Wenger's Project Arsenal v 3.0 - Failed

[flash gunner]

Louder you have some good points and its good to read something of substance from you without the usual need to throw insults about, but i cant see how we are improving results wise. Yes Theo might have improved and we have shipped out Silvestre but im not sure about Kos, Kos has had as many bad games as good so far and although young can any of us predict his future for certain? I dont think so.

Results/competition wise we are definately no further forward (3rd or 4th in the league losing minor cup finals not even reaching semis in the major cups) and with some investment and im not talking about Man City levels, we could have won the league last and this season. Two of the players who fucked up on Sunday Chesny and Kos (neither who i blame) should never have been playing we should have an expierenced keeper and a similar Centre half and these players with a better defensive midfielder i really believe anything is possible for Arsenal.

Getting back to the thread title this is where the 'project' falls down if Wenger had a little of both (a little investment and a little reliance on youth/younger players) we could do big things but we havent/wont

[Louder]

when does the beginning end? We have been at the beginning of something big for 4 seasons or so

You seem a bright bloke Flash'. You can't seriously believe that 4, 5 or even 6 seasons is a long time in the big scheme of things. In the words of George Graham 'when he was manager Arsenal were a domestic club, now Arsenal are a world club'. We are growing, strengthening and improving every year. Whether we like what the club has become ( High ticket prices, over commercialism, foreign mercenary players, sterile stadium etc ) or not, this is what the club is now. So support it. Or don't.

The highlighted bit is where your post falls down we arent improving every year, we are making the same mistakes (mainly defensive)and failing to win big matches thus competitons because of it all on the whim of a manager that has a total free reign at the club. The youngsters are not that young anymore Cesc, Theo, RVP, Clichy, Sagna etc etc the excuses are running out

I accept we cant win every trophy, every year but to come so close but fail due to such glaring mistakes and a failure to strengthen the team is criminal.

Anyway when does the begining of this project end? When we win something even if that takes another 20 years?

We are improving every year, Flash. Defensively we are better than last year with the addition of Kos', who is a good player with a good attitude and will improve over the coming years. Djourou seems to be staying fit, something he has never done in previous seasons. Along with TV we have 3 very good CB's for the next ten years.

Cesc and Theo ARE still very young players with a lot of experience and can get even better. Clichy, RVP and Sagna are at an age where they should be reaching their peak. Clichy, who I think has been a lot better recently, also has Gibbs behind as competiton, that can only be good.

If you put your patient head on and really take a long look at the players we have in the current squad as well as the players coming through. Then try and see them as a squad in 2, then 5, then 8 years, the future is very bright and not too far away. Well, not for some.

You obviously don't like what I've posted, but am I wrong in anything I've said ?

Come on Paddy, be constructive. Positive even

Arsene Knows. And it turns out, so do I

[mcdowell42]

Do you work in the PR dept at arsenal and secondly my name isnt paddy try to remember that.Im all for optimism im a very optimistic person but i can see the faults in the team in arsene wenger in the club and i can also see the good things about wenger the team and the club you on the other hand can see nothing wrong so maybe now and again you might try and remove your tongue from arsenes arse now and again MATE and see everything is not always rosy in the the fantasy world you seem to live in.

[Louder]

Do you work in the PR dept at arsenal and secondly my name isnt paddy try to remember that.Im all for optimism im a very optimistic person but i can see the faults in the team in arsene wenger in the club and i can also see the good things about wenger the team and the club you on the other hand can see nothing wrong so maybe now and again you might try and remove your tongue from arsenes arse now and again MATE and see everything is not always rosy in the the fantasy world you seem to live in.

You misunderstand me Mac. Just because I post positive, doesn't mean I see nothing negative. I could give you a list as long as my arm on the things that I think could be improved on at the moment. But given time these negatives will reduce as they are being worked and taken into account over the long term. Foresight my man, foresight.

[JMascis666]

Do you work in the PR dept at arsenal and secondly my name isnt paddy try to remember that.Im all for optimism im a very optimistic person but i can see the faults in the team in arsene wenger in the club and i can also see the good things about wenger the team and the club you on the other hand can see nothing wrong so maybe now and again you might try and remove your tongue from arsenes arse now and again MATE and see everything is not always rosy in the the fantasy world you seem to live in.

You misunderstand me Mac. Just because I post positive, doesn't mean I see nothing negative. I could give you a list as long as my arm on the things that I think could be improved on at the moment. But given time these negatives will reduce as they are being worked and taken into account over the long term. Foresight my man, foresight.

So how many years do with have to wait for ?

A famous Frenchman once told me to judge him in May, I am still waiting for him to produce the goods ?

[Louder]

Do you work in the PR dept at arsenal and secondly my name isnt paddy try to remember that.Im all for optimism im a very optimistic person but i can see the faults in the team in arsene wenger in the club and i can also see the good things about wenger the team and the club you on the other hand can see nothing wrong so maybe now and again you might try and remove your tongue from arsenes arse now and again MATE and see everything is not always rosy in the the fantasy world you seem to live in.

You misunderstand me Mac. Just because I post positive, doesn't mean I see nothing negative. I could give you a list as long as my arm on the things that I think could be improved on at the moment. But given time these negatives will reduce as they are being worked and taken into account over the long term. Foresight my man, foresight.

So how many years do with have to wait for ?

A famous Frenchman once told me to judge him in May, I am still waiting for him to produce the goods ?

Judge him on the job you think he has done ! If winning a trophy is your marker then fine, but no manager can guaratee a trophy in the short term. And anyway, which 'May' did he mean ?

[Kvltman]

What a few people have mentioned really strikes a chord with me, in that we really are very close to becoming a team who could challenge for the biggest competitions year in, year out. Let's face it, our midfield especially is top notch and bettered by not many other teams. If (big word I know) van Persie stays fit and/or we sign the proven 25 goals a season striker, the experienced and proven centre back and experienced keeper then I'm sure we'd be winning things.

That's the kicker though. Wenger refuses to do the above, if he had done it a few years back I'm sure we'd be sitting atop a trophy or few right now. That is what really frustrates me about him. As has been said, how many huge games have we lost due to massive individual and team errors? Errors that might not have occurred with experienced pro's playing?

And unfortunately this season seems to be Groundhog Day once again with the injuries building up. Losing Song is another blow and will make the task in Barcelona even harder than it was. A spanking there and the heads will drop and you all know the rest.