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topgoon wrote:It'll be the no-hoper league for these next season, Mandzukic,Muller and Robben have dumped them out 3-1 so far, 4-2Agg.
Best bit is that spawny Evra scored first but 60secs later he loses Mandzukic 1-1, then he lets Robben cross the ball in, Muller 2-1 then the useless doesn't tackle Robben properly 3-1
Twas MEN against pathetic old
We'll probably be joining them in the Europa though
I'll be happy to play in the s**t league as long as we have a new manager
Amen brother
A new manager might go all out to win the no-hoper. Don't forget the winner gets into the champs league.
Oh Christ. I can hear the Man's excuse now,5th is like 4th because It's an 18 game qualifier for the champs league getting into the no-hoper.
I watched both legs and Bayern were monumentally unimpressive. It was like the smugness that emanates from Guardiola was lingering over their entire team. They should have put away the tie in the first half hour United were so desperately negative but they didn't seem that fussed. In the end their equaliser came out of nowhere really, just a ball pumped forward.
Yesterday they were awful by their standards, didn't even look like creating anything and all at sea when United attacked. And then when they actually went behind they pulled their finger out and won the tie in 10-15 minutes intense football which it felt like they could have done at any point.
Also didn't seem like they'd learned their lesson tactically after setting up so negatively at home to us last year and Citeh this year. Still, can't pretend the false hope wasn't funny
I'll be up front and state that I'm not sure what constitutes tapping up, but this sure sounds like it to me.. ?
Afterwards, manager David Moyes insisted his transfer targets will still want to come to Manchester United even though he cannot offer them Champions League football.
"My focus is on getting a side together to get back in the Champions League," he said. "We're looking to spend the right money on players who are available and it's not anything to do with Champions League.
"Any players we've quietly discussed it with are more than happy to join Manchester United. They know it's not a long-term thing."
Last night Graeme Souness showed why he's the best pundit on the telly. While the supposed heavyweights of rat boy and carragher were trying to argue that United were good/Bayern were poor for the first hour at least Souness knew what he was looking at. For Bayern and indeed most continental sides it has long been the idea to view football as a 90 minute game. If you blow all your energy charging about in the first 60 minutes of a game and then get picked off in the last 20/30 then that is poor game management on your part. Whereas in this country it's considered to be a plucky effort. Fans in this country don't help either, look at how many boo if it's 0-0 at half time or the amount of people who sit around me blowing a gasket if we're not in full kick-and-rush mode after 20 minutes at 0-0
Bayern were comfortable all evening and United got taught a lesson. Moyes is perhaps a prime example of why so few British managers get the big jobs anymore.
Man Utd will learn from their mistake of listening to Fergie and appointing a manager who clearly wasnt up to the job.That will be sorted out in the summer when Moyes is shown the door.And he is replaced by a Klopp or Van Gael.While we will still have our Specialist in Failure
donaldo wrote:Man Utd will learn from their mistake of listening to Fergie and appointing a manager who clearly wasnt up to the job.That will be sorted out in the summer when Moyes is shown the door.And he is replaced by a Klopp or Van Gael.While we will still have our Specialist in Failure
donaldo wrote:Man Utd will learn from their mistake of listening to Fergie and appointing a manager who clearly wasnt up to the job.That will be sorted out in the summer when Moyes is shown the door.And he is replaced by a Klopp or Van Gael.While we will still have our
I think Moyes will start next season with them, he'll be given his own transfer window to cock things right up.
Granted I don't think he should take all of the blame. The equalizer sounds like he was a bit useless in the way he dealt with transfers as well.
Moyes probably has a bigger job than he initially thought. The back 4 is old, slow and becoming rapidly sh*t....case in point Vidic and Evra being embarrassed last night.
The replacements aren't there yet in terms of quality. Creative players will not want to come because they suspect Moyes is a negative manager that might stifle their talent. If he wants to attract players by changing that attitude, for the rest of the season he should just let rip and let the flare players go for it. More Januzaj,Kagawa, less Fellaini and Tom (just what does he do) Cleverley.
I really dont think that Moyes has done much wrong.
he has got to the QF of the CL in his first season
he has got to the SF of the league cup
currently United have the best away record in the league and starting to score goals for fun again
they won't be too far behind us and in face could still finish above us.
the only thing that has let him down has been the United home form.
once he works out how to play Fergie time at OT he will be fine
LDB I wouldn't say Bayern were that comfortable, whilst United were hardly creating bags of chances you could see Bayern were a bit unnerved by their forwards' pace as in the first leg and even at 1-1 Rooney missed a golden opportunity. I agree in broad terms about viewing it as a 90-minute game but the effortless way in which Bayern won the tie in about 10 minutes didn't scream out great game management to me. It smacked of a team who had been coasting to somehow trail such an inferior team after about 150 minutes of football.
It is a very good point that performing for 90 mins has been key for Bayern - it saw them put Barca (who have a tendency to fade later in games) to the sword in both legs last year and of course they won the final late on. But it's also true that they have had a bit of a tendency to make ties closer than they need to be with lethargic casual performances like against us last year and City in the final group stage game this year. And whilst they would have been criticised by some people for anything less than a 10 goal winning margin, equally they made far harder work of the tie than needs be.
And as for us in the past few years it's been a familiar pattern to watch us start strongly at home and then fade after 20-30 minutes and struggle if we haven't got a goal by then. Combine this with how poor we've looked at home over the last 4 months and the fact we have only scored in the first half once in 10 home games I think and I can understand the irritation that we're still in neutral after 20 mins.
next season, Mandzukic,Muller and Robben have dumped them out 3-1 so far, 4-2Agg.
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