THE WENGER THREAD

[DB10GOONER]

You have to admit that many players praise Wenger for what he did for their career but this selling players has made a huge difference.
I dont think any manager would improve on what we are doing unless we had a new owner. Look at Liverpool.
Also big signings are not always the answers.
Carrol 32 Million = Fail
Torres 50 Million = Fail
5 or 6 City big signings = Fail

But very few on here are asking for loads of big signings! Just a few quality ones in key positions and a clear out of the dross that are getting paid huge wages only top players should get. And that is the equivalent of a failed big signing - when you pay a failed shit player huge money every week for years on end and they deliver fuck all.

[flash gunner]

Babatunde is the only person who makes me want Wenger in!!! and even Wenger doesnt do that

[flash gunner]

Well we are where we are with it now, and I agree that the club could not have envisaged the economic collapse to the extent that it happened......anymore than the executives running Lehman Brothers or many other businesses around the world

In many ways the stadium move was very bold commercially - which makes me wonder now having taken that bold step, that the club has retreated into its shell. This happened before Kroenke's takeover. Debt relative to earnings is pretty moderate even by today's standards

We knew that Manchester United would always be a threat. Personally I think we knew Chelsea were a threat when we pushed through with the refinancing of the club in 2005, so my argument is that domestically only Manchester City's emergence has really changed the landscape. Spurs and Liverpool are still where they are - arguably worse off because they both envisaged stadium moves would be well underway by now and are running into huge problems. The Mickeys have suffered a couple of lost years under Gillett and Hicks too in that time. I think we could have pushed well ahead of those two had we reinvested only 50m-80m over the past 2 years, to the extent that the top 4 was a closed shop once more (albeit with different entrants).

I really think with our earnings stream we should be positioning ourselves up squadwise to be 15-20 points clear of the 5th placed club. 3 players of 15-20m each this Summer would have made that a certainty

Yeah I agree it was a pretty bold move and our debt is very manageable from what I have read. (On this issue would it be an idea for a thread on our finances as I read posts by Quartz and others that seem very knowledgeable on this issue and it might be an idea to share this knowledge so simpletons like me could understand them more, Might do some research myself).I read on RAWK that Liverpool have already spent over 50 million on plans for a new stadium and that is without purchasing any premises/properties. Am not sure how true that is. Either way I would guess that with construction starting in Feb 2004, we would have lost a large amount of monies if we had of shelved the project based on Abramovich's purchase of Chelsea 7 months previously. Am not sure I agree with you about foreseeing what he has done since as being foreseeable but it is arguable.

I'm feeling pretty confident that we could compete for the championship this season if we are lucky with injuries. With JW due back I think we could have a midfield at least as good as anyone else in the League and if our defence continue to show the same organisation and workrate we could compete. What worries me is upfront as I think we are short. A lot depends on Giroud and if he fails or gets injured we are left with Cham/Pod or Feo. Taking Pod from the middle may effect us as I'm loving his workrate and physicality.

NOT a good idea. We had a financial thread on here before and it was utter shite. Too many ITK's that actually knew fuck all pontificating about stuff they knew fuck all about. A kúnt to moderate too.

Full of faux accountants trying to out do eachother with their inside knowledge of absolutely fuck all

[northbankbren]

I dont think any manager would improve on what we are doing unless we had a new owner.

I agree 100% with this. While we continue with the current owner and board nothing will change even under a new manager.

[green gooner]

Chamge the word 'accountants' to 'supporters' in that line Flash, and that would just about sum us all up

[flash gunner]

Chamge the word 'accountants' to 'supporters' in that line Flash, and that would just about sum us all up

too true mate

[supergeorgegraham]

You have to admit that many players praise Wenger for what he did for their career but this selling players has made a huge difference.
I dont think any manager would improve on what we are doing unless we had a new owner. Look at Liverpool.
Also big signings are not always the answers.
Carrol 32 Million = Fail
Torres 50 Million = Fail
5 or 6 City big signings = Fail

But very few on here are asking for loads of big signings! Just a few quality ones in key positions and a clear out of the dross that are getting paid huge wages only top players should get. And that is the equivalent of a failed big signing - when you pay a failed shit player huge money every week for years on end and they deliver fuck all.

I totally agree with that.

[silus]

Babatunde is the only person who makes me want Wenger in!!! and even Wenger doesnt do that

[Vinny1967]

Fair enough lads
Was just thinking out loud was all.

[OneBardGooner]

Thinking out loud eh!? Now there's a novelty for a Gooner!

[DB10GOONER]

I dont think any manager would improve on what we are doing unless we had a new owner.

I agree 100% with this. While we continue with the current owner and board nothing will change even under a new manager.

Whilst not excusing the part the Board plays in our current shitness, I don't agree that nothing will change under a new manager. A new manager will work within the boundaries of what he has to work with. And that is the problem; Wenger works poorly within those boundaries.

The right man will decide not to renew certain shit players' contracts, and it is Wenger who decides (or at the very least advises the Board) who stays and who goes. A new manager will decide to develop a Plan B, and develop some tactics. He might not be able to go and buy Messi (as Wenger also can't) but he can decide not to give extended improved contracts and pay rises to shit like Flappy, Bendtner, Song, Vela, Denilson, Almunia, etc etc etc.

Not pointing at you here Bren, but too many AKB's offer this "nothing will change until the Board is changed no matter who manages the team" bollocks as an excuse for Wenger.

[OneBardGooner]

I have hopes that AW will feck off next year - Just in time for Pep Guardiola to come back from his extended holiday...we would then see Arsenal play (tippy tappy) football...but with Trophies at the end of it! ...I can just hear it know Per Guardiola's Red Army!

[flash gunner]

I have hopes that AW will feck off next year - Just in time for Pep Guardiola to come back from his extended holiday...we would then see Arsenal play (tippy tappy) football...but with Trophies at the end of it! ...I can just hear it know Per Guardiola's Red Army!

Peps the luckiest manager in footballing history. FACT.

[goonersid]

I have hopes that AW will feck off next year - Just in time for Pep Guardiola to come back from his extended holiday...we would then see Arsenal play (tippy tappy) football...but with Trophies at the end of it! ...I can just hear it know Per Guardiola's Red Army!

Peps the luckiest manager in footballing history. FACT.

Agreed Flash, it took Mourinho just 2 seasons to bring down the Barca empire and Guardiola quit as soon as the going got tough

[flash gunner]

I have hopes that AW will feck off next year - Just in time for Pep Guardiola to come back from his extended holiday...we would then see Arsenal play (tippy tappy) football...but with Trophies at the end of it! ...I can just hear it know Per Guardiola's Red Army!

Peps the luckiest manager in footballing history. FACT.

Agreed Flash, it took Mourinho just 2 seasons to bring down the Barca empire and Guardiola quit as soon as the going got tough

True Sidney