Jack Wilshere

[highburyJD]

there's a sensible conversation to be had about Feo's true level.
Last season and the one before his assist/goal stats are excellent
but they can be deconstructed - vanStaplecunt's movement is awesome.
Feo mostly either scores against good teams or opposition we are already beating.
Both offer space in behind.

IMO Sid's just making himself look silly with this anti Jack thread.
Just his body shape as he receives the ball is special. He def needs to improve his movement.
Him and Santi have had some amazingly interplay but I believe their linkup play will massively improve this season.

Said it on here as he came through.
Will say it again: Wilshere will be better than Gazza.

[northbank123]

there's a sensible conversation to be had about Feo's true level.
Last season and the one before his assist/goal stats are excellent
but they can be deconstructed - vanStaplecunt's movement is awesome.
Feo mostly either scores against good teams or opposition we are already beating.
Both offer space in behind.

IMO Sid's just making himself look silly with this anti Jack thread.
Just his body shape as he receives the ball is special. He def needs to improve his movement.
Him and Santi have had some amazingly interplay but I believe their linkup play will massively improve this season.

Said it on here as he came through.
Will say it again: Wilshere will be better than Gazza.

I should fucking hope he'll be better than the most notoriously unfilled potential player who spent half of his career off the wagon!

As for Walcott I agree that his goals belie the general level of his performances, but I wouldn't say his stats are amazing - certainly not for a wing-forward in a team finishing 4th in the league.

[northbank123]

there's a sensible conversation to be had about Feo's true level.
Last season and the one before his assist/goal stats are excellent
but they can be deconstructed - vanStaplecunt's movement is awesome.
Feo mostly either scores against good teams or opposition we are already beating.
Both offer space in behind.

IMO Sid's just making himself look silly with this anti Jack thread.
Just his body shape as he receives the ball is special. He def needs to improve his movement.
Him and Santi have had some amazingly interplay but I believe their linkup play will massively improve this season.

Said it on here as he came through.
Will say it again: Wilshere will be better than Gazza.

I should fucking hope he'll be better than the most notoriously unfilled potential player who spent half of his career off the wagon!

As for Walcott I agree that his goals belie the general level of his performances, but I wouldn't say his stats are amazing - certainly not for a wing-forward in a team finishing 4th in the league.

[officepest]

Wilshere better than Gazza? In terms of natural ability and his potential ability, no I don't think so.

He will, however, have a better career (injuries permitting) as he doesn't seem to have serious mental health problems and will hopefully not develop a problem with the sauce.

I think he could be a very good player but not if he's continually asked/expected to carry the weight of Arsenal's, and England's, ambitions.

[Number 5]

Had Wilshere been used correctly in the first part of his career, we'd have spent this summer fighting off big bids from the big clubs.

He could and probably would have progressed that far.

But because he was used and abused more often than a fourteen years olds penis after he first discovers wanking, all we have left is what ifs.

And whilst I am a massive Wilshere fan, I don't see him getting back to where he was and ultimately not getting to where he should have got to. So he's probably still rated on his early performances, but right now wrongly so.

[N1Doomer]

Still a chance for Jack if gets taken under his wing by a top manager, and has the chance to play alongside a World Class midfielder regularly, which will raise his game.

Fabregas was the best tutor he could have had, it's a bastard that it was only for one season, I think that if he had 2 or 3 seasons with Cesc as well as not getting crocked he'd have been at a really top level by now. A Gundogan-esque level, perhaps.

[slag]

Just needs to add goals to his game and stay injury free....

[Swifty]

I think as an Englishmen he is in the higher echelons of midfield talent but the expectation has created an unrealistic view of his talent. On a world stage i would say he is nowhere near top level. Hasn't got the demeanour, the leadership, the control or the vision - maybe in 5 years but not now. Very raw in my view and clearly reads too much of his own press.

[Sam59]

My 2p's worth is that Jack is very much a work in progress and has had too much pressure and adulation too early, by virtue of being England's Great Hope. I don't think he's a no 10 despite the shirt no. He's a ball carrying workaholic player and should (imho) base his game and career path on great players like Makalele - the most elite 'water carrier' I've ever seen, to use mad Eric's famous phrase.
Jack is never going to be a Cesc type goalscoring playmaker and he doesn't tackle well enough (yet) to be a DM. He needs to be surrounded by talented, creative players to get the best out of him. In the meantime, everyone would do well to remember that he's only 21 and has had major injuries, and just let him find his way.

[I Hate Hleb]

My 2p's worth is that Jack is very much a work in progress and has had too much pressure and adulation too early, by virtue of being England's Great Hope. I don't think he's a no 10 despite the shirt no. He's a ball carrying workaholic player and should (imho) base his game and career path on great players like Makalele - the most elite 'water carrier' I've ever seen, to use mad Eric's famous phrase.
Jack is never going to be a Cesc type goalscoring playmaker and he doesn't tackle well enough (yet) to be a DM. He needs to be surrounded by talented, creative players to get the best out of him. In the meantime, everyone would do well to remember that he's only 21 and has had major injuries, and just let him find his way.

Agree that Jack is not the finished article (how could he be at 21?) but Makelele? Seriously? ?

[northbank123]

My 2p's worth is that Jack is very much a work in progress and has had too much pressure and adulation too early, by virtue of being England's Great Hope. I don't think he's a no 10 despite the shirt no. He's a ball carrying workaholic player and should (imho) base his game and career path on great players like Makalele - the most elite 'water carrier' I've ever seen, to use mad Eric's famous phrase.
Jack is never going to be a Cesc type goalscoring playmaker and he doesn't tackle well enough (yet) to be a DM. He needs to be surrounded by talented, creative players to get the best out of him. In the meantime, everyone would do well to remember that he's only 21 and has had major injuries, and just let him find his way.

I don't think Wilshere is best-suited to the 'no 10' playmaker role in the long term. To be fair Fabregas didn't contribute goals until his real breakthrough in 2007/08 but I just think Wilshere's talents will eventually be best exploited in the thick of the midfield.

I equally don't think he should be a DM, and I have to say I think the notion that tackling is the core skill requirement of a DM to be well wide of the mark. Makelele wasn't a class act because he was the best tackler. He was awesome because his reading and anticipation of the game was absolutely phenomenal, he was always in the right position and he made the right decisions. Obviously he was a good footballer and very difficult to knock off the ball to boot but being a DM is all about anticipation and positioning.

[DB10GOONER]

My 2p's worth is that Jack is very much a work in progress and has had too much pressure and adulation too early, by virtue of being England's Great Hope. I don't think he's a no 10 despite the shirt no. He's a ball carrying workaholic player and should (imho) base his game and career path on great players like Makalele - the most elite 'water carrier' I've ever seen, to use mad Eric's famous phrase.
Jack is never going to be a Cesc type goalscoring playmaker and he doesn't tackle well enough (yet) to be a DM. He needs to be surrounded by talented, creative players to get the best out of him. In the meantime, everyone would do well to remember that he's only 21 and has had major injuries, and just let him find his way.

I don't think Wilshere is best-suited to the 'no 10' playmaker role in the long term. To be fair Fabregas didn't contribute goals until his real breakthrough in 2007/08 but I just think Wilshere's talents will eventually be best exploited in the thick of the midfield.

I equally don't think he should be a DM, and I have to say I think the notion that tackling is the core skill requirement of a DM to be well wide of the mark. Makelele wasn't a class act because he was the best tackler. He was awesome because his reading and anticipation of the game was absolutely phenomenal, he was always in the right position and he made the right decisions. Obviously he was a good footballer and very difficult to knock off the ball to boot but being a DM is all about anticipation and positioning.

100% agreed. The reason (well, one of many reasons, really) that Song was so shit was he just reacted to things, he never anticipated them. The best DM's go about their business quietly and economically. They read the game and position themselves to disrupt and intercept the play. They shouldn't be lunging in with Hollywood tackles at the last minute - if they are, then they don't know how to position themselves or how to anticipate and dictate the play.

[A dallying Gus Caesar]

Has to be!
Never seen him control a game or turn a game around in our favour, a creation of the British media.
Unpalatable as it may be, he couldn't lace the boots of Stevie G or fat Frank.
Runs around a lot giving the ball away to polite applause for his efforts, I just don't get our fans perception that he is anything other than plain average. We are a selling club, so if he was any good surely someone would have shown an interest in him, and Wenger would be only to pleased to listen to offers.
All seriousness, this isn't a wind up, I just don't see how anyone can rate this guy as special.

Could not disagree more. When he is fit (i.e. when Wenger does not run him into the ground thus leaving him injured) he is fantastic for us and England. He is total quality and to start a thread criticising Jack just shows that things must be very slow on this forum. Wait until he plays regularly, and consistently at the level he can and then you can come back on here and complain when everyone is queuing up to take him of our hands.

[herbert]

The title of this thread should be changed to
"Jack Wilshire the most over rated player in European football"

Every top club in Europe would love(and have tried) to sign him and there were no bids for him this summer because every one in the football world knows that at this moment in time he only wants to play for The Arsenal

[northbank123]

My 2p's worth is that Jack is very much a work in progress and has had too much pressure and adulation too early, by virtue of being England's Great Hope. I don't think he's a no 10 despite the shirt no. He's a ball carrying workaholic player and should (imho) base his game and career path on great players like Makalele - the most elite 'water carrier' I've ever seen, to use mad Eric's famous phrase.
Jack is never going to be a Cesc type goalscoring playmaker and he doesn't tackle well enough (yet) to be a DM. He needs to be surrounded by talented, creative players to get the best out of him. In the meantime, everyone would do well to remember that he's only 21 and has had major injuries, and just let him find his way.

I don't think Wilshere is best-suited to the 'no 10' playmaker role in the long term. To be fair Fabregas didn't contribute goals until his real breakthrough in 2007/08 but I just think Wilshere's talents will eventually be best exploited in the thick of the midfield.

I equally don't think he should be a DM, and I have to say I think the notion that tackling is the core skill requirement of a DM to be well wide of the mark. Makelele wasn't a class act because he was the best tackler. He was awesome because his reading and anticipation of the game was absolutely phenomenal, he was always in the right position and he made the right decisions. Obviously he was a good footballer and very difficult to knock off the ball to boot but being a DM is all about anticipation and positioning.

100% agreed. The reason (well, one of many reasons, really) that Song was so shit was he just reacted to things, he never anticipated them. The best DM's go about their business quietly and economically. They read the game and position themselves to disrupt and intercept the play. They shouldn't be lunging in with Hollywood tackles at the last minute - if they are, then they don't know how to position themselves or how to anticipate and dictate the play.

I remember seeing some quotes from Xavi Alonso and he was just baffled as to the English obsession with tackling. He said he was always taught that tackling was a last resort but over here it was talked about as a massive part of a top level footballer's game.