Apparently we're "not defensively weak"

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:42 pm

But let's assume he did "just change" like you would claim here. Why hasn't the Board noticed or reacted to it? If they did not approve of these changes - why haven't they replaced him after six years of this change you again suggest they do not support?. What haven't they realized it yet? Haven't they figured he isn't gonna change back?

Oh wait I've got it! They let him change to the club's detriment because they are more open-minded and understanding about people naturally changing than I am and the fact that it made them millions of pounds personally was just pure coincidence right?

That must be it - defend the Board and nail me in one theory - the ultimate TeeCee success

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:54 pm

Henry Norris 1913 wrote:
That was relatively big money then - certainly at Arsenal. It was ten million pounds a year more than he spends now.
We spent Â£8.5m on gervinho this summer.

I've read almost every post you've made on here and you have some interesting points . however I will disagree on your main theory because we all know arsene calls the shots- he wouldn't have it any other way.
he cheated on his wife, comes out with embarassing excuses and is antics on the touchline added to that the bollocks he came out with "I'd be happy finishing 2nd for twenty years" suggests to me his passion has gone and his project has driven him crazy, a bit like your obsession with the board and your idea that we can't condemn wenger until we have proof blah blah .
lifes too short marty.
I love arsenal more than I love trying to proove you wrong and searching for evidence .

I'm going to bed, I suggest you try and recover from your mental breakdown by throwing away the pc and locking yourself in the garage.

This is so inconsistent and confusing I don't know how to respond really. I don;'t know what his marital infeidelty has to do with this at all unless your telling me that because Martin Luther King was unfaithful the Civil Rights movement in America was morally bankrupt and Jim Crow should still be in place.

Anyway what I really wonder about is this whole Arsene Wenger is solely in charge. When did he buy ownership of Arsenal? Because otherwise he is only in charge of what the owners allow him to be in charge of and only as long as they approve of how he takes charge of it. Are you stating the Board at Arsenal have no authoirty to relive him of his job at any time they desire for any reason they desire?

Ultimately its the Board who wouldn't have it any other way. To see otherwise is a lie. They own - or Stan Kroenke now owns the club and not Arsene Wenger. At the end of the day even if you satnd by your beliefs it is still down to the Board to listen to you and address the problem. Would you say signing the man to not one but two extensions since 2006 (actually three I believe) knowing what you know is addressing the problem?

olgitgooner · Post by **olgitgooner** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:57 pm

Post by **QuartzGooner** » Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:06 am

What part of having Â£30M to spend on players means we cannot afford Martin Keown's salary as a defensive coach, probably about Â£500,000 a year?

The part that says: Arsene Wenger did not ask Martin Keown back to the club after summer 2006.

Despite Keown as defensive coach achieving 10 consecutive Champions League clean sheets with a defence that sometimes had Flamini as left back and Senderos as centre back.

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:43 am

QuartzGooner wrote:What part of having Â£30M to spend on players means we cannot afford Martin Keown's salary as a defensive coach, probably about Â£500,000 a year?

The part that says: Arsene Wenger did not ask Martin Keown back to the club after summer 2006.

Despite Keown as defensive coach achieving 10 consecutive Champions League clean sheets with a defence that sometimes had Flamini as left back and Senderos as centre back.

And also had Sol Campbell and Kolo Toure in Central defence as well along with Jens Lehmann in goal, Lauren at right baclk and maybe most importantly of all Patrick Vieira and Gilberto Silva protecting the back four in central midfield.

goonersid · Post by **goonersid** » Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:02 am

[quote="SteveO 35"]http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... ively-weak

â€œI donâ€™t think we are weak defensively but we are an offensive team,â€

Post by **flash gunner** » Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:05 am

[quote="goonersid"][quote="SteveO 35"]http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... ively-weak

â€œI donâ€™t think we are weak defensively but we are an offensive team,â€

supergeorgegraham · Post by **supergeorgegraham** » Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:10 am

Fact Wenger was great for Arsenal until 2006 and Hitler was great for Germany until 1939.
Both dictators took their subject to utter and total ruin.
Fact is Wenger is a dictator and not a manager. Far too much power ruins everything.
He is also very crap at the defensive part of the game. So was Hitler he didnt let his troops leave Stalingrad when the had the chance.

Post by **flash gunner** » Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:11 am

supergeorgegraham wrote:Fact Wenger was great for Arsenal until 2006 and Hitler was great for Germany until 1939.
Both dictators took their subject to utter and total ruin.
Fact is Wenger is a dictator and not a manager. Far too much power ruins everything.
He is also very crap at the defensive part of the game. So was Hitler he didnt let his troops leave Stalingrad when the had the chance.

Youre joking, right?

LDB · Post by **LDB** » Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:21 am

USMartin wrote:But let's assume he did "just change" like you would claim here. Why hasn't the Board noticed or reacted to it?

Because he was making them money and the fans weren't complaining.

marcengels · Post by **marcengels** » Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:27 am

flash gunner wrote:
supergeorgegraham wrote:Fact Wenger was great for Arsenal until 2006 and Hitler was great for Germany until 1939.
Both dictators took their subject to utter and total ruin.
Fact is Wenger is a dictator and not a manager. Far too much power ruins everything.
He is also very crap at the defensive part of the game. So was Hitler he didnt let his troops leave Stalingrad when the had the chance.

Youre joking, right?

History for numbskulls by sgg.

Jumpers For Goalposts · Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:31 am

marcengels wrote:
flash gunner wrote:
supergeorgegraham wrote:Fact Wenger was great for Arsenal until 2006 and Hitler was great for Germany until 1939.
Both dictators took their subject to utter and total ruin.
Fact is Wenger is a dictator and not a manager. Far too much power ruins everything.
He is also very crap at the defensive part of the game. So was Hitler he didnt let his troops leave Stalingrad when the had the chance.

Youre joking, right?

History for numbskulls by sgg.

For fuck's sake

I've grown to dislike Wenger over the last few years but comparing him to Hitler is a tiny bit over the top mate!!

Compare him to someone like David Brent - that is far more appropriate for someone that has no concept of how monumentally stupid he is.

TeeCee · Post by **TeeCee** » Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:05 am

At last, a bit of genuine knowledge on here!!

Wenger being compared to Hitler.......mmmmm there are similarities certainly, total refusal to listen to anyone else, ultimate dictator, been shagging a mistress........

However, Hitler maintained his defence till the end, Wenger gave up on that years ago!!

Offside · Post by **Offside** » Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:21 am

Hitler had a lot of success at the start, rolling over weak opposition. But as time went on, he couldn't cut it against the bigger armies and eventually even the weak opposition started to work out how to stop him. The turning point was the Battle of Britain. In 1940, Hitler failed to knock out Britain. If he had done that, it would have left Europe at his mercy and the whole history of war would have been entirely different. In 2004, Arsenal failed to knock out Chelsea. If they had done that, it would have left Europe at their mercy and the whole history of the last few years would have been entirely different. Those defeats gave Britain/Chelsea confidence.

Babu · Post by **Babu** » Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:23 am

TeeCee wrote:At last, a bit of genuine knowledge on here!!

Wenger being compared to Hitler.......mmmmm there are similarities certainly, total refusal to listen to anyone else, ultimate dictator, been shagging a mistress........

However, Hitler maintained his defence till the end, Wenger gave up on that years ago!!

I would say the similarity is pretty accurate.

Hitler tried to keep his defences strong, but the competitors continually invested money in improving their offensive powers and finally became stronger and defeated him.

also Hitler only had Plan A, and should really have invested a bit of time in a Plan B, same as Wenger.

Also the rise of Hitler and Wenger are pretty similar:

Hitler got good allies and relied on surprise attacks to gain ground. The japs were a good partner at first, and strolling into Poland was a master-stroke, as was Pearl Harbour ( at first ).

David Dein and the FA were a good ally for AW at first, and changing the diet was also a stroke of luck!

What found both of them out was; only one Plan, much too stubborn and inflexible; the luck ran out; not enough forward planning and not enough studying of history.

Napoleon failed in the Russian winter, as did Hitler.
Graham ( and Mee and Neill ) failed to strengthen from a position of power, same as Wenger.

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