Cesc and wright played in different eras. Cesc played with passion for us in most of his years, he like most of you lost belief in the project, he is only human, and is fustrated as anyone. Look how he played in 2009-2010 before that with just as much passion. Can't believe people can sit there and claim he was not such as special player. Can we really blame him that our defense has not been good enough to win a championship since 2005?? he has given us goal and assists in his tender years, he wasn't some mature 28 year old who saw his prime at arsenal.
Any manager at a top club that can't fit Cesc in their team and win trophies has to take a long hard look at them selves. Cesc is one of the best midfielders in the world, and you build teams around such players, we just have failed to do that.
Cesc saga ending?
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where to start with this lot?here goes , firstly augie ,cesc our leader?oh have you shot your self in the foot there ,a prime reason we aint won fuck all is because no one steadies the ship when the pressures on ,or pulls the strings when it aint.he can go if we get the 40mill?precy's right 20 mill would be good money for this burn-out.badly disrespected?dont you remember the tunnel against barca and him flogging his arse openly ,thats disrespect.then on to percy ,good points mate ,he's past it.he can still beat the first man but then starts to stumble like some one with 6-7 years on him.he will in the heat of the prem if allowed turn out to be past it,in euroland where they walk for 80% of the game he may still be a hit. and then sid,your riht mate cesc will not go down as a legend because he hasnt shown enough love to the club or had the influence on trophies.year after year the tart has waved his arse at barca and failed to catorgorically say no go ,leaving us as now guessing ,this is not the action of a legend.legends light up the arena on thier own,bring in fans to watch THEM,has anyone ever gone to watch cesc?they have henry ,bergkamp,wright,brady,george,james.
i sincerely hope he goes mainly so we can close this chapter and begin again,nasri i'm sure would relish the challenge and cesc going would help in his decission to stay.
i sincerely hope he goes mainly so we can close this chapter and begin again,nasri i'm sure would relish the challenge and cesc going would help in his decission to stay.
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Totally Agree, he has won nothing here, and he is as much part of that as the players he has played with.Percy Dalton wrote:He is a special player, there is no doubt about that!
Where is doubt is the term 'legend' applying to Fabregas as it is applied to easily these days and when held up against true legends of the club Cesc's acheivements just don't match up!
There have been too many big games where Cesc has made errors (twice against spuds this year, Barca away - and thats just this season), been injured or just been plain awful. Special players can win games on their own.....Henry and Bergkamp did it, id be suprised if anyone can think of too many games Cesc has won for us on his own, or has stood up and been counted in adversity.
Taking Augies point above re: Wright, yes goals get glory - but Fabregas gets Glory for his assists, so much so that his high goal/assist ratio tints peoples views and they ignore the mistakes he makes - his passing ratio is by no means perfect. Im not saying he is a poor player, no way, but he isnt up there with the greats to play for this club.
Fantastic player, one of the best players ive seen live.......but Arsenal Legend? Not for me.
woolwichgooner wrote:If Cesc outright stated he's staying at Arsenal till he's 30 and finished the job of actually winning something with the team he has grown up with yes he would be a legend, if he leaves it will always be what might have been. Oh and Ian Wright- legend, no doubt about it.
I am not nor have I ever said that ian wright is not a legend but for me cesc is far superior than he ever was
That's a very disrespectful post and very dismissive of his contribution to The Arsenal, Sid.goonersid wrote:Can't believe anyone could put Cesc' contribution or achievements at Arsenal ahead of Ian Wright. His goals won us trophies when we didn't have Anelka, Bergkamp or a few other players.
When the history books are written Ian Wright will always be an Arsenal legend, Cesc Fabregas, if he leaves in the summer will never ever be that, he is a current hero in a team that has achieved nothing, and were he not there then someone else would be given that mantle.
Ask a teenager this question in 25 years time
Ian Wright ? = LEGEND
Cesc Fabregas? = WHO???????
Now fuck off to your beloved Barca, we owe each other nothing.
Cesc Fabregas has been without doubt one of the best players to have ever played for this football club, and it is only his bad luck that instead of coming through with the invincibles, he's instead been in a team that is going through a barmy youth project that has all but extinguished any hopes of him winning silverware.
In 25yrs, you can ask a teenager whatever you like Sid, but as a genuine Arsenal fan who lived through the era of both of these players, you really should hold Cesc in higher regard than you do. The fact you don't, suggests you must have been asleep for the last few seasons (much like Wenger
)That said, Wrighty is a legend and made a massive contribution.I'm lucky to have lived through the era of both these players, and one of my fondest memories as a gooner was being at Highbury for the Bolton game in 1997 when Wrighty beat Cliff Bastin's long standing goalscoring record. It's actually quite amazing to think that not so long later, a French winger called Thierry Henry would blow that record apart...
We're lucky to support the Arsenal, and that fact we're even discussing the merits of Cesc's legacy just shows how blessed we've been over the years
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A bit harsh saying Wrightys trophies were on the back of the great defence. GG's teams in the last 2 or 3 years hardly had a midfield so it was just defence and attack and Wrighty won us so many games 'on his own', he could only play with who was on the pitch with him. Same with Fab, a truly wonderful player but one who cannot be considered as much of a legend because he's won so little, even if it's not his fault he's had to play with a lot of rubbish. I'll remember both with great fondness but I fully expect Cescs best years will be with another club.
I haven't been using medals won as an indicator of status, as for missing the final against Parma and if as you claim being in Walker's pocked against Wednesday, you must acknowledge that Wrights goals got us to those finals the Parma one in particular.augie wrote:goonersid wrote:Can't believe anyone could put Cesc' contribution or achievements at Arsenal ahead of Ian Wright. His goals won us trophies when we didn't have Anelka, Bergkamp or a few other players.
When the history books are written Ian Wright will always be an Arsenal legend, Cesc Fabregas, if he leaves in the summer will never ever be that, he is a current hero in a team that has achieved nothing, and were he not there then someone else would be given that mantle.
Ask a teenager this question in 25 years time
Ian Wright ? = LEGEND
Cesc Fabregas? = WHO???????
Now fuck off to your beloved Barca, we owe each other nothing.
Seriously sid ??Ian wright play in a team that didnt concede goals....period. We all knew that if he scored 1 or 2 goals in a game in more often earned us 3pts but put him in a team with a defence like we currently have and see how many trophies he would win. The trophies ian wright were won largely on the back of that defence and I doubt if you would disagree with that either. While we are on the subject of wrighty's medals how many did he win exactly ? I would say to you that the answer is only 3 prior to the 98 double winning side of which he was largely 3rd choice behind Bergkamp and anelka and of those 3 I seem to remember that des walker had him largely in his pocket in those sheffield wed games and of course he was suspended for the parma cup final.
I dont want to seem here that I am knocking wrighty as such but I do feel sometimes strikers goals mean a player is held in higher esteem than players further back in the team who contribute far more (maybe I feel that way as a former defender). I was a wrighty fan and had his name on my bruised banana shirt when I was younger so it isnt as if I didnt value the guy but in contrast to whay you and percy suggested about the age thing, I would suggest that as you get older you realise that being the top goalscorer does not necessarily make you the best player
But I will simply ask this question.
Who will be regarded in 20 years time as an Arsenal legend Wright or Cesc?
The fact is Cesc will be remembered by only those who watched him play, Wright by the simple fact that we are having this debate is a legend.
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It depends really. Personally I dont think its his fault he hasnt won anything here. IMO if he did win something he would easily be up there with Vieira etc.
Legend is a strange word. Theres so many players that have been at this club that we will remember fondly and give hero status.
For me, if Fabregas leaves or not, I will remember him as a world class player who gave his all for the club regardless of what some others feel.
Him going to Barcelona is fair enough. I would lose some respect if he went some where else but I dont believe he will.
All this will he wont he winds us all up. Still I dont think he likes that either. He clearly wants to go but loves the club and Wenger also.
Legend is a strange word. Theres so many players that have been at this club that we will remember fondly and give hero status.
For me, if Fabregas leaves or not, I will remember him as a world class player who gave his all for the club regardless of what some others feel.
Him going to Barcelona is fair enough. I would lose some respect if he went some where else but I dont believe he will.
All this will he wont he winds us all up. Still I dont think he likes that either. He clearly wants to go but loves the club and Wenger also.
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Sid you do talk some bollocks, by what you are going by then the same should be said of Brady......goonersid wrote:Can't believe anyone could put Cesc' contribution or achievements at Arsenal ahead of Ian Wright. His goals won us trophies when we didn't have Anelka, Bergkamp or a few other players.
When the history books are written Ian Wright will always be an Arsenal legend, Cesc Fabregas, if he leaves in the summer will never ever be that, he is a current hero in a team that has achieved nothing, and were he not there then someone else would be given that mantle.
Ask a teenager this question in 25 years time
Ian Wright ? = LEGEND
Cesc Fabregas? = WHO???????
Now fuck off to your beloved Barca, we owe each other nothing.
