WENGER OUT

mikeyb772001 · Post by **mikeyb772001** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:16 pm

Does anyone know the amount of money you get if you win the prem
or win the CL

Compared to finishing in top 4 and getting to groups/quarters/semi/final in CL ( For 13 years)

Compare doing this for 13 years to what Manure or the chavs have done. Who has won more money due to such achievements????????

MM99 · Post by **MM99** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:18 pm

I know there are a lot of people on here who criticise the whole emphasis that Arsenal plays on finishig 4th or above, and i agree that the club is a bit stupid in the way that they have worded it in the past to try and make it seem like that is all we should be content with.

But i have a genuine question for those who slate the board for saying a top 4 finish is just as important as a domestic cup:

Would you have rather won the Carling Cup last season and lost out on 4th place, not being able to play in the Champions League and losing the potential Â£20m that comes with it; Or would you have given up the Carling Cup and be in the situation that we are now, where we beat Barcelona at home in probably one of the most memorable matches Arsenal has ever played, and take a 2-1 lead to the Nou Camp with a slight chance of knocking out one the footballs greatest teams and going even further in the competition?

Post by **DB10GOONER** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:19 pm

mikeyb772001 wrote:Does anyone know the amount of money you get if you win the prem
or win the CL
Compared to finishing in top 4 and getting to groups/quarters/semi/final in CL ( For 13 years)

Compare doing this for 13 years to what Manure or the chavs have done. Who has won more money due to such achievements????????

I think the technical term is "fuckloads".

mikeyb772001 · Post by **mikeyb772001** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:23 pm

DB10GOONER wrote:
mikeyb772001 wrote:Does anyone know the amount of money you get if you win the prem
or win the CL
Compared to finishing in top 4 and getting to groups/quarters/semi/final in CL ( For 13 years)

Compare doing this for 13 years to what Manure or the chavs have done. Who has won more money due to such achievements????????
I think the technical term is "fuckloads".

yes i know that, but how less is it roughly?

If you take the facts we dont sign players but still finish top 4 and get to quaters at least in CL who makes more money us or manure over the last 13 years.

Why spend 50mil on a 2-3 players for example if we can finish 3rd and make more money than finishing 1st

Am i wrong?

augie · Post by **augie** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:24 pm

DB10GOONER wrote:
augie wrote:I do not disagree with one word of what you just said DB but regardless of the reasons it still doesnt distract away from the fact that for the board (and seemingly for a lot of fans too ) finishing in the top 4 is deemed an acceptable return Could coyle or david moyes finish in the top 4 with this squad ? I believe they would but the difference is that after fighting in the trenches for so long they would be far more willing to do what is necessary with this squad to lift the club higher. When you add that to the fact that due to past glories wenger has got comfortable with where we now stand and has been allowed to remain that way by the board then I personally dont see a huge risk in appointing someone like moyes or coyle cos I would rather fall short trying to improve than by standing still
hmmm... good point RE the comfort zone. Have to agree that the board have allowed him to live in that comfort zone for far too long. But I think their inability to act (sack Wenger or move him upstairs) is as much dictated by fear of the unknown (new manager) as it is by greed etc. Remember we don't have Dein on that board anymore and if Dein demonstrated one thing it was his ability to take a risk on an unknown manager like Arsene.

Of course we have no way of knowing for sure if coyle or similar would fail or succeed but I just feel it takes a real Alpha personality to run a big club and win trophies at same. Ferguscum, Wenger, GG, Moron-hio are all Alphas and do/did things their way, don't suffer criticism lightly and ultimately win things. Maybe Wenger is TOO MUCH of an Alpha and cannot see past his own ideas.

Whats this about winning trophies ?

Henry Norris 1913 · Post by **Henry Norris 1913** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:25 pm

mikeyb772001 wrote:We wont sign proven stars or pay big money for any players.

Then why does that c**t have a contract worth 115k a wee? the 2nd highest paid manager in the world???

If he felt that strong about his fucking principles than he wouldnâ€™t have such a ludicrous contract!!!

We should of singed some players, its as clear as that.

I wasnâ€™t to be proven wrong but I know that come may we wont of won anything and it all starts again with that c**t in charge still

If I had that contract I'd be pissing into the big time!

Post by **DB10GOONER** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:26 pm

augie wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:
augie wrote:I do not disagree with one word of what you just said DB but regardless of the reasons it still doesnt distract away from the fact that for the board (and seemingly for a lot of fans too ) finishing in the top 4 is deemed an acceptable return Could coyle or david moyes finish in the top 4 with this squad ? I believe they would but the difference is that after fighting in the trenches for so long they would be far more willing to do what is necessary with this squad to lift the club higher. When you add that to the fact that due to past glories wenger has got comfortable with where we now stand and has been allowed to remain that way by the board then I personally dont see a huge risk in appointing someone like moyes or coyle cos I would rather fall short trying to improve than by standing still
hmmm... good point RE the comfort zone. Have to agree that the board have allowed him to live in that comfort zone for far too long. But I think their inability to act (sack Wenger or move him upstairs) is as much dictated by fear of the unknown (new manager) as it is by greed etc. Remember we don't have Dein on that board anymore and if Dein demonstrated one thing it was his ability to take a risk on an unknown manager like Arsene.

Of course we have no way of knowing for sure if coyle or similar would fail or succeed but I just feel it takes a real Alpha personality to run a big club and win trophies at same. Ferguscum, Wenger, GG, Moron-hio are all Alphas and do/did things their way, don't suffer criticism lightly and ultimately win things. Maybe Wenger is TOO MUCH of an Alpha and cannot see past his own ideas.

Whats this about winning trophies ?

Well, he used to. Before he lost the plot!

donaldo · Post by **donaldo** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:30 pm

Finishing in the top 4 is Wengers only aim.In 2008 we were top of the league he didnt strengthen in january and the season crumbled and we finished 3rd.Last season up there again he signs 36 year old Sol the season crumbled again.Yet in 2009 when we were out of the top 4 in january he spent Â£15m on Arshavin to help us achieve 4th place.We sign a player for Â£15m when it looks like we might finish out of the top 4 yet when we are in with a chance of winning the title he keeps the chequebook in his pocket

marcengels · Post by **marcengels** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:30 pm

DB10GOONER wrote:
augie wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:
augie wrote:I do not disagree with one word of what you just said DB but regardless of the reasons it still doesnt distract away from the fact that for the board (and seemingly for a lot of fans too ) finishing in the top 4 is deemed an acceptable return Could coyle or david moyes finish in the top 4 with this squad ? I believe they would but the difference is that after fighting in the trenches for so long they would be far more willing to do what is necessary with this squad to lift the club higher. When you add that to the fact that due to past glories wenger has got comfortable with where we now stand and has been allowed to remain that way by the board then I personally dont see a huge risk in appointing someone like moyes or coyle cos I would rather fall short trying to improve than by standing still
hmmm... good point RE the comfort zone. Have to agree that the board have allowed him to live in that comfort zone for far too long. But I think their inability to act (sack Wenger or move him upstairs) is as much dictated by fear of the unknown (new manager) as it is by greed etc. Remember we don't have Dein on that board anymore and if Dein demonstrated one thing it was his ability to take a risk on an unknown manager like Arsene.

Of course we have no way of knowing for sure if coyle or similar would fail or succeed but I just feel it takes a real Alpha personality to run a big club and win trophies at same. Ferguscum, Wenger, GG, Moron-hio are all Alphas and do/did things their way, don't suffer criticism lightly and ultimately win things. Maybe Wenger is TOO MUCH of an Alpha and cannot see past his own ideas.

Whats this about winning trophies ?

Well, he used to. Before he lost the plot!

me confused too...

Put "winning trophies" into google translator and the piss-taking c**ts come out with

"non-Arsenal related activity"

mikeyb772001 · Post by **mikeyb772001** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:33 pm

donaldo wrote:Finishing in the top 4 is Wengers only aim.In 2008 we were top of the league he didnt strengthen in january and the season crumbled and we finished 3rd.Last season up there again he signs 36 year old Sol the season crumbled again.Yet in 2009 when we were out of the top 4 in january he spent Â£15m on Arshavin to help us achieve 4th place.We sign a player for Â£15m when it looks like we might finish out of the top 4 yet when we are in with a chance of winning the title he keeps the chequebook in his pocket

THIS I AGREE WITH

It wont change for the next few seasons

augie · Post by **augie** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:34 pm

MM99 wrote:I know there are a lot of people on here who criticise the whole emphasis that Arsenal plays on finishig 4th or above, and i agree that the club is a bit stupid in the way that they have worded it in the past to try and make it seem like that is all we should be content with.

But i have a genuine question for those who slate the board for saying a top 4 finish is just as important as a domestic cup:

Would you have rather won the Carling Cup last season and lost out on 4th place, not being able to play in the Champions League and losing the potential Â£20m that comes with it; Or would you have given up the Carling Cup and be in the situation that we are now, where we beat Barcelona at home in probably one of the most memorable matches Arsenal has ever played, and take a 2-1 lead to the Nou Camp with a slight chance of knocking out one the footballs greatest teams and going even further in the competition?

Mate is there a possibility that losing out on a champs lge place for a season might be a wake up call for wenger and the board ? I think something needs to happen to shake our club up from the slumber in which it now lies and such an event might just be the kick up the arse they need. The one thing that would worry me about this though is the possibility that our best players might then leave the club whether that be down to a wish to play for a champs lge team on their behalf or cos of a need to sell by the club

mikeyb772001 · Post by **mikeyb772001** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:38 pm

augie wrote:
MM99 wrote:I know there are a lot of people on here who criticise the whole emphasis that Arsenal plays on finishig 4th or above, and i agree that the club is a bit stupid in the way that they have worded it in the past to try and make it seem like that is all we should be content with.

But i have a genuine question for those who slate the board for saying a top 4 finish is just as important as a domestic cup:

Would you have rather won the Carling Cup last season and lost out on 4th place, not being able to play in the Champions League and losing the potential Â£20m that comes with it; Or would you have given up the Carling Cup and be in the situation that we are now, where we beat Barcelona at home in probably one of the most memorable matches Arsenal has ever played, and take a 2-1 lead to the Nou Camp with a slight chance of knocking out one the footballs greatest teams and going even further in the competition?

Mate is there a possibility that losing out on a champs lge place for a season might be a wake up call for wenger and the board ? I think something needs to happen to shake our club up from the slumber in which it now lies and such an event might just be the kick up the arse they need. The one thing that would worry me about this though is the possibility that our best players might then leave the club whether that be down to a wish to play for a champs lge team on their behalf or cos of a need to sell by the club

our best players are always injured anyway!

goonerchump · Post by **goonerchump** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 1:05 pm

augie wrote:
MM99 wrote:I know there are a lot of people on here who criticise the whole emphasis that Arsenal plays on finishig 4th or above, and i agree that the club is a bit stupid in the way that they have worded it in the past to try and make it seem like that is all we should be content with.

But i have a genuine question for those who slate the board for saying a top 4 finish is just as important as a domestic cup:

Would you have rather won the Carling Cup last season and lost out on 4th place, not being able to play in the Champions League and losing the potential Â£20m that comes with it; Or would you have given up the Carling Cup and be in the situation that we are now, where we beat Barcelona at home in probably one of the most memorable matches Arsenal has ever played, and take a 2-1 lead to the Nou Camp with a slight chance of knocking out one the footballs greatest teams and going even further in the competition?

Mate is there a possibility that losing out on a champs lge place for a season might be a wake up call for wenger and the board ? I think something needs to happen to shake our club up from the slumber in which it now lies and such an event might just be the kick up the arse they need. The one thing that would worry me about this though is the possibility that our best players might then leave the club whether that be down to a wish to play for a champs lge team on their behalf or cos of a need to sell by the club

I think a lot of people thought this similar situation would be a wake-up call for Liverpool after their failure to qualify for the CL this season, and it looks to me like they got even more shit than before! Granted, now Dalglish is in charge they may potentially improve but I think the damage done from not qualifying for the CL is more than one season?

franksav63 · Post by **franksav63** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 1:09 pm

Just to think, that the best thing to ever happen to Wenger, was the opening up the Champions League to the top 4 sides, without that he (and we) wouldn't have a 'project'.

mikeyb772001 · Post by **mikeyb772001** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 1:20 pm

franksav63 wrote:Just to think, that the best thing to ever happen to Wenger, was the opening up the Champions League to the top 4 sides, without that he (and we) wouldn't have a 'project'.

Maybe we should cause some kind of riot and get all uk teams banned again!