Van Persie saga, officially not extending contract.

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1989 wrote:Fuck RVP, fuck Wenger and fuck Gazidis. Fuck em all.
Sums things up perfectly.

But you forgot Stan Kroenke :oops:

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Cockerill's chin wrote:Gazidis quote from 2009:
'We believe transfer spending is the last resort. That's a sensible view to have. Re-signing existing players is a far more efficient system.
http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/7 ... ing-policy
Oh yes I remember this one. What an absolute moron, I genuinely can't explain in words how much this *word censored* infuriates me.

Seriously, what has to happen for us to protest? I'm so up for letting those *word censored* in charge know what we think of em....

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Zimgooner wrote:
Vinny1967 wrote:Yeah I don't understand that position mate.
No you wouldn't until you put your thinking cap on.
Vinny1967 wrote:2 years left on his contract and we have a guy who for the precious six years have missed at least half of every season thru injury. I think people would have slated the board for giving him another contract to be honest.
I also wonder how easy it is to actually get someone to sign a contract. How is that done, do they actually tie the guy down and torture him ?
I take that when you mention RvP's injury record, you're suggesting that he didn't have a long term future until this season gone! That's nowhere near true. Arsene made him captain cause he believed he had a future at the club & that's the time he should have pushed for a new contract.
Vinny1967 wrote:Personally I think it's very easy for people to slate Wenger and the board for this when the reality is there is so many different motivations at work we actually don't know the story or even of it was anyone's fault.
Flamini, Nasri, Cesc and now RvP.....whom are we supposed to blame? They get paid to do this fucking job so abviously must carry the can for all the fuck ups.
Sorry, I didn't realise that you were the only one thinking and nobody else is :lol: :lol:
This from a guy who doesn't care if we get nothing for him :lol:

You didn't answer my question.
How do they physically get someone to sign a contract. Would it involve torture ??

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QuartzGooner wrote:
Vinny1967 wrote:
QuartzGooner wrote:
Vinny1967 wrote:
swimmer1 wrote:Can't beleive most people think Rvp is doing the right thing club captain announcing things on his website class act did not see cesc Henry or veira doing that at least they showed a bit of class
This :high5:

I actually find it insulting to the club to be honest.

As for his statement. I have read all the comments posted since and am slightly taken back at people's view that this is his actual reason for 'leaving' i.e. He is leaving because of a difference in vision for the club.
He is hardly going to issue a statement stating that he would prefer to earn 200k a week sitting on a bench in Manchester is he ?
Would also be worried about what this does for Walcott as well as I would like him to stay and fulfill the undoubted potential he has.
The signings of Giroud and Pod are good but we know also need a top class striker to add to our squad.

Thanks for the memories RVP, you could have shown a bit more class than reporting in this way, NEXT.

:barscarf:
Such as how?

A TV interview?
Would that be any different.

I think his statement is fascinating and far franker than what others have done, more respectful than Nasri's.
A joint Statement Quartz.
I just find it disrespectful that the club was not aware of this statement and I felt he owed us that.

Am not in any way saying that the statement is not interesting but there are still questions to be answered because of it and may lead to the club not getting market value for him.
I do not know for sure, but I reckon the club guessed he would be going after the stalemate coffee morning at Chez Wenger so forked out for Giroud.
Podolski was a bit different, I think he was meant to be Arshavin's replacement.

As for RvP's market value, that is where Gazidis has to earn his salary and play hardball.

But as others have said, why let RvP get down to one year on the contract?

That is fine for someone such as Yennaris or even Coquelin who has to prove their worth, but proven quality players should have contract extensions when the club has the upper hand, not when there is a year left and the player has the leverage advantage.
With his injury record I would not be offering him an extension on his contract. The reality is he has given us one season. We all know he is a world class player but unfortunately has not been able to show that until this season. If they did give him 130k a week last summer and he received another bad injury this place would have been calling them gobshites given his injury record. The way I see it is they were damned if they do and damned if they don't.

I reckon your right that the Club knew or had a gut feeling after the meeting prior to the Euros.
I just wish it had been handled better by both the club and RVP as this leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

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Vinny1967 wrote:Sorry, I didn't realise that you were the only one thinking and nobody else is :lol: :lol:
This from a guy who doesn't care if we get nothing for him :lol:

You didn't answer my question.
How do they physically get someone to sign a contract. Would it involve torture ??
The last statement you make confirms that in this conversation between us, yes I am the only one that's thinking. Why would Arsenal or anyone get physical to get someone to sign contract? Arsenal had the opportunity to offer RvP a contract extension with revised terms long before approaching the end of the current. Evidence shows that players that get offered contract extensions early, agree to them. Arsenal didn't and here we are. Again whose fault is that?

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Monkeymaw wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKksMZdJ ... embedded#!

This guys not happy.
He seems like a guy that buys into the hype about "Next season we will win the league".

Improve on last season's start?
Yes, as long as Arteta stays fit and Giroud is not a dud.
But not improve to title winning standard unless there is a significant change in the club's spending.

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Zimgooner wrote:
Vinny1967 wrote:Sorry, I didn't realise that you were the only one thinking and nobody else is :lol: :lol:
This from a guy who doesn't care if we get nothing for him :lol:

You didn't answer my question.
How do they physically get someone to sign a contract. Would it involve torture ??
The last statement you make confirms that in this conversation between us, yes I am the only one that's thinking. Why would Arsenal or anyone get physical to get someone to sign contract? Arsenal had the opportunity to offer RvP a contract extension with revised terms long before approaching the end of the current. Evidence shows that players that get offered contract extensions early, agree to them. Arsenal didn't and here we are. Again whose fault is that?
And as I clearly stated I would not have offered him an extension on his contract last year given his injury record.
All it is , is Hindsight and Arsenal are not the only club to have players get to within the last two years of their contract without extending them. Players have been given long term contracts and I assume when Vela, Denilson, Djourou et all were breaking through people were happy that they were signed on long term contracts, I know I was, and look how that turned out. I don't think it's an exact science and it's not as black and white as people are making out.

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Dan_85 wrote:
Cockerill's chin wrote:Gazidis quote from 2009:
'We believe transfer spending is the last resort. That's a sensible view to have. Re-signing existing players is a far more efficient system.
http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/7 ... ing-policy
Oh yes I remember this one. What an absolute moron, I genuinely can't explain in words how much this *word censored* infuriates me.

Seriously, what has to happen for us to protest? I'm so up for letting those *word censored* in charge know what we think of em....
But while he acts like an idiot he has made a good point imo. Who does van Persie think he is? Ronaldo? He had maybe one and a half great seasons and now thinks Arsenal can't match his ambition? Are you serious? Well if he thinks so.. but honestly I think it's a joke.

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Henry Norris 1913 wrote:no man is bigger than Arsenal FC. Thanks Robin your the 8 years of service, now fuck off for as much money as possible so we can get on and win things with players that care enough to stay.

UTA :barscarf:
Unfortunately mate Wenger is. :( Thats the problem in a nutshell. :(

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kite wrote:
Dan_85 wrote:
Cockerill's chin wrote:Gazidis quote from 2009:
'We believe transfer spending is the last resort. That's a sensible view to have. Re-signing existing players is a far more efficient system.
http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/7 ... ing-policy
Oh yes I remember this one. What an absolute moron, I genuinely can't explain in words how much this *word censored* infuriates me.

Seriously, what has to happen for us to protest? I'm so up for letting those *word censored* in charge know what we think of em....
But while he acts like an idiot he has made a good point imo. Who does van Persie think he is? Ronaldo? He had maybe one and a half great seasons and now thinks Arsenal can't match his ambition? Are you serious? Well if he thinks so.. but honestly I think it's a joke.
Despite having "one and a half good seasons" he became our 8th highest goal scorer of all time. Yes his injury record is not great, but the guy is quality & really the only last remaining world class player in our squad. We failed to match his ambition and surround him with the team mates that a player of his quality deserves. I don't blame him for leaving.

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kite wrote:
Dan_85 wrote:
Cockerill's chin wrote:Gazidis quote from 2009:
'We believe transfer spending is the last resort. That's a sensible view to have. Re-signing existing players is a far more efficient system.
http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/7 ... ing-policy
Oh yes I remember this one. What an absolute moron, I genuinely can't explain in words how much this *word censored* infuriates me.

Seriously, what has to happen for us to protest? I'm so up for letting those *word censored* in charge know what we think of em....
But while he acts like an idiot he has made a good point imo. Who does van Persie think he is? Ronaldo? He had maybe one and a half great seasons and now thinks Arsenal can't match his ambition? Are you serious? Well if he thinks so.. but honestly I think it's a joke.
He is Dutch. What can I say :lol: :wink: :box: Just kidding.

I personally think his statement is a load of crap and just using 'club direction' as an excuse.
Apart from RVP Who knows what his motivations for leaving are ?

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armchair supporter wrote:
Henry Norris 1913 wrote:no man is bigger than Arsenal FC. Thanks Robin your the 8 years of service, now fuck off for as much money as possible so we can get on and win things with players that care enough to stay.

UTA :barscarf:
Unfortunately mate Wenger is. :( Thats the problem in a nutshell. :(
too true pal

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Dan_85 wrote: Despite having "one and a half good seasons" he became our 8th highest goal scorer of all time. Yes his injury record is not great, but the guy is quality & really the only last remaining world class player in our squad. We failed to match his ambition and surround him with the team mates that a player of his quality deserves. I don't blame him for leaving.
Van Persie is a really good player but that's it. There are better strikers out there, belive me. He scored a lot of goals for Arsenal because of your system. I am 100% sure he won't score 20 goals or even more in the league next season. I won't say mark my words this time 8) :lol:
Just buy Huntelaar and you have an upgrade :barscarf:
Vinny1967 wrote: He is Dutch. What can I say :lol: :wink: :box: Just kidding.

I personally think his statement is a load of crap and just using 'club direction' as an excuse.
Apart from RVP Who knows what his motivations for leaving are ?
He came from Rotterdam.. what can I say :wink: :lol:
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Wenger is not the problem in this case, he's been unusualy public about wanting to keep him at all cots and we all know he wants to pay top dollar to keep him, the wage structure he has been big on is not working and he wanted it changed for Nasri don't forget.

The blame lies with Stan and Gazidis on this.

Wenger is to blame for a lot of things but losing van Persie is not one of them.

Van Persie is sly, you can not question ambition when the club is doing the opposite to what they usually do in the summer transfer windows, its July and 2 international strikers have signed not 2 kids, City probably offered him silly money and he's trying to force the issue as the club probably told him they won't sell to them.

He's a wanker.

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