U-21 Tournament

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Post by LeftfootlegendGooner »

marcengels wrote:
safcftm wrote: We could be producing much better players with actual technical ability whilst still maintaining an exciting and popular premier league
That's open to debate.

People like watching the "excitement" of the Premier League because of what it is. If you change the coaching and place a different emphasis, then you would more than likely find that the Premier League football changes - and English crowds don't seem to want that. Like trying to create a cafe culture - I am afraid there is far too much underpinned in the British culture to have anything much other than what we have now. Our football hasn't changed that much over the years, all that has is the ability of our clubs to buy a Bergkamp, and make the product look good.

Change society first, then the football will follow. Football reflects who we are - and is the same for most countries.
I'm with you wolfie......come the day of the revolution brother :lol:

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safcftm wrote:The problem in England isnt linked to the league, its linked to youth development, especially with regards to playing young lads on full sized pitches too early, having far too much emphasis on results in youth football as opposed to development and not having anywhere near enough quality, well qualified coaches. We could be producing much better players with actual technical ability whilst still maintaining an exciting and popular premier league
I can testify that this is indeed changing.

When I grew up we were on the full size pitches at under 9's at least. :shock:

Now they coach mini soccer for 6-8 year olds, moving onto 7 a side 3/4 size pitches with smaller goals for under 9's and 10's. I believe that the FA are also making changes for the 7 a side to continue all the way to U13's meaning they won't hit full size pitches until 14.

Not that the technical skills are getting any better. We were at a tournament on saturday where not one team built it up from the back. Every single team with a goal kick took a short touch to a defender who tapped it back to the keeper to launch it down the field out of hand.

Change has got to come from the coaching. Telling the kids it is ok to make mistakes, not be afraid of the ball and basic awareness.

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I go and watch my mates kid play for his U11 team and they are due to move to full size pitches next year which is quite frankly ridiculous, they are still way to small in my opinion for step up.

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exactly its down to the coaching. We failed to win with gerrard, owen, rooney and lampard + beckham, this next gen are nowhere near as talented. But in england passing is not a sought after attribute in a player. its not that gerrard say is technically bad he is excellent but had he been playing in spain or anywhere on the continent, you would have seen a totally different player.

England are just a piss poor passing team, i mentioned before the teams that outpass us at wembley, and the u21s are far too old to have been coached any differently.

as the guy said before its very difficult to change from a PL style, of running,grafting and hoofing. If any club side played like spain, the fans would be rioting, no-one wants to see anything but end to end, football. But it reflects on the national team badly.

The germans seem to have a good balance of passing football, but like pierce said recently countries "play to their strengths", our strength is in defending and using pace. :banghead: Can't say im optimistic for 2014/2018.

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were shit and we know we are

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Supagoon wrote:If any club side played like spain, the fans would be rioting, no-one wants to see anything but end to end, football. But it reflects on the national team badly.
Its been getting on my nerves how ever since the world cup people pontificate about the need for a measured passing game when talking about international football and then utterly fail to be consistent in their views when everyone is back focused on the premier league. All the people being given a platform on talkshite/606 to advocate a passing game after the world cup were many of the same people who lament Arsenal's football as pointless and foreign.

Its all very easy to say "lets be like barcelona" but not everyone can be barcelona, adopting a style does not guarantee absolute success. Basically what im saying is that if these guys want a passing game then stop being snidey to teams like Arsenal simply because we are ultimately unsuccessful and get behind our style, if thats what you want.
The germans seem to have a good balance of passing football
Agree with this, the germans have the model that we should be looking to emulate. Good technical football that is lethal and pacey on the counter.

Basically what Arsenal used to be 8)
our strength is in defending
Not even sure how true that is anymore :(

In modern football it seems having and keeping the ball is one of the best forms of defence.

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Former tottenham player Tomas Pekhart explains why England teams don't have the success they should have...
Generally with England teams there are a lot of *word censored* in the side and sometimes they cannot play like a team.

Everyone there wants to beat players and show something special. There are so many *word censored*, so everyone just wants to be the biggest *word censored*.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... h-win.html

I think he makes some good points. Obviously his 2 years at WHL gave him a great insight into this.

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Post by Rugby Gooner »

Watching Spain v Belarus semi-final,Dean Sturridge co-commentating.Fuck,he is almost as droning,monotone,boring and soporiphic as Ray Wilkins!!! His accent doesn't help!!!

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Had to feel a bit sorry for Belarus when they conceded late on, but Spain did batter them to be fair.

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JMascis666 wrote:Had to feel a bit sorry for Belarus when they conceded late on, but Spain did batter them to be fair.
Yeah,they defended well,but once Spain equalised you knew there would only be one winner unless it went to penalties.

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