Let's be honest Redknobb’s no tactical wizard either though. I honestly don’t think his great tactical masterstroke of… *drum roll*…. bringing on Defoe when chasing the game made all that much difference. The major difference was all down to us. They were only marginally better in the second half than the first, and our shitetastic performance after the break was hardly down to them stopping us from playing. We just fucked ourselves over plain & simple by thinking the job was done. Again. And once we turn off we never seem to be able to turn back on again. On that note, maybe we should get **** in as manager.1989 wrote:Agree about dirty Harry think he's developed himself into a very decent manager and at the moment Turnip doesn't hold a candle to him. One tactical move in the second half turned the game their way and Turnip's response was to chuck bottles on the floor.
RESIGN NOW
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In 2004 we had Sol, Keown, Toure, Ralph, Cole, etc who all played with the Adams', Seaman's and Dixon's. They were taught what it meant to play for this club by them. Sol, Lauren and Cole were all in the same team that won the double alongside Adams, Keown and Seaman. The spirit was passed onto them so to speak.
The current squad have no connection at all to our previous winning teams. IMO, it's not Turnip who instilled the winning mentality we had back then, it's the English boys from the GG era.
The current squad have no connection at all to our previous winning teams. IMO, it's not Turnip who instilled the winning mentality we had back then, it's the English boys from the GG era.
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Just got in, what can I say that hasn't already been said? This is the lowest feeling i've ever had as a gooner and there's been a few but this one tops the lot! I could accept losing say, 1-0 or a tight 2-1 but to concede 3 in 45 fucking minutes and could have even conceded a 4th late on is downright disgraceful! Bye bye wenger and thanks for the memories.
Yes, I imagine we would have had a great chance against Spurs with half our team suspended because Wenger refused to release them. Brilliant plan that. What next, don't actually send a team and get docked points?goonersid wrote:I said he would use the international break as an excuse, so why does he let all the players go and play in fucking friendlies and more to the point why do the players want go? simple because they don't give a flying fuck about us fans or the the club that pays their fuckinh wages.
Oh yes! and here is another name I would take to replace Wenger, HARRY REDKNAPP, better tactically, better eye for a player and not afraid to do spend. There is no way Wenger would have got that shower of shite into the champions league.
They can care for more then one thing but their country is going to have a bigger pull for them. Nothing wrong with that. Should Wenger use the international break as an excuse? Well Spurs didn't seem to do too badly this weekend Mr Wenger
Harry Redknapp has a habit of near bankrupting clubs and has won one trophy in his entire career. Very good manager though tactics aren't a strength of his. Still no, would never want him near us given I would rather not go through the same troubles as Portsmouth, West Ham, Southampton and Bournemouth after he was done with them.
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Wenger has some positives, some negatives.
Trouble is that the negatives keep repeating themselves.
1 - Lack of defensive midfield depth.
Song is quite good, and I actually like him going forward to add power to attack, but then who do we have?
An injured untried but promising Frimpong.
An untried but promising Coquelin.
And err...an inadequate Denilson, and a gormless Diaby.
We are getting away with playing the effervescent Wilshere in a deep role because of what he brings offensively and the odd good tackle, but he also makes the odd very bad one.
2 - Poor organisation in defence.
Where is the shouter, the pointer, the organiser?
Since 2006 we have only had this for half a season when Sol came back.
Where is the organising keeper?
Szczesney?
We continually concede from set pieces.
3 - Lack of height in defence.
In a game where Crouch is likely to play a part, why not play Djourou who is 6 foot 4?
4 - Lack of a striker who combines pace, power, work rate and agression.
Thierry left, no one has come close to replacing him.
Walcott has the pace and improved work rate.
Nasri has the work rate.
Chamakh has height and is combative, but not much pace.
R V P has aggression and frequent injuries.
Bendtner and Vela could be sold without losing much sleep.
But no one combines all the qualities needed in a 30 goal a season striker.
5 - Tactical changes.
Today we could see Nasri was slowing down after an hour, was a very good player in the week and first half but after the hour mark was clearly tired and needed to be subbed sooner than he was.
Same for Denilson.
Yet Wenger is poor at game changing tactics.
Since 2006 Wenger has not fixed faults.
He is a man who is losing his grip.
Trouble is that the negatives keep repeating themselves.
1 - Lack of defensive midfield depth.
Song is quite good, and I actually like him going forward to add power to attack, but then who do we have?
An injured untried but promising Frimpong.
An untried but promising Coquelin.
And err...an inadequate Denilson, and a gormless Diaby.
We are getting away with playing the effervescent Wilshere in a deep role because of what he brings offensively and the odd good tackle, but he also makes the odd very bad one.
2 - Poor organisation in defence.
Where is the shouter, the pointer, the organiser?
Since 2006 we have only had this for half a season when Sol came back.
Where is the organising keeper?
Szczesney?
We continually concede from set pieces.
3 - Lack of height in defence.
In a game where Crouch is likely to play a part, why not play Djourou who is 6 foot 4?
4 - Lack of a striker who combines pace, power, work rate and agression.
Thierry left, no one has come close to replacing him.
Walcott has the pace and improved work rate.
Nasri has the work rate.
Chamakh has height and is combative, but not much pace.
R V P has aggression and frequent injuries.
Bendtner and Vela could be sold without losing much sleep.
But no one combines all the qualities needed in a 30 goal a season striker.
5 - Tactical changes.
Today we could see Nasri was slowing down after an hour, was a very good player in the week and first half but after the hour mark was clearly tired and needed to be subbed sooner than he was.
Same for Denilson.
Yet Wenger is poor at game changing tactics.
Since 2006 Wenger has not fixed faults.
He is a man who is losing his grip.
Just got in, attempted to drown my sorrows for a bit after the game. Didn't really work. I'm sick of Wenger now tbh, I thought May 2011 would be the right time for him to go & I was happy enough to give him this final year. We're only gonna be treading water, even regressing, until he leaves in 2014.
The guy is too stubborn to admit his way is not working & that he needs help. Please leave now Arsene & take that board with you, we need an injection of ambition! And with that, I fear I may just have awoken the beast that is USMartin...
The guy is too stubborn to admit his way is not working & that he needs help. Please leave now Arsene & take that board with you, we need an injection of ambition! And with that, I fear I may just have awoken the beast that is USMartin...
I don't want Wenger to resign - and of course, neither do the board. Wenger has only recently signed a new contract, so like it or not... he's staying.
Can't believe we're only 2pts behind Chelsea still
- I'm not convinced we have the mental strength, concentration nor the bottle to win the league, and will find a way to screw it up even if ManUre and Chelsea lose 10 on the trot... but it doesn't quite sit right with me that people are calling for the managers head even though we were 45minutes from going top of the league as we approach December! 
- in theory, that's not a bad position to be in, and when you consider the financial 'doping' (as Wenger calls it) of our rivals, then it's even more amazing.
Still, I can understand the calls for his head, even if I won't join them.
Can't believe we're only 2pts behind Chelsea still
- I'm not convinced we have the mental strength, concentration nor the bottle to win the league, and will find a way to screw it up even if ManUre and Chelsea lose 10 on the trot... but it doesn't quite sit right with me that people are calling for the managers head even though we were 45minutes from going top of the league as we approach December! - in theory, that's not a bad position to be in, and when you consider the financial 'doping' (as Wenger calls it) of our rivals, then it's even more amazing.Still, I can understand the calls for his head, even if I won't join them.
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With the exception of me believing that Song should play just as a holding midfielder and should be the one least further forward, I completely agree with this. And Chamakh may not be lightning, but he's much quicker than Bendtner and a much better finisherQuartzGooner wrote:Wenger has some positives, some negatives.
Trouble is that the negatives keep repeating themselves.
1 - Lack of defensive midfield depth.
Song is quite good, and I actually like him going forward to add power to attack, but then who do we have?
An injured untried but promising Frimpong.
An untried but promising Coquelin.
And err...an inadequate Denilson, and a gormless Diaby.
We are getting away with playing the effervescent Wilshere in a deep role because of what he brings offensively and the odd good tackle, but he also makes the odd very bad one.
2 - Poor organisation in defence.
Where is the shouter, the pointer, the organiser?
Since 2006 we have only had this for half a season when Sol came back.
Where is the organising keeper?
Szczesney?
We continually concede from set pieces.
3 - Lack of height in defence.
In a game where Crouch is likely to play a part, why not play Djourou who is 6 foot 4?
4 - Lack of a striker who combines pace, power, work rate and agression.
Thierry left, no one has come close to replacing him.
Walcott has the pace and improved work rate.
Nasri has the work rate.
Chamakh has height and is combative, but not much pace.
R V P has aggression and frequent injuries.
Bendtner and Vela could be sold without losing much sleep.
But no one combines all the qualities needed in a 30 goal a season striker.
5 - Tactical changes.
Today we could see Nasri was slowing down after an hour, was a very good player in the week and first half but after the hour mark was clearly tired and needed to be subbed sooner than he was.
Same for Denilson.
Yet Wenger is poor at game changing tactics.
Since 2006 Wenger has not fixed faults.
He is a man who is losing his grip.
That's assuming he shoots!!!!!AA23Northbank wrote:Chamakh may not be lightning, but he's much quicker than Bendtner and a much better finisher
I fear he's being Arsenal-ised into refusing to shoot even when through on goal!!
As for Koscielny - I thought his miss from 2 yards at Chelsea was bad, but fuck me how did he miss that header today???
- just seen a replay, and he's got time, space and it's at a decent height, yet he still missed??? - fucking hell, things must be bad when even our centre-backs can't head the ball properly! 
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As ever yours is a totally reasonable & sensible point of view g88ner. But regardless of whether we’re 2 points behind or 20 it’s the recurring nightmares that have pushed people over the edge. How many times can the same problems repeat themselves before the common denominator pays the price? It’s not just what’s happened, it’s the fact that you just don’t see any way they’re not gonna keep happening. Again & again. Points-wise we’re still in the title race but at this stage of the season it’s less about points-difference & more about the reality of what’s to come. Bolton are only 4 points behind us but I seriously doubt they have much chance of finishing above us. As far as the Wenger debate goes I’m more concerned with the difference between the # of points we have, and the amount we could have had with some basic corrections of fundamental problems.g88ner wrote:I don't want Wenger to resign - and of course, neither do the board. Wenger has only recently signed a new contract, so like it or not... he's staying.
Can't believe we're only 2pts behind Chelsea still
Still, I can understand the calls for his head, even if I won't join them.
Chelsea are weaker than since pre-Mourinho, Utd are relatively poor but we’re still unable to take advantage. If you forget “financial-dopingâ€
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Not sure how you can make a judgement on the thread without reading it & at the same time label other people’s posts as “knee-jerk.â€olgitgooner wrote:I have not properly read all of the previous six pages of this thread.
I don't need to. It's a whole lot of knee jerk reaction to an awful result.
FFS get a grip.
Wenger is not a shit manager.
Our team is not shit.
Sp*rs are NOT better than us.
