9/11 Tenth Anniversary

[ThomasMitchell]

in 20 years it will come out that the plane that crashed in the woods was shot down, no way did the passengers do that, why would they?

Maybe because they had backbone? Not saying the others didn't but they stood up and were counted when it really mattered. Don't wanna talk about this any more but I would rather remember the sheer heroism, no other word for it, of those on United 93 and those in the emergency services who made the ultimate sacrifice, and those who didn't to be fair.

thats rubbish, they would not sacrifice there life if there is a 0.01% chance of survival...cant believe they would have known about what had already happened seeing as phones dont work in the sky.

Actually this is what you said, so that clearly suggests that you are claiming the calls did not happen.

[flash gunner]

my very post on this subject intimated that the passengers did not take the plane down

but also you said that there were no phones for passenger to contact loved ones on and get news of the twin towers thus makingf them realise they might have to do something (ie storm the terrorists) or end up in a similar situation

[ThomasMitchell]

And of course the very reason they stormed the cockpit is precisely because they were given news from the ground of what was going on elsewhere. They knew if they didn't try to do something they were doomed.

[slag]

does not change the fact i do not believe the passengers took the plane down, why would they if that would mean certain death when that may not have been the end result? and the phonecalls were suspicous esp the one made to his mother where he says his first and last name and also where was the debris?, bones, belongings, suitaces?

[DB10GOONER]

does not change the fact i do not believe the passengers took the plane down, why would they if that would mean certain death when that may not have been the end result? and the phonecalls were suspicous esp the one made to his mother where he says his first and last name

Mate, they didn't take the plane down. They tried to overpower the terrorists and regain control of the plane if possible, is my understanding of it. It is likely the terrorist flying either took the plane down or he lost control during the attempted attack by the passengers.

There are recordings of the passengers speaking to family members and discussing the Twin Towers attacks and discussing attacking the terrorists on their plane. It's a bit disrespectful to those brave people that tried to take back their plane to say it never happened.

[I Hate Hleb]

does not change the fact i do not believe the passengers took the plane down, why would they if that would mean certain death when that may not have been the end result? and the phonecalls were suspicous esp the one made to his mother where he says his first and last name and also where was the debris?, bones, belongings, suitaces?

Given what had happened with the other 3 planes, why wouldn't they try and wrestle control back of the plane, seeing as the only outcome if they didn't try at that point was certain death?

[northbankbren]

does not change the fact i do not believe the passengers took the plane down, why would they if that would mean certain death when that may not have been the end result? and the phonecalls were suspicous esp the one made to his mother where he says his first and last name

Mate, they didn't take the plane down. They tried to overpower the terrorists and regain control of the plane if possible, is my understanding of it. It is likely the terrorist flying either took the plane down or he lost control during the attempted attack by the passengers.

There are recordings of the passengers speaking to family members and discussing the Twin Towers attacks and discussing attacking the terrorists on their plane. It's a bit disrespectful to those brave people that tried to take back their plane to say it never happened.

Agree with DB10. From what I understand those on united 93 had been made aware through the phone calls that the trade centres has been hit. This is why they chose to try and fight the terrorists, because they were HEROES. They were willing to fight in order to save others.

I have to honest and say that I dont buy into hardly any of the 9/11 theories, apart from one. Which Im not saying I agree with, but I am suspicious of. That is the collapse of building 7. I remember first seeing a news report on that was broadcast live on bbc reporting the collapse of building 7, yet live behind the reporter building 7 still stood. Here's the link to a few of the vids...

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now for me that is suspicious. I also remember watching a doc on the subject, where there we numerous bulding design and demolition experts, who gave loads and loads of scientific facts as to how the building wouldnt have collapsed as it did under fire, and that it did indeed have all the trademarks or a controlled demolition. I honestly cant remember whethter it was on bbc2 or channel 4, but I do remember it being on terristrail tv. And it really did make me suspisious. The doc wasnt in anyway suggesting that the events of 9/11 were not terrorist attacks, but that the collaspe of building 7 wasnt a collapse and was a cover up of incompitence. Cant find a link, but does anyone else remember this doc?

This is one of the theories I am suspicious of, both the FBI and CIA from what I understand had offices in building 7. And as has been revealed it was the communication breakdown between the two that allowed these scum to go undetected through security checks. It would suggest that they may have brought down building 7 in order to cover up the massive mistake that they had made in letting these scum get through the system.

Again Im not saying I believe this to be true, but I am suspicious.

[RossieGooner]

Have only spotted this thread.

Firstly - I am not a massive conspiracy theorist, but there definitely some episodes in US history that smack of black ops, cover ups, etc. There is no doubt that the truth is not always to the forefront of US "Government" priorities in the aftermath of certain events. I use the term "Government" loosely as I think that it is more likely that it is CIA, US Military or similar bodies that are responsible for this policy rather than conventional government. They point to the fact that "National Security" is much more important than take a chance on the US public being able to handle the truth. The assasination of JFK and UFOs at Roswell are just 2 examples of this kind of lack of information and blatant coverup.

Secondly - Before anyone jumps down my throat about not having any connection to 9/11 and therefore shouldnt be commenting on it, my cousin was very fortunate to have been in Ireland on holiday for a relations wedding when the attacks happened. She worked in the 2nd Tower hit, just a few floors above where the plane impacted. She lost very many friends and work colleagues, and it has affected her more than i can convey in a few sentences on here.

My belief is this though. The US authorities knew that an attack of some kind was imminent, but greatly underestimated the potential scale of same attack. I believe that the towers collapsed themselves and that a plane hit the Pentagon. There was no coverup there. What i have a massive problem with is Flight 93. I believe the plane was shot down, even though the passengers were indeed attempting to retake the plane. There were fighters in the sky protecting Washington and the plane was only 10 minutes from its intended target of the White House. There is no way on earth that plane was going to be let (a) get to hit the White House and (b) get over populated areas before being taken down. The debris was spread as far away as 8 miles. An engine was found over a mile away. This debris dispersal could not happen if the plane was whole on impact. Despite the reasons to shoot the plane down, the US public would still have trouble understanding the need to shoot down a US plane full of Americans by their own US Air Force. It was much easier to elevate the passengers to heroes than admit what really happened.


Either way it was a terrible day. I remember watching it on TV in disbelief. I also thought it was the beginning of the end of the world. And the feeling of desperation trying to get news of my cousin - not even knowing that she was not in the building.

[arseofacrow]

does not change the fact i do not believe the passengers took the plane down, why would they if that would mean certain death when that may not have been the end result? and the phonecalls were suspicous esp the one made to his mother where he says his first and last name and also where was the debris?, bones, belongings, suitaces?

Given what had happened with the other 3 planes, why wouldn't they try and wrestle control back of the plane, seeing as the only outcome if they didn't try at that point was certain death?

Why bother IHH? slag is one of the people who think if they repeat something long and often enough, people will start to believe it. Of course, he doesn't have to present evidence - you know, it's just his opinion!

[olgitgooner]

I bumped this up because I've recently had some quite nasty "conversations" with conspiracy theory believers on Youtube.

Some of these people were as deluded to the same degree as the suicide terrorists who believed they would wake up in paradise, surrounded by beautiful virgins. And some of them immediately launched into vicious and personal attacks, purely because I suggested they ought to take a look at some evidence which would challenge their opinions. It's the same thing as religious extremism. The Church of Conspiracy.

These mugs don't realise they have been sold a totally flawed concept. And that a lot of money is being made at their expense (over 3,000 books published, video,TV, radio, conferences, tee shirts etc,etc,etc). Worst of all is the lack of respect for the loved ones of all those victims. Typified by the disgusting behaviour at Ground Zero when they refuse to let people grieve in peace.

For those interested enough, and have ninety minutes to spare, this is probably the best de-bunking video I've seen......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hFS_MoH ... aHZm3oa6PQ

[Top Londoner]

You Tube vid's about the Pentagon airline attack are very interesting.

My advice, keep an open mind

[QuartzGooner]

Youtube comments are generally the refuge of the disenfranchised and outright odd.
When it first launched I had a few bust ups on there, but realised I was talking to non rational people.
Best to avoid them altogether Olgit, are a non-moderated hiding to nothing.

[olgitgooner]

I enjoyed this comment from youtube.......

"Psychological studies have shown that people who generally believe in conspiracy theories tend to be of the type that have little control over their own lives but at the same time hold strong personal feelings of freedom and indivuality. They seek meaning in their lives by blaming their lack of control over various institutions such as corrupt governments. Once believed, cognitive dissonance then takes hold to the point of disregarding all evidence to the contrary."