Just Who Is Arsenal's Greatest Ever Manager?

[highburyJD]

and yet somehow the specific accusation of theft is becoming common currency here...
very strange and IMO a bit sad in it's divisive disrespectfulness

the manager has plenty of flaws - why make up slanderous additional ones?

Wenger is in full collusion with the boards financial asset stripping policy since the new stadium was built, fans have been ripped off with massive ticket prices whilst the best players have & will continue to be sold, the club has made money from past & current construction projects around the local area which has not benefited the club at all.

Wenger has also been paid well above the going rate of his more successful rivals for his role in the financial fiddle at Arsenal PLC, he is not a victim of the boards financial regime but instead has his fingers firmly in the pot.

Wenger & the board are two cheeks of the same arse!!!

Yet George Graham always get's slaughtered by the AKB's for £400,00 given to him by an agent, peanuts compared to how Wenger has enriched himself at the expense of our supporters by tens of millions of pounds!!!!

He is no longer a football man just a greedy fatcat financier operating in the football industry

surely you can see the difference between being (in your opinion) overpaid
and accepting a bung illegally...?

[Wengerball]

Its got to be Herbert Chapman- he took us from the doldrums and established us as a force in the game.

[augie]

and yet somehow the specific accusation of theft is becoming common currency here...
very strange and IMO a bit sad in it's divisive disrespectfulness

the manager has plenty of flaws - why make up slanderous additional ones?

Wenger is in full collusion with the boards financial asset stripping policy since the new stadium was built, fans have been ripped off with massive ticket prices whilst the best players have & will continue to be sold, the club has made money from past & current construction projects around the local area which has not benefited the club at all.

Wenger has also been paid well above the going rate of his more successful rivals for his role in the financial fiddle at Arsenal PLC, he is not a victim of the boards financial regime but instead has his fingers firmly in the pot.

Wenger & the board are two cheeks of the same arse!!!

Yet George Graham always get's slaughtered by the AKB's for £400,00 given to him by an agent, peanuts compared to how Wenger has enriched himself at the expense of our supporters by tens of millions of pounds!!!!

He is no longer a football man just a greedy fatcat financier operating in the football industry

surely you can see the difference between being (in your opinion) overpaid
and accepting a bung illegally...?

I get what you are saying but does that mean that, in your opinion, GG pocketing 400k from an agent would be ok if it was in his contract ? I think that what was being said in the post you quoted, is that wenker is an integral part of the asset stripping of our club and is getting paid well over the odds (highest paid manager in world football ) for his co-operation and silence on the matter. It pisses me off to see akb's always say that wenger is a man of morals and integrity whilst also saying that he is getting screwed by the board on player sales and recruits.....why doesn't he resign then ? Surely a man of his reputation would have enough standing in the game to walk away with his rep intact ? Maybe the 7.5m and the freedom afforded him are the reasons he stays and if so his silence is being bought and he would be far from a man of integrity

[SteveO 35]

I've changed my mind and opted for Wenger.

None of the others have ever made such large profits and as we all know that's what us ungrateful fans should be getting excited about

ONE ARSENE WENGER.....THERE'S ONLY ONE ARSENE WENGER

[highburyJD]

I get what you are saying but does that mean that, in your opinion, GG pocketing 400k from an agent would be ok if it was in his contract ?

personally I think its a mistake to have contracts like that at all
but yes, I do think it would have been totally different (they'd have had to g=find a diff reason to sack GG for a start)

I think that what was being said in the post you quoted, is that wenker is an integral part of the asset stripping of our club and is getting paid well over the odds (highest paid manager in world football ) for his co-operation and silence on the matter.

as I said, I understand the frustration,
I don't think ANY football club should be allowed to be run as a business
but calling him a thief is pseudo-Marxist BS, he's doing a paid, legal job of work

It pisses me off to see akb's always say that wenger is a man of morals and integrity whilst also saying that he is getting screwed by the board on player sales and recruits.....why doesn't he resign then ? Surely a man of his reputation would have enough standing in the game to walk away with his rep intact ? Maybe the 7.5m and the freedom afforded him are the reasons he stays and if so his silence is being bought and he would be far from a man of integrity

we can't see into another mans soul, he cheated on his mrs for example
who knows. I see him as a man of integrity but you're right, I'm just guessing.
I don't think his big wages are for his silence - there for his amazing income generating ability

[northbank123]

HJD I think it's time somebody gave you a lesson on the context behind words after your last hissy-fit regarding "fraud".

[highburyJD]

sure I'm not beyond reproach, many of us have hastily 'flamed' responses to things we don't like here
I've made the, even less excusable, mistake of not considering different (relatively obvious) ways a post could be read

I know this website has been suspended once before, by the owner I think
don't know the background but the narrative seemed to be - don't post stuff that could get the site shut down

TBH I have multiple probs with the accusations/statements/rants about theft:
I personally find the disrespect for Wenger distasteful
but this is a forum that to some extent favours the (rapidly growing) minority view - fire Wenger now
and people who want blanket positivity can go elsewhere (I think the official board is called pravda on here)

but does EVERY SINGLE thread on this board have to be a competitive escalation of Wenger abuse?
I try and stay out of it, focusing on history and away days, but really -
this is a "greatest ever" thread,
no need for me to call Bertie Mee a useless physio prick if I think Chapman's the right answer...

[Almunia is a clown]

Wenger doesn't deserve to be mentioned in this poll as a football manager

Wengers wages since Arsenal last won a trophy = £56 million

Arsenal transfer profit selling & buying players since the club last won a trophy £49 million

Source BSM member post on another forum

He is nothing more than a fraud, same as a fat cat banker

[highburyJD]

what a pity there are no Wenger slating threads on this message board...
forcing poor innocent posters into 'all-time greatest' threads to whinge about weekend cupsets

no other Arsenal manager ever lost to lower division opposition in the cup
and Saturday's lame performance fundamentally changes everything thats gone before
silly post

[goonergeoff]

Has to be Chapman,Wenger was very good up to 2006,and Graham turned things around,but Chapman had vision far ahead of his time. Sad to say but i now hate Wenger,Saturday was the last straw.

[highburyJD]

Chapman v Wenger is a bit Lennon v McArtney
hard to compete with the perfect dead
expiring before becoming old an annoying isnt really a talent
more a stroke of 'luck'

living managers still have an opportunity to turn things round I guess
would love to see Wenger and Szcesczza change some minds v Bayern...
(or George Graham come back and win us something - could probably accept boring football if it came from GG)

[flash gunner]

Chapman v Wenger is a bit Lennon v McArtney
hard to compete with the perfect dead
expiring before becoming old an annoying isnt really a talent
more a stroke of 'luck'

You havwe to look at it objectively JD in the same way you would about Lennon/Mcartney..... Weigh up what they did as opposed to what they didnt do.... Personally i know its time for Wenger to go and im beginning to hate him for what he's doing to my club but i still rate his achievements as higher than Chapman or Graham, now i might be wrong but it my opinion. Just look objectively and you'll come to an answer

[highburyJD]

I hope Wenger can still add to his pros
I fear he could add a major con - no CL football next season

[I Hate Hleb]

Chapman v Wenger is a bit Lennon v McArtney
hard to compete with the perfect dead
expiring before becoming old an annoying isnt really a talent
more a stroke of 'luck'

living managers still have an opportunity to turn things round I guess
would love to see Wenger and Szcesczza change some minds v Bayern...
(or George Graham come back and win us something - could probably accept boring football if it came from GG)

Is that really what your defence of Wenger has come down to?

[highburyJD]

wasn't really a defence - I'm 100% Lennon in that battle...