The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

[the playing mantis]

From twitter. A Credit Suisse survey.

good job we got such high levels of employment thanks to our glorious tory overlords then isn't it chippy. u emigrated yet?!

[the playing mantis]

I thought Boris said we could stay in the single market and get rid of freedom of movement.

He was either lying or he didn't understand what he was talking about. Probably the first.

This a truly frightening explanation of the shit we have been dropped in. One of the best things I have read since Brexit.

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07 ... y-s-brexit

frighteningly subjective. comes on chippy u can do better than this. a subjective piece from a known left leaning confirmed remainer with limited online appeal.

[Nos89]

Boris as foreign secretary??? that's fucking hilarious. Teresa May showing her sense of humour.
I can just see Boris dusting off his copy of How to win friends and influence foreign people by Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh.

[Brightonnxtround]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36783938

First visible signs of the Brexit effect on the housing market. The report suggests the market would have cooled anyway but you can be sure any downturn will be exaggerated by Brexit.

But hey that's only scaremongering ehhh.

how terrible. house prices that the majority complain about as too high come down to more realistic levels. poor old property magnates and by to let landlords inflating prices for young people unable to even dream of owning g a property. woe is them and anyone foolish enough to invest all their assets in bricks and mortar...which regardless will still be worth a load of cash, just not so much.

Whole heartedly agree as you knew I would

[the playing mantis]

Boris as foreign secretary??? that's fucking hilarious. Teresa May showing her sense of humour.
I can just see Boris dusting off his copy of How to win friends and influence foreign people by Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh.

stroke of genius.

the europeans don't like him cos of brexit ( but he won't be much involved in eu trade deal hammering) but the yanks and the rest of the world love is bumbling British caricature and lap it up and he will effectively br drumming up business using his oafishness. Yes he makes loads of gaffes but he gets round them and the figure of fun bumbling buffoon endears him to most

[DB10GOONER]

i voted ukip since ive been of age.

Um.... I've tried to kind of just get past this comment, mate. But tbh I can't. I still can't believe you are a UKIP voter in long standing....

I know the media in the UK lean to one side left or right of the political spectrum and the articles below will in general reflect that, but they do contain direct quotes and that's the bit I'm pointing at, not the politically-motivated OTT criticism of UKIP, just the actual quoted comments from UKIP members. Some of the things directly quoted from UKIP party members in the articles below are shocking, appalling and seriously disgusting, mate. You seem like a personable and intelligent bloke so I'm genuinely interested to know how you can justify (even just to yourself) voting for them when you read quotes like those contained in these articles?;


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... olicy.html

http://leftfootforward.org/2015/02/is-u ... uggest-so/

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... age-europe

As a relevant aside, my old man lived and worked in London in the late 1960's and he told me of seeing signs that read "No Blacks, No Dogs, No Irish". Of course being better than the type of filth that would hang up such a sign, my dad joked about us getting lower billing than the dogs, but he was genuinely shocked and disgusted by it.

[northbank123]

I've never been remotely minded to vote for UKIP but somebody doesn't have to agree with all of their public figures to do so.

They are (regardless of how they try to re-invent) a one-issue party and if somebody feels exceptionally strongly about that issue they might vote for them notwithstanding thinking that Farage is a wanker etc.

If it wasn't for UKIP we probably wouldn't have gotten the chance to make a decision which more people voted for in this country than anything else in history.

[DB10GOONER]

I've never been remotely minded to vote for UKIP but somebody doesn't have to agree with all of their public figures to do so.

They are (regardless of how they try to re-invent) a one-issue party and if somebody feels exceptionally strongly about that issue they might vote for them notwithstanding thinking that Farage is a wanker etc.

If it wasn't for UKIP we probably wouldn't have gotten the chance to make a decision which more people voted for in this country than anything else in history.

Sorry, no - I don't accept the end justifying the means. And tbh if it wasn't for backbench Torries playing reverse realpolitik, and Cameron foolishly calling their bluff, you'd never have had even a chance to catch a glimpse of a chance to make said decision. As for UKIP, if it was one or two comments from one or two idiots then fine. But that is a lot of racist and offensive comments from many party representatives. Not having a pop here but I'm not sure why you feel the need to qualify why someone else might vote UKIP. I'm asking the question of someone who actually votes UKIP and has for years and possibly has been doing so long before anyone could justify it in relation to Brexit.

[northbank123]

People decide how to cast their vote for all sorts of reasons. Some for personal benefit, some for the greater good and many on a point of principle on one issue.

If you felt strongly enough about leaving Europe i understand why somebody would vote for the party who run a single-issue campaign to that effect and whose increasing popularity would make that eventuality more likely. I wouldn't assume that they agreed or endorsed the views of individuals or any other UKIP policies (official or not).

When discussing the referendum somebody asked me how I could vote for Farage or Boris. I explained that actually I had voted for the decision to leave the EU and not any individual associated with the campaign. Farage's poster and some of his rhetoric was disgusting and I condemn it as much as anybody but it's not necessarily going to stop me voting to a cause he's affiliated to if I believe in that cause.

[Red Snapper]

I voted UKIP in the last Euro election for the one single issue they represented. Now it's done they are no more use than a spent match; their job is done. Farage should be nowhere near the Brexit negotiations and the party can fade away unmissed. Having said that it is an anomally that in the last general election they gained more votes than the SNP but ended up with only one seat while the Scots got 50+.

[Chippy]

I thought Boris said we could stay in the single market and get rid of freedom of movement.

He was either lying or he didn't understand what he was talking about. Probably the first.

This a truly frightening explanation of the shit we have been dropped in. One of the best things I have read since Brexit.

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07 ... y-s-brexit

frighteningly subjective. comes on chippy u can do better than this. a subjective piece from a known left leaning confirmed remainer with limited online appeal.

He's quoting 2 academics but you didn't read that bit. He has also promised to publish any Brexiter who wants to refute what was said, but no-one has taken him up on the offer. Perhaps you as a graduate of an elite university could do it?

[GoonerMuzz]

To be honest i may not be a published academic but i have enough knowledge and understanding of politics and the world at large to vote in an informed manner on an issue like the EU referendum and no matter what many remain campaigners like to think not everyone was voting for racist reasons.

For me the massive energies the remain campaign spent in spelling out the potential pit falls of the economic result of an exit was a complete own goal because a large proportion of those who voted to leave would seem to me to have been those who are unlikely to have economic reasons such as savings or even large mortgages to worry about it.

I have honestly been surprised by what i feel is the extremely condescending manner of some of those arguing the remain campaign's cause not just in the media but on here too and it has actually been quite nauseating at times, sorry if that offends but that exactly how some of you have been acting.

You wanted to remain others of us wanted to leave that does not make you better or more informed than us, believe it or not we can actually do our own research and look up articles by esteemed academics, economists, media persons and politicians too and come to our own conclusions.

As yet and probably not for at least 12-18 months the full effect of this vote wont be known and a lot can happen in that time which none of us can predict, some of which worries me way more than the economic consequences of this vote.

As i said in my previous post i think it is way past time we started getting this thing done so the country as a whole can move on, as good or as bad as it may end up for each of us.

I dread to think what would happen if they attempted to rerun the referendum not only because of how a large proportion of the country might react if it was reversed but also because of the effect it would have on our reputation overseas. The oldest parliamentary democracy in the world, i believe, reversing a decision in a referendum because the minority (as close as it was) did not get the result they wanted. It would leave us a complete laughing stock and destroy any international credibility we have left.

[Chippy]

To be honest i may not be a published academic but i have enough knowledge and understanding of politics and the world at large to vote in an informed manner on an issue like the EU referendum and no matter what many remain campaigners like to think not everyone was voting for racist reasons.

For me the massive energies the remain campaign spent in spelling out the potential pit falls of the economic result of an exit was a complete own goal because a large proportion of those who voted to leave would seem to me to have been those who are unlikely to have economic reasons such as savings or even large mortgages to worry about it.

I have honestly been surprised by what i feel is the extremely condescending manner of some of those arguing the remain campaign's cause not just in the media but on here too and it has actually been quite nauseating at times, sorry if that offends but that exactly how some of you have been acting.

You wanted to remain others of us wanted to leave that does not make you better or more informed than us, believe it or not we can actually do our own research and look up articles by esteemed academics, economists, media persons and politicians too and come to our own conclusions.

As yet and probably not for at least 12-18 months the full effect of this vote wont be known and a lot can happen in that time which none of us can predict, some of which worries me way more than the economic consequences of this vote.

As i said in my previous post i think it is way past time we started getting this thing done so the country as a whole can move on, as good or as bad as it may end up for each of us.

I dread to think what would happen if they attempted to rerun the referendum not only because of how a large proportion of the country might react if it was reversed but also because of the effect it would have on our reputation overseas. The oldest parliamentary democracy in the world, i believe, reversing a decision in a referendum because the minority (as close as it was) did not get the result they wanted. It would leave us a complete laughing stock and destroy any international credibility we have left.

Lol. We are a total laughing stock already.

[Chippy]

Oh and I would genuinely be interested to read any articles or papers that have a compelling argument for leaving the EU. Please post links.

The Turkey joining by 2020 lie looking good tonight.

[the playing mantis]

Oh and I would genuinely be interested to read any articles or papers that have a compelling argument for leaving the EU. Please post links.

The Turkey joining by 2020 lie looking good tonight.

what's wrong with regaining sovereignty and stopping unlimited eu immigration?