Arsenal Artillery 1886

mikeyb772001 · Post by **mikeyb772001** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:12 am

The Club will never move anyone so its pointless trying.

Suggestions like this wont come into fruition in the near future. However I have a few ideas that can work nowâ€¦

First one is quite simple. As a stadium there are not many chants that circulate around the whole ground with any volume. The only one we have is â€œby far the only teamâ€

Reg Niseth · Post by **Reg Niseth** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:14 am

Everything you have been suggesting is on the agenda when the BSM meet the club on Wednesday and has been our concern since its inception.

We are entering a period whereby the club can be influenced and make changes for next season. There are no ST holders on the CE. Why not offer those three blocks between the FE and and away fans (if we can't get them shifted upstairs) to ex-CE ST holders that now find themselves in a part of the ground they're not comfortable with?

Yes, the club will say they'll have to be moved for cup matches, but given the choice I'd prefer to be inconvenienced by the odd move than have nothing at all.

The reaction to our proposals we'll be determine our next step.

Experience tells me that if you want change you first need to detemine how it can be done . . . and then sell the idea.

mikeyb772001 · Post by **mikeyb772001** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:25 am

Reg Niseth wrote:Everything you have been suggesting is on the agenda when the BSM meet the club on Wednesday and has been our concern since its inception.

We are entering a period whereby the club can be influenced and make changes for next season. There are no ST holders on the CE. Why not offer those three blocks between the FE and and away fans (if we can't get them shifted upstairs) to ex-CE ST holders that now find themselves in a part of the ground they're not comfortable with?

Yes, the club will say they'll have to be moved for cup matches, but given the choice I'd prefer to be inconvenienced by the odd move than have nothing at all.

The reaction to our proposals we'll be determine our next step.

Experience tells me that if you want change you first need to detemine how it can be done . . . and then sell the idea.

Can you bring up the issues with block 5 and 6 in the meeting Reg?

Maybe suggest that the club can do more to market the 2 blocks to encourage more to join in. If we got those 2 blocks at full capacity (noise wise) surely this is a huge step in the right direction.

Also itâ€™s the most simple right now!

M-50 · Post by **M-50** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:27 am

Not falling in love with The Arsenal Artillery today so if anyone has any name suggestions fire ahead

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:38 am

[quote="mikeyb772001"]The Club will never move anyone so its pointless trying.

Suggestions like this wont come into fruition in the near future. However I have a few ideas that can work nowâ€¦

First one is quite simple. As a stadium there are not many chants that circulate around the whole ground with any volume. The only one we have is â€œby far the only teamâ€

mikeyb772001 · Post by **mikeyb772001** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:48 am

[quote="Boomer"][quote="mikeyb772001"]The Club will never move anyone so its pointless trying.

Suggestions like this wont come into fruition in the near future. However I have a few ideas that can work nowâ€¦

First one is quite simple. As a stadium there are not many chants that circulate around the whole ground with any volume. The only one we have is â€œby far the only teamâ€

M-50 · Post by **M-50** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:58 am

The Arsenal Brigade

The Gooner Brigade

The AFC Brigade

AFC Battalion

AFC Brigade

AFC Artillery

The Arsenal Battalion

The Gooner Battalion

The Arsenal Infantry

AFC Infantry

northbankbren · Post by **northbankbren** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:00 pm

I think one of the main problems is actually getting tickets for a certain area. The only time i've ever been able to get a few seats together in block 5/6 is for cup games. And these are rare. Know the likes of mikey and his mates will always let you bunk in with them which is great but this leads to one of the problems or fears the club have.

By creating a singing section in the ground they are open for people who cant get tickets for this area bunking in breaking health a safety rules. This is why the who block 5/6 thing has always been unofficial.

Didnt red action have a thing where they could get season ticket holders who wanted to get into 5/6 be relocated? Was this sanctioned and just didnt get much uptake, or did the club not allow this to happen?

I know its sad, but think the song sheet idea is good, start with just the north bank upper and lower. Make a point of being loud and vocal for one particular game as a test, and see how that goes. Anyone remember the cwc semi against psg, they had the cards on the seats to be help up, but there was a message on the back urging everyone to sing as loud as they could (think it might have been a message by TA6?). They also got jeremy beadle out on the pitch which to wind everyone up and get the blood pumping. Mikeys Idea for singing "the greatest team" as the players come out is a great idea too, as it will get everyone up for it before kick off.

I think it just boils down to the new breed of fans that the new stadium has brought....they just dont want to sing.

Hopefully something can change

worthing gooner · Post by **worthing gooner** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:00 pm

It's not only getting lads together but our lack of variety in songs means we are singing the same chants 5 times or more per game!!! If anyone can be botherd keep an ear our for how many times we repeat them.

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:07 pm

M-50 wrote:The Arsenal Brigade

The Gooner Brigade

The AFC Brigade

AFC Battalion

AFC Brigade

AFC Artillery

The Arsenal Battalion

The Gooner Battalion

The Arsenal Infantry

AFC Infantry

You're concentrating too much on the name then the plan/policy of the group.

Personally I don't like any of the above.
If you want to go down that road now I think it should say who we are which is "Gooners". Reclaim the word.

Sadly I don't think the name is enough it needs to have a "what it says on the tin" line.

For example 'Gooners vocal section' in terms of the name of a block.
Crap I know but you know what the group is.

M-50 · Post by **M-50** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:07 pm

The Bunker Brigade

The Bunker Battalion

New singing section could be called "The North Bank/Clock End Bunker"

mikeyb772001 · Post by **mikeyb772001** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:13 pm

northbankbren wrote:I think one of the main problems is actually getting tickets for a certain area. The only time i've ever been able to get a few seats together in block 5/6 is for cup games. And these are rare. Know the likes of mikey and his mates will always let you bunk in with them which is great but this leads to one of the problems or fears the club have.

By creating a singing section in the ground they are open for people who cant get tickets for this area bunking in breaking health a safety rules. This is why the who block 5/6 thing has always been unofficial.

Didnt red action have a thing where they could get season ticket holders who wanted to get into 5/6 be relocated? Was this sanctioned and just didnt get much uptake, or did the club not allow this to happen?

I know its sad, but think the song sheet idea is good, start with just the north bank upper and lower. Make a point of being loud and vocal for one particular game as a test, and see how that goes. Anyone remember the cwc semi against psg, they had the cards on the seats to be help up, but there was a message on the back urging everyone to sing as loud as they could (think it might have been a message by TA6?). They also got jeremy beadle out on the pitch which to wind everyone up and get the blood pumping. Mikeys Idea for singing "the greatest team" as the players come out is a great idea too, as it will get everyone up for it before kick off.

I think it just boils down to the new breed of fans that the new stadium has brought....they just dont want to sing.

Hopefully something can change

I agree with that Bren.

But my point is simple, we have those blocks where we already have a season ticket only area with â€œso called like minded peopleâ€

M-50 · Post by **M-50** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:15 pm

Boomer wrote:
M-50 wrote:The Arsenal Brigade

The Gooner Brigade

The AFC Brigade

AFC Battalion

AFC Brigade

AFC Artillery

The Arsenal Battalion

The Gooner Battalion

The Arsenal Infantry

AFC Infantry
You're concentrating too much on the name then the plan/policy of the group.

There is no real contingency plan in place other than, for the better, we want to change the atmosphere in the stadium, by whichever means possible and no matter how small. Anything positive is an improvement on the current set-up.

For now, I believe finding a suitable name is key to the Group and it's campaigns. Yes, Gooners etc is definitely something to look to. I know everything I've put up is sh1te but you gotta start somewhere.

At least I'm trying

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:22 pm

I don't know how this can be done (maybe speak with Reg/BSM) but get this new group set-up like a supporters club.

I don't quite know how they operate but by starting to get 'like minded fans' applying for tickets.
Hopefully ask the club to allocate the same area each game and with a view to expanding including season ticket allocation into this area.

Rather then let the club sort the seating of this area get the club to point fans into the Groups direction.

Dan_85 · Post by **Dan_85** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:28 pm

Boomer wrote:I don't know how this can be done (maybe speak with Reg/BSM) but get this new group set-up like a supporters club.

I don't quite know how they operate but by starting to get 'like minded fans' applying for tickets.
Hopefully ask the club to allocate the same area each game and with a view to expanding including season ticket allocation into this area.

Rather then let the club sort the seating of this area get the club to point fans into the Groups direction.

This should be something that's addressed as a top priority. Sadly I don't see it happening as it would require Arsenal giving up an element of control. In Europe, the club give tickets for a certain area to the supporters group who then sell them on to the most vocal supporters, so they're getting exactly the kinda people they want in their section.

Getting a supporters group set up should be one of the first, most important issues we address. Strength in numbers. Like minded fans who'll work together & stand together. Sadly, organisation is not a strength of the English mentality.