass to make up the ground and rose is no slouch either. There is nothing that you can say/have said that even comes close to proving that Wellbeck has no pace.

[DB10GOONER]

There are loads of vids of him in his time as a manure player showing his ability to run past his man at pace. You can't say that he hasn't got any pace because you are wrong, and that's a fact. Quite simple really.

Wow. Condescending arrogance overload there.

Only that's not what I said, is it? I didn't say "he hasn't got any pace". I said "he has very limited pace" and I said "in the big scheme of things Welbeck has no real pace, certainly not enough to play that lone striker role in a 4-5-1". That's not saying he hasn't got any at all. My point being that people were getting carried away praising something he has a very limited amount of. Maybe you should stick to insulting people on the EU thread in the basement? Y'know, calling anyone that disagrees with you a "Daily Mail" reader? Only I'd say in that case you are wrong, and that's a fact. Quite simple really.

When you are so stubborn that you cannot see what effectively is video evidence, the point needs to be made a bit more strongly no?

"Video evidence"? You should probably watch that "video evidence" again, huh? When Welbeck "skins" Rose, it's as much down to Rose's terrible position of standing square on as Welbeck runs at him, giving Welbeck the time to get up to speed. By the time Rose reacts and turns Welbeck is away. A decent FB would never give him a run like that, standing square on. And even then it took Welbeck a good 10 - 15 yards to get up to full tilt!

And as for the "video evidence" from a fanboy video entitled "Danny Welbeck ║► Dribbling ● Skills ● Passing and Goals for Manchester United !!" - oh dear.

I do recall Souness signing one Ali Dia based on a phone call and a bit of video!!

His run vs rose was over half the length of the pitch! If rose is oop, then hes got plenty of grass to make up the ground and rose is no slouch either. There is nothing that you can say/have said that even comes close to proving that Wellbeck has no pace.

Again, you're so quick to get offended and "annoyed" by someone with a different opinion that you haven't actually read what was written. I wrote Welbeck has limited pace. Not saying he has no pace. But he certainly doesn't have the type of pace you (and a couple others) are crediting him with. Maybe stick to the YouTube videos, huh?

[nut flush gooner]

Limited pace. Sounds like a contradiction in terms tbh. The videos prove that he has an abundance of pace, not the quickest but quick enough to trouble most prem league defences. That doesn't suggest "limited pace".

[DB10GOONER]

Limited pace. Sounds like a contradiction in terms tbh. The videos prove that he has an abundance of pace, not the quickest but quick enough to trouble most prem league defences. That doesn't suggest "limited pace".

You don't seem to understand pace then. Limited pace would mean that he doesn't have pure pace like say Walcott or Bellerin that can hit full tilt within 2 or 3 yards and sustain that high tempo pace for 70+ yards if need be. Welbeck takes 10 - 15 yards to get up to full tilt (your Rose video actually shows and proves that!! ) and can only sustain it for maybe 40 - 50 yards max. He also doesn't have that 3 - 5 yard standing-start burst like Wilshere does. Do you see the difference? That would make his pace "limited".

Watch Welbeck in our games, not on fanboy YouTube videos, and you'll note the amount of times he fails to outpace oppo defenders is often greater than the amount of times he succeeds.

I'm not denigrating him as a player, just commenting on these silly sweeping generalizations that some people make about players. "Walcott makes great runs off the ball", "Mertesacker makes up for his slowness by great reading of the game and positioning", etc etc. No they don't.

Personally I like Welbeck, he puts in a shift but he is not the answer to a team that wants to win the PL, especially a team that is stuck playing 4-5-1 and needs a player up front with a great touch and real pace.

[nut flush gooner]

Limited pace. Sounds like a contradiction in terms tbh. The videos prove that he has an abundance of pace, not the quickest but quick enough to trouble most prem league defences. That doesn't suggest "limited pace".

You don't seem to understand pace then. Limited pace would mean that he doesn't have pure pace like say Walcott or Bellerin that can hit full tilt within 2 or 3 yards and sustain that high tempo pace for 70+ yards if need be. Welbeck takes 10 - 15 yards to get up to full tilt (your Rose video actually shows and proves that!! ) and can only sustain it for maybe 40 - 50 yards max. He also doesn't have that 3 - 5 yard standing-start burst like Wilshere does. Do you see the difference? That would make his pace "limited".

Watch Welbeck in our games, not on fanboy YouTube videos, and you'll note the amount of times he fails to outpace oppo defenders is often greater than the amount of times he succeeds.

I'm not denigrating him as a player, just commenting on these silly sweeping generalizations that some people make about players. "Walcott makes great runs off the ball", "Mertesacker makes up for his slowness by great reading of the game and positioning", etc etc. No they don't.

Personally I like Welbeck, he puts in a shift but he is not the answer to a team that wants to win the PL, especially a team that is stuck playing 4-5-1 and needs a player up front with a great touch and real pace.

No no no did I say no!!! I am sat 7 rows from the front of the north bank pretty much every home game. Your claim that he has limited pace in short bursts is just wrong. I've seen him take on defenders from a standing start and go past them as well as run onto passes all within the final third. His pace is not limited!

[DB10GOONER]

Limited pace. Sounds like a contradiction in terms tbh. The videos prove that he has an abundance of pace, not the quickest but quick enough to trouble most prem league defences. That doesn't suggest "limited pace".

You don't seem to understand pace then. Limited pace would mean that he doesn't have pure pace like say Walcott or Bellerin that can hit full tilt within 2 or 3 yards and sustain that high tempo pace for 70+ yards if need be. Welbeck takes 10 - 15 yards to get up to full tilt (your Rose video actually shows and proves that!! ) and can only sustain it for maybe 40 - 50 yards max. He also doesn't have that 3 - 5 yard standing-start burst like Wilshere does. Do you see the difference? That would make his pace "limited".

Watch Welbeck in our games, not on fanboy YouTube videos, and you'll note the amount of times he fails to outpace oppo defenders is often greater than the amount of times he succeeds.

I'm not denigrating him as a player, just commenting on these silly sweeping generalizations that some people make about players. "Walcott makes great runs off the ball", "Mertesacker makes up for his slowness by great reading of the game and positioning", etc etc. No they don't.

Personally I like Welbeck, he puts in a shift but he is not the answer to a team that wants to win the PL, especially a team that is stuck playing 4-5-1 and needs a player up front with a great touch and real pace.

No no no did I say no!!! I am sat 7 rows from the front of the north bank pretty much every home game. Your claim that he has limited pace in short bursts is just wrong. I've seen him take on defenders from a standing start and go past them as well as run onto passes all within the final third. His pace is not limited!

We are never going to agree on this so let's just leave it at you are wrong and I am right.

[nut flush gooner]

Limited pace. Sounds like a contradiction in terms tbh. The videos prove that he has an abundance of pace, not the quickest but quick enough to trouble most prem league defences. That doesn't suggest "limited pace".

You don't seem to understand pace then. Limited pace would mean that he doesn't have pure pace like say Walcott or Bellerin that can hit full tilt within 2 or 3 yards and sustain that high tempo pace for 70+ yards if need be. Welbeck takes 10 - 15 yards to get up to full tilt (your Rose video actually shows and proves that!! ) and can only sustain it for maybe 40 - 50 yards max. He also doesn't have that 3 - 5 yard standing-start burst like Wilshere does. Do you see the difference? That would make his pace "limited".

Watch Welbeck in our games, not on fanboy YouTube videos, and you'll note the amount of times he fails to outpace oppo defenders is often greater than the amount of times he succeeds.

I'm not denigrating him as a player, just commenting on these silly sweeping generalizations that some people make about players. "Walcott makes great runs off the ball", "Mertesacker makes up for his slowness by great reading of the game and positioning", etc etc. No they don't.

Personally I like Welbeck, he puts in a shift but he is not the answer to a team that wants to win the PL, especially a team that is stuck playing 4-5-1 and needs a player up front with a great touch and real pace.

No no no did I say no!!! I am sat 7 rows from the front of the north bank pretty much every home game. Your claim that he has limited pace in short bursts is just wrong. I've seen him take on defenders from a standing start and go past them as well as run onto passes all within the final third. His pace is not limited!

This vid illustrates it quite well, look at the runs he's made from a standing start a trick and hes gone and they aren't catching him!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hukla343qHM

Just saying all this shit about fanboys is stupid tbh. You have nothing concrete to back up your arguement.

[DB10GOONER]

Limited pace. Sounds like a contradiction in terms tbh. The videos prove that he has an abundance of pace, not the quickest but quick enough to trouble most prem league defences. That doesn't suggest "limited pace".

You don't seem to understand pace then. Limited pace would mean that he doesn't have pure pace like say Walcott or Bellerin that can hit full tilt within 2 or 3 yards and sustain that high tempo pace for 70+ yards if need be. Welbeck takes 10 - 15 yards to get up to full tilt (your Rose video actually shows and proves that!! ) and can only sustain it for maybe 40 - 50 yards max. He also doesn't have that 3 - 5 yard standing-start burst like Wilshere does. Do you see the difference? That would make his pace "limited".

Watch Welbeck in our games, not on fanboy YouTube videos, and you'll note the amount of times he fails to outpace oppo defenders is often greater than the amount of times he succeeds.

I'm not denigrating him as a player, just commenting on these silly sweeping generalizations that some people make about players. "Walcott makes great runs off the ball", "Mertesacker makes up for his slowness by great reading of the game and positioning", etc etc. No they don't.

Personally I like Welbeck, he puts in a shift but he is not the answer to a team that wants to win the PL, especially a team that is stuck playing 4-5-1 and needs a player up front with a great touch and real pace.

No no no did I say no!!! I am sat 7 rows from the front of the north bank pretty much every home game. Your claim that he has limited pace in short bursts is just wrong. I've seen him take on defenders from a standing start and go past them as well as run onto passes all within the final third. His pace is not limited!

This vid illustrates it quite well, look at the runs he's made from a standing start a trick and hes gone and they aren't catching him!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hukla343qHM

Just saying all this shit about fanboys is stupid tbh. You have nothing concrete to back up your arguement.

Oh, ok.

Nothing concrete?? And then you select a highly subjective video that only demonstrates your point?

Look. Players (all players) have their moments, they have their day. That does NOT mean they are consistent. We've all seen Giroud score a few goals that Henry would have been proud of. I'm sure you can go on YouTube and find a FANBOY video showing Giroud scoring screamers and beautiful tricky flicky goals. Does that now mean Giroud is a top class striker? Fuck no. You probably think Ramsey is one of the best backheelers of a ball in world football. After all he just scored a beauty against the scum with a deft backheel (you can probably find a video of that too on YouTube!). Never mind the other 30 or so backheels that have lost possession over the last several games, huh?

WATCH Welbeck. Really watch him. Don't leave the game with just that one lovely warm rosy memory of that one great run he made where he outpaced someone. Watch the amount of times he gets outpaced. You will be surprised.

[augie]

Can some fu.cker please lock or delete this thread ? These two bitches will keep this argument going forever

[Herd]

Pedantic V Patronising those two most wholesome of traits !