Olivier Giroud - Another Alan Smith or "Le Chapman"?

[northbank123]

I think/hope I made it clear in earlier posts that I was dissecting his stats in response to the somewhat alarming number of people who put forward the point that his goalscoring stats are actually good for his first season in English football, which is offered up far more than any actual defence of his abilities and general contributions. Unfortunately it's all too easy to try and counter any criticism with "it's his first season in a new league etc etc".

[DB10GOONER]

I think/hope I made it clear in earlier posts that I was dissecting his stats in response to the somewhat alarming number of people who put forward the point that his goalscoring stats are actually good for his first season in English football, which is offered up far more than any actual defence of his abilities and general contributions. Unfortunately it's all too easy to try and counter any criticism with "it's his first season in a new league etc etc".

Yeah, I agree about the number of goals. He's done "ok" but not good enough for a club of our supposed aspirations. "OK" might be good enough at Stoke or Wigan but it should never be good enough for us, with the ticket prices we pay and the known wealth the club has generated and 2 billionaires owning stock...

But then we are talking about a manager/Board that renewed and improved conntracts for shit like Song, Legohead, Bendtner, Vela, Mannone, Flappy, Almunia, Camel, Djourou and wasters like Diaby and Arshavings when they had done simply fuck all to deserve it. The money we spent on their wages alone would have signed at least 2 maybe 3 world class players and paid them handsomely too.

We encourage failure. Shocking state of affairs.

[kiwomya]

I think/hope I made it clear in earlier posts that I was dissecting his stats in response to the somewhat alarming number of people who put forward the point that his goalscoring stats are actually good for his first season in English football, which is offered up far more than any actual defence of his abilities and general contributions. Unfortunately it's all too easy to try and counter any criticism with "it's his first season in a new league etc etc".

I just think in todays market we got what we paid for. That's by no means a defence as I agree Giroud's been pretty poor this season given the chances/appearances he's had.

I said it before but the longer we purchase players in this price bracket the longer we'll be disappointed by the outcome.

[northbank123]

I think/hope I made it clear in earlier posts that I was dissecting his stats in response to the somewhat alarming number of people who put forward the point that his goalscoring stats are actually good for his first season in English football, which is offered up far more than any actual defence of his abilities and general contributions. Unfortunately it's all too easy to try and counter any criticism with "it's his first season in a new league etc etc".

I just think in todays market we got what we paid for. That's by no means a defence as I agree Giroud's been pretty poor this season given the chances/appearances he's had.

I said it before but the longer we purchase players in this price bracket the longer we'll be disappointed by the outcome.

I agree with the overriding principle that if we're paying lemonade money we ain't going to get champagne players! Although £10m isn't that insignificant and I would still have hoped for better.

[franksav63]

I think/hope I made it clear in earlier posts that I was dissecting his stats in response to the somewhat alarming number of people who put forward the point that his goalscoring stats are actually good for his first season in English football, which is offered up far more than any actual defence of his abilities and general contributions. Unfortunately it's all too easy to try and counter any criticism with "it's his first season in a new league etc etc".

I just think in todays market we got what we paid for. That's by no means a defence as I agree Giroud's been pretty poor this season given the chances/appearances he's had.

I said it before but the longer we purchase players in this price bracket the longer we'll be disappointed by the outcome.

I agree with the overriding principle that if we're paying lemonade money we ain't going to get champagne players! Although £10m isn't that insignificant and I would still have hoped for better.

10m isn't when compared to Michu... and didn't Wenger come out with some crap about him when he was available before going to Swansea? Something about he didn't like Michu's playing record at not staying at his previous teams very long?

[DB10GOONER]

I think/hope I made it clear in earlier posts that I was dissecting his stats in response to the somewhat alarming number of people who put forward the point that his goalscoring stats are actually good for his first season in English football, which is offered up far more than any actual defence of his abilities and general contributions. Unfortunately it's all too easy to try and counter any criticism with "it's his first season in a new league etc etc".

I just think in todays market we got what we paid for. That's by no means a defence as I agree Giroud's been pretty poor this season given the chances/appearances he's had.

I said it before but the longer we purchase players in this price bracket the longer we'll be disappointed by the outcome.

I agree with the overriding principle that if we're paying lemonade money we ain't going to get champagne players! Although £10m isn't that insignificant and I would still have hoped for better.

10m isn't when compared to Michu... and didn't Wenger come out with some crap about him when he was available before going to Swansea? Something about he didn't like Michu's playing record at not staying at his previous teams very long?

Michu has had a good season, agreed, Fwank. But I get the feeling with him that he's the new Le Tiss - the big fish in the small pond. There is no guarantee that he would have been a success at The Arsenal, same as there was no guarantee that Giroud would be. You take a punt. Sometimes you get Henry, sometimes you get Chamakh!

[northbank123]

I think sometimes Michu is overused as a comparator - he can hardly be used as a benchmark £2m player, very much the exception rather than the norm.

[p206ab]

Giroud is out for the season. Appeal denied so 4 games ban it is.

[kiwomya]

Giroud is out for the season. Appeal denied so 4 games ban it is.

3 game ban stands. No further game added mate.

[Eboue-Why?]

Old edition of the Tuesday Club but a good clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBGAawmvlqo

[spendsum4uckingmoney]

I blame the scouts more than AW. It seems like our scouts just go for the easy target. What player is doing well in an average league, and who isn't attracting interest from big clubs we will sign.

If we don't finish in top 4 the whole club is to blame top down. Awful scouts, physios, players, coaches, board etc. Complete failure. Spurs are paying atleast 2/5ths less wages and are out performing us. We can no longer say we are a well run club.

[Number 5]

How much did Villa pay for Benteke?

[spendsum4uckingmoney]

How much did Villa pay for Benteke?

7m

[Perryashburtongroves]

I blame the scouts more than AW. It seems like our scouts just go for the easy target. What player is doing well in an average league, and who isn't attracting interest from big clubs we will sign.

If we don't finish in top 4 the whole club is to blame top down. Awful scouts, physios, players, coaches, board etc. Complete failure. Spurs are paying atleast 2/5ths less wages and are out performing us. We can no longer say we are a well run club.

To be fair, I'd rather have a couple of Scouts or Girl Guides up front than Le Chapman and Gervinhodear.

[highburyJD]

Spurs are paying atleast 2/5ths less wages and are out performing us. We can no longer say we are a well run club.

wage bill is as meaningless in isolation as the net spend transfer table (since Abramothief arrival in '03 we're 20th)
http://transferleague.co.uk/

Wenger recognised wage bill correlates more to final league position than transfer spend
without our transfer market profits our wage bill of the last few years would have been unsustainable

Giroud, as Kiwomya points out, is a mid market player
all signings are a gamble, Giroud is a slightly longer shot but less money risked
he's had some poor poor games recently. I think he's had far too much responsibility foisted on him, that's the fault of the manager not the player. I still believe Giroud can be a good player for us.

Benteke was relatively cheap but Lambert bought a lot of players,
he spent £23M (Net) on a relegation battle