As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Riotof91 wrote:Fans/media have this romantic myth about loyalty in football but it's always a one way street, there's no loyalty from the club towards the players, they perform a service & when they can't do it to a certain level it's adios. That's not necessarily a bad thing of course & one could argue it's actually a fault of ours not being ruthless enough, If Diaby, Arteta, Flamoney, Sanogoals, Szczesny etc were fucked off this summer we'd have a fucking party.
It's true that he gave us just one full season, but it's also true that the clubs ambitions were/are to finish 4th & he was coming to the end of his career with no hope of winning the league.
I'm one of those who hold Wenger more accountable for the transfer then RVP, when it happened I wasn't in the least bit shocked. Had Wenger actually built a title winning side RVP would still be here, RVP was playing with the likes of Bendtner, Squilaci, Silvestre, Almunia, Denilson *shudders*
Every top player should want to win the top trophies, it's the club & managers job to make this a suitable place for that, the fact is the RVP transfer was a consequence of Wenger failing to do his job.
markyp wrote:can we just remember who we are and what we represent as Arsenal supporters when Cesc returns,its all well and good talking about other clubs supporters being thugs or chavs,its a bit hypocritical when some here are talking of behaving just like that on Sunday towards Cesc.lets face it we lost a lot of players to Barca,but Cesc was a Barca boy before he played for us,the draw of returning must have been pretty overwhelming for him and to be fair wtf have we won in the time that he was there?Its not his fault that hes a Chelsea player,he'd have returned to us in a heart beat but Wenker didn't want him so as Cesc what you gonna do about it?When a club like Chelsea come in for you you join,its a no brainer,you go to Chelsea and win league titles and get paid handsomely.i finds it a bit pathetic that people here want to blame him for leaving and now being a chav,was he supposed to sit the season out and hope that another big non English club come in for him during January?get real chaps,hes a professional footballer,he wants to be in work as much as you or I do,get the fuck over it,act with a bit of 'Arsenal class' and welcome him home warmly
Again it needs to be said, no one had a problem with Cesc leaving as we weren't going anywhere, and he was joining one of the biggest clubs in the world, so it was a no-brainer, but there are ways of doing things, and if you sulk to get your move then it shows a complete lack of class. Also, do you really think that Chelsea would have been the only team in for him? It was his decision to join a classless racist club. I don't think he should be booed on Sunday, but im not accepting this pretence that he is an innocent nice lad, he is a classless muppet, just like the team he represents.
It's actually very simple - when your former captain, who has been at the club since he was 16, decides to dedicate the best years of his career to playing for Chelsea, the fans have every right to be displeased with the club and player for allowing such a despicable thing to happen.
I respect those who don't see a problem with it, and fair play if you don't want to let Wenger or Cesc know that you disapprove, and if you really feel the need to applaud the lad then fill your boots, but it's quite normal to disapprove and plenty will quite rightly show that by booing.
do you really think that Chelsea would have been the only team in for him? It was his decision to join a classless racist club.
In London :- probably yes .
His quote at the time of joining was :-
“It’s the best city in the world, for me” there is something about London that me and my wife love.
Cesc Fabregas
Maybe he could have joined another London club , but that was highly unlikely.
You can judge cesc for the way he left and the fact that he joined the chavs, but the bottom line is that le cock pushed him into the chav's hands Cesc looks to leave barca (where he was criminally underappreciated ), and all wenker had to do was tell barca and cesc that we want him back and he would be playing in red and white on sunday - le cock rejected him so why should he refuse to join someone who wanted him because the club he wanted to join turned him down ?
I'm not defending cesc's actions in his last 12 months with us, BUT it's funny that nobody cites henry for the way he flirted with barca and fcuked us about for the whole 2005/2006 season If he didnt feel robbed by barca in paris 06 he would have joined them like a shot that summer and personally I dont see the difference except that barca was cesc's hometown/boyhood club so the heart strings would have been stronger for cesc imo. Henry was welcomed back like a prodigan son when he returned to us and would have been treated the same the following summer even though everyone could see that the man was well past it - this was a player that was winning trophies with us and had no real reason to leave, being treated much differently than a guy who wanted to win medals and knew that a holy medal was all he was ever gonna get with us
Some fans also chose to ignore that he left his boyhood club to join us - that wouldnt have been an easy decision for him but he did what was best for his career and that is exactly what he did when he left us and when he joined the chavs
Cesc's seasons are all a bit groundhog day for me. Starts the season on fire followed by a mid season slump where his form plummets (was even getting boo'd by the chavs at one point, classy lot). Then the inevitable 8 week lay off with injury before being around for the run in looking like half the player that started the campaign.
Only difference is the chavs and Barca have/had the squad to cope with it, when Cesc dropped out for us we were left screwed by Denilson.
augie wrote:You can judge cesc for the way he left and the fact that he joined the chavs, but the bottom line is that le cock pushed him into the chav's hands Cesc looks to leave barca (where he was criminally underappreciated ), and all wenker had to do was tell barca and cesc that we want him back and he would be playing in red and white on sunday - le cock rejected him so why should he refuse to join someone who wanted him because the club he wanted to join turned him down ?
I'm not defending cesc's actions in his last 12 months with us, BUT it's funny that nobody cites henry for the way he flirted with barca and fcuked us about for the whole 2005/2006 season If he didnt feel robbed by barca in paris 06 he would have joined them like a shot that summer and personally I dont see the difference except that barca was cesc's hometown/boyhood club so the heart strings would have been stronger for cesc imo. Henry was welcomed back like a prodigan son when he returned to us and would have been treated the same the following summer even though everyone could see that the man was well past it - this was a player that was winning trophies with us and had no real reason to leave, being treated much differently than a guy who wanted to win medals and knew that a holy medal was all he was ever gonna get with us
Some fans also chose to ignore that he left his boyhood club to join us - that wouldnt have been an easy decision for him but he did what was best for his career and that is exactly what he did when he left us and when he joined the chavs
Irregardless of what they say, and I'm sure they feel a great deal of debt to Wenger as players & on a personal level he seems like a good guy(minus the arrogance), Henry left because he thought Wenger was incapable of winning the CL, Vieira too, Cesc left because he thought the same (+League+FA cup) as did RVP. I don't see a great deal of difference, all their transfers are consequence of Wenger's failures. We're not a top tier club (Madrid, Barca, Man U, Bayern) & he's not a top tier manager, until we get one, or at least the ambition to become top tier, we'll always be a stepping stone.
augie wrote:You can judge cesc for the way he left and the fact that he joined the chavs, but the bottom line is that le cock pushed him into the chav's hands Cesc looks to leave barca (where he was criminally underappreciated ), and all wenker had to do was tell barca and cesc that we want him back and he would be playing in red and white on sunday - le cock rejected him so why should he refuse to join someone who wanted him because the club he wanted to join turned him down ?
I'm not defending cesc's actions in his last 12 months with us, BUT it's funny that nobody cites henry for the way he flirted with barca and fcuked us about for the whole 2005/2006 season If he didnt feel robbed by barca in paris 06 he would have joined them like a shot that summer and personally I dont see the difference except that barca was cesc's hometown/boyhood club so the heart strings would have been stronger for cesc imo. Henry was welcomed back like a prodigan son when he returned to us and would have been treated the same the following summer even though everyone could see that the man was well past it - this was a player that was winning trophies with us and had no real reason to leave, being treated much differently than a guy who wanted to win medals and knew that a holy medal was all he was ever gonna get with us
Some fans also chose to ignore that he left his boyhood club to join us - that wouldnt have been an easy decision for him but he did what was best for his career and that is exactly what he did when he left us and when he joined the chavs
Irregardless of what they say, and I'm sure they feel a great deal of debt to Wenger as players & on a personal level he seems like a good guy(minus the arrogance), Henry left because he thought Wenger was incapable of winning the CL, Vieira too, Cesc left because he thought the same (+League+FA cup) as did RVP. I don't see a great deal of difference, all their transfers are consequence of Wenger's failures. We're not a top tier club (Madrid, Barca, Man U, Bayern) & he's not a top tier manager, until we get one, or at least the ambition to become top tier, we'll always be a stepping stone.
You are stating the obvious though. Of course they left because they wanted to win stuff. Of course Wenger is the main object stopping us winning. We all know that and accept that to one degree or other.
What we are talking about is integrity and loyalty. Just stating that players are not loyal anymore does not make it something we should accept. It is wrong, and is one of many things that are wrong with the modern game.
Also, others on here are justifying what one player did by using another player's actions as the justification. That also does not excuse a player that shafts his club. The VanJudasCunt case in particular irritates me when people defend him. Yet not one of those people has answered my repeatedly asked question; WHY DID RVJC NOT QUESTION OUR AMBITIONS FOR THE 7 YEARS HE LAY ON THE TREATMENT TABLE. Anyone?
Yeah yeah yeah, players are greedy, we get it, well spotted. The fact is though that they are not "justified" in being so now days. Football at the top level is no longer a short career that spits out crippled ex-pros with maybe just enough money to buy a pub. These modern greedy fuckers are multi millionaires before they are 23 in most cases, no matter how successful or not they are.
augie wrote:So was henry a judas treacherous c.unt then ?
Us fans are a fickle bunch and a lot of what we think about players moving on basically boils down to where they end up. Regardless of what stunts are pulled by a player or agent there's a lot of forgiveness (or even if there is some angst it dies away over time) when the player moves abroad - Cesc, PV, Thierry etc. etc.
Cesc to Barca upset us but we weren't reaching for the pitch forks like we did when Cashley went to the chavs or RVP went to the mancs. RVP going to Juve wouldn't have bothered me, him going to United made me want to go on a killing spree. Likewise I was fairly ok with Cesc at the whores but now he's at Chelsea all bets are off. Out of sight out of mind I suppose, probably illogical but it's how I feel none the less.
The whole saga is like a bad break up with a women you really loved, once she breaks up with you she then ends up shagging someone she knows you dont like to fuck you off even more.
augie wrote:So was henry a judas treacherous c.unt then ?
Us fans are a fickle bunch and a lot of what we think about players moving on basically boils down to where they end up. Regardless of what stunts are pulled by a player or agent there's a lot of forgiveness (or even if there is some angst it dies away over time) when the player moves abroad - Cesc, PV, Thierry etc. etc.
Cesc to Barca upset us but we weren't reaching for the pitch forks like we did when Cashley went to the chavs or RVP went to the mancs. RVP going to Juve wouldn't have bothered me, him going to United made me want to go on a killing spree. Likewise I was fairly ok with Cesc at the whores but now he's at Chelsea all bets are off. Out of sight out of mind I suppose, probably illogical but it's how I feel none the less.
Good point. Fabregas left to go "home" and didn't go to one of our PL rivals directly.
I won't boo Cesc but I also won't clap him. He is a chav now.
Augie for me Henry isn't a judas or treacherous crunt the same way PV4 isn't. They were massively successful and moved abroad. Sure they both wrangled and fucked about during their last season or so with us but they had delivered the goods. Similarly I don't view Cesc as a judas as he gave his best and went abroad.
Cashley Ahole (whilst a brilliant player for us) went to a club he (as a Gooner) would know we hate and despise and he went because of money. VanJudasCunt delivered fuck all for 7 years and then similar to the phone molester went to a club he too knew we hated, betraying the loyalty of our fans, manager, board and club. And before some backward fucktard comes on with "yeah but so and so did such and such, all players do blah blah" that's not what I'm arguing here. I know all that old shite. What I'm saying is it's not morally right.
Whilst Cesc, PV4 and Henry's moves were not palatable I don't hate them for it. I feel they gave their best and moved on. Cashley and VanCuntface cannot be considered in the same way.
Cesc looks to leave barca (where he was criminally underappreciated 
If he didnt feel robbed by barca in paris 06 he would have joined them like a shot that summer and personally I dont see the difference except that barca was cesc's hometown/boyhood club so the heart strings would have been stronger for cesc imo. Henry was welcomed back like a prodigan son when he returned to us and would have been treated the same the following summer even though everyone could see that the man was well past it - this was a player that was winning trophies with us and had no real reason to leave, being treated much differently than a guy who wanted to win medals and knew that a holy medal was all he was ever gonna get with us 
