As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
armchair supporter wrote:Funny how the Wenger supporters like to put things in the 'context' of the immediate or short term.Like - we are top, how can you criticise the manage? Or - we are still in CL and FA cup cant you just be happy. JD was particularly good at this and would put Wengers years of failure in the context of a missed pen or injured player.
They conveniently disregard the 'context' of years and years of capitulation and powder-puff performances resulting in complete failure. Yet they quite like to remind us of Wengers successfull times of oh so long ago and hold them up as som kind of justification for giving Wenger a new contract.
Then theres the #flipfloppers who 'take one game at a time' and change their opinion on when to criticise and boo and when to 'just be happy were top' as it suits them from one week to the next.
Having said that, I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion. I may not agree with it but I'll fight to the death for their right to hold it.
this wenger supporter has constantly talked about the longer term sir. I believe it is you miguided souls on the wrong side of the fence that come out moreso at short term slip ups and troughs.
As you say, each to his own and we stand united on that thought.
armchair supporter wrote:Funny how the Wenger supporters like to put things in the 'context' of the immediate or short term.Like - we are top, how can you criticise the manage? Or - we are still in CL and FA cup cant you just be happy. JD was particularly good at this and would put Wengers years of failure in the context of a missed pen or injured player.
They conveniently disregard the 'context' of years and years of capitulation and powder-puff performances resulting in complete failure. Yet they quite like to remind us of Wengers successfull times of oh so long ago and hold them up as som kind of justification for giving Wenger a new contract.
Then theres the #flipfloppers who 'take one game at a time' and change their opinion on when to criticise and boo and when to 'just be happy were top' as it suits them from one week to the next.
Having said that, I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion. I may not agree with it but I'll fight to the death for their right to hold it.
this wenger supporter has constantly talked about the longer term sir. I believe it is you miguided souls on the wrong side of the fence that come out moreso at short term slip ups and troughs.
As you say, each to his own and we stand united on that thought.
Planning for the long-term is great and should always be one of our top priorities. But why does that excuse the complete lack of ambition shown this season (as well as the past 5-8...)? We did we not sign the striker we desperately need in the summer or in January? Why was our only signing a 31-year old perma-crocked has-been? Why the embarrassing last-ditch attempts at trying to get Kalou and Klose on loan instead of doing our homework beforehand? Why is our best finisher confined to the bench when Giroud continues to spunk away chance after chance?
Come on Steve... Wenger has continually shown he's not willing to learn from his mistakes; he needs to go.
this wenger supporter has constantly talked about the longer term sir. I believe it is you miguided souls on the wrong side of the fence that come out moreso at short term slip ups and troughs.
so losses to birmingham, bradford, blackburn, norwich, swansea, schalke, villa, napoli, Liverpool etc etc and one win against the top four in TWO seasons are short term slip ups and troughs ????
bearing in mind we've had 100 million in the bank during the run of the above 'slip ups'.
armchair supporter wrote:Funny how the Wenger supporters like to put things in the 'context' of the immediate or short term.Like - we are top, how can you criticise the manage? Or - we are still in CL and FA cup cant you just be happy. JD was particularly good at this and would put Wengers years of failure in the context of a missed pen or injured player.
They conveniently disregard the 'context' of years and years of capitulation and powder-puff performances resulting in complete failure. Yet they quite like to remind us of Wengers successfull times of oh so long ago and hold them up as som kind of justification for giving Wenger a new contract.
Then theres the #flipfloppers who 'take one game at a time' and change their opinion on when to criticise and boo and when to 'just be happy were top' as it suits them from one week to the next.
Having said that, I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion. I may not agree with it but I'll fight to the death for their right to hold it.
this wenger supporter has constantly talked about the longer term sir. I believe it is you miguided souls on the wrong side of the fence that come out moreso at short term slip ups and troughs.
As you say, each to his own and we stand united on that thought.
Planning for the long-term is great and should always be one of our top priorities. But why does that excuse the complete lack of ambition shown this season (as well as the past 5-8...)? We did we not sign the striker we desperately need in the summer or in January? Why was our only signing a 31-year old perma-crocked has-been? Why the embarrassing last-ditch attempts at trying to get Kalou and Klose on loan instead of doing our homework beforehand? Why is our best finisher confined to the bench when Giroud continues to spunk away chance after chance?
Come on Steve... Wenger has continually shown he's not willing to learn from his mistakes; he needs to go.
He has done no such thing. Only in the eyes of a few miguided folk and a bunch of others who follow and have no original thought processess themselves. I've had enough of trying to be calm on here having seen another thread where supposed gooners are fcuking siding with Mourinho without clearly having looked at the whole of each presss conference and have clearly taken thigns out of context and done their sheep follow the media sheep thing because its clever to say. It isn't, it's unbelievably naive and shallow. As had been said, each to his own, but finally I can no longer come here and read such nonsense and knee-jerk reative nonsense by people whoi have long embedded themselves deep down the stupid alley - imo (obviously this is my opinion and may not necessarily be thought correct, but my opinion is what it is.
lets all bow down to the football god that is Mourinho over the best manager that we have ever yhad and has done SO much for us and our longer term future.
armchair supporter wrote:Funny how the Wenger supporters like to put things in the 'context' of the immediate or short term.Like - we are top, how can you criticise the manage? Or - we are still in CL and FA cup cant you just be happy. JD was particularly good at this and would put Wengers years of failure in the context of a missed pen or injured player.
They conveniently disregard the 'context' of years and years of capitulation and powder-puff performances resulting in complete failure. Yet they quite like to remind us of Wengers successfull times of oh so long ago and hold them up as som kind of justification for giving Wenger a new contract.
Then theres the #flipfloppers who 'take one game at a time' and change their opinion on when to criticise and boo and when to 'just be happy were top' as it suits them from one week to the next.
Having said that, I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion. I may not agree with it but I'll fight to the death for their right to hold it.
this wenger supporter has constantly talked about the longer term sir. I believe it is you miguided souls on the wrong side of the fence that come out moreso at short term slip ups and troughs.
As you say, each to his own and we stand united on that thought.
Planning for the long-term is great and should always be one of our top priorities. But why does that excuse the complete lack of ambition shown this season (as well as the past 5-8...)? We did we not sign the striker we desperately need in the summer or in January? Why was our only signing a 31-year old perma-crocked has-been? Why the embarrassing last-ditch attempts at trying to get Kalou and Klose on loan instead of doing our homework beforehand? Why is our best finisher confined to the bench when Giroud continues to spunk away chance after chance?
Come on Steve... Wenger has continually shown he's not willing to learn from his mistakes; he needs to go.
He has done no such thing. Only in the eyes of a few miguided folk and a bunch of others who follow and have no original thought processess themselves. I've had enough of trying to be calm on here having seen another thread where supposed gooners are fcuking siding with Mourinho without clearly having looked at the whole of each presss conference and have clearly taken thigns out of context and done their sheep follow the media sheep thing because its clever to say. It isn't, it's unbelievably naive and shallow. As had been said, each to his own, but finally I can no longer come here and read such nonsense and knee-jerk reative nonsense by people whoi have long embedded themselves deep down the stupid alley - imo (obviously this is my opinion and may not necessarily be thought correct, but my opinion is what it is.
lets all bow down to the football god that is Mourinho over the best manager that we have ever yhad and has done SO much for us and our longer term future.
'ts been fun in part. good luck all
Wow. Looking at the spelling I would imagine you're a bit pissed as well as angry. Nobody is bowing down to moaninho. It just hurts that he's right, and I'm pretty sure that's one of the reasons you've lost it. Anyway it's normally the big group who are the sheep, not the minority who just happen to be right.
Another one bites the dust? I hope not Steve_I because, although I disagree with a lot of what you write, I think you've made good contributions since you've been on here.
Yeah to be fair without people who actually have a positive word to say about Wenger the only thing to argue about is the extent to which everybody detests him
Plus Steve_I wasn't a WUM and although I disagreed with a lot of his views I thought it was quite funny when he tongue-in-cheek started antagonising people (and have to say it was fair game after every post of his received 2 or 3 incredulous/sarcastic/militant responses).
northbank123 wrote:Yeah to be fair without people who actually have a positive word to say about Wenger the only thing to argue about is the extent to which everybody detests him
That's exactly what happens though, isn't it?
About 90+% of the forum (including myself) have similar views on Wenger i.e. tactically inept, won't win anything until he leaves and scared shitless he'll sign a new contract, but instead of leaving than commonality at the door, you get a shit storm of one-upmanship as people become increasingly nasty and hostile towards Wenger just to stand out from the [maddening] crowd.
I find myself defending Wenger even though I want him out (and getting labelled an AKB in the process ) just because people go too far and try and shoehorn a Wenger criticism into every single debate regardless of how tenuous the link.. In fact, I think there's potential for a Kevin Bacon style six-degrees-of-separation thread for Wenger here... think hard enough and he can be blamed for anything and everything
g88ner wrote:. think hard enough and he can be blamed for anything and everything
he runs the club top to bottom - chooses players, decides the fees, runs the fitness staff, runs the medical team, runs the scouts, runs the youth system, picks the training ground menus, designed the medical and fitness facilities, picks the teams, runs the training.
what part of Arsenal's overpriced mediocrity is NOT his responsibility ?
i'm sorry that Steve_I has taken his ball and gone home, but to be honest that's what happens when wengers defenders are faced with cold hard facts and actual context about these so called ' slip ups' that happen every year between January & March.
g88ner wrote:. think hard enough and he can be blamed for anything and everything
he runs the club top to bottom - chooses players, decides the fees, runs the fitness staff, runs the medical team, runs the scouts, runs the youth system, picks the training ground menus, designed the medical and fitness facilities, picks the teams, runs the training.
what part of Arsenal's overpriced mediocrity is NOT his responsibility ?
i'm sorry that Steve_I has taken his ball and gone home, but to be honest that's what happens when wengers defenders are faced with cold hard facts and actual context about these so called ' slip ups' that happen every year between January & March.
g88ner... posters are genuinely and rightly sick to the fuckin teeth of Wenger and his failed ways after all these years. I see nobody posting on here just to outdo another in the anti-Wenger stakes.
I see posters at the end of their tether, baffeled and angry at Wengers mismanagement and continued failure.
If you want him out stop playing devils advocate. Its not becumbent on you to balance the forum.
Wenger is the single most divisive subject and its not a wonder after all these years that his mismanagement comes up in every thread?
He has the power. Hes the only common denominator for our decline. Not the noard. Not the refs. Not the pitches. Not the media.
Wenger!
armchair supporter wrote:g88ner... posters are genuinely and rightly sick to the fuckin teeth of Wenger and his failed ways after all these years. I see nobody posting on here just to outdo another in the anti-Wenger stakes.
I see posters at the end of their tether, baffeled and angry at Wengers mismanagement and continued failure.
If you want him out stop playing devils advocate. Its not becumbent on you to balance the forum. Wenger is the single most divisive subject and its not a wonder after all these years that his mismanagement comes up in every thread?
He has the power. Hes the only common denominator for our decline. Not the noard. Not the refs. Not the pitches. Not the media.
Wenger!
Absolutely, it's the hot topic of 2014 (and 2013.. and 2012.. and 2011... and 2010...) so how could we possibly get by without shoehorning criticism of the man into every thread but reading about people's hatred towards one man every night can't be good for the soul. I can only speculate clockender drowns kittens for a living.
I think that if there was an announcement in the morning stating that the senile old c*nt would not be signing another contract and would be leaving the club altogether in the summer, then you would see a major reduction in the bile and negativity around here - the vast majority of anger is actual but, and I say this from my own point of view, a lot of my anger and frustration stems from the fact that I don't see him leaving or anything changing in the near future
Re the repetitive theme of the forum, I agree with your sentiment but can you imagine the buzz that will be around here if he ever leaves ? There will be a thread for possible new managers, new thread for tactics etc etc - it will be anarchy
augie wrote:I think that if there was an announcement in the morning stating that the senile old c*nt would not be signing another contract and would be leaving the club altogether in the summer, then you would see a major reduction in the bile and negativity around here - the vast majority of anger is actual but, and I say this from my own point of view, a lot of my anger and frustration stems from the fact that I don't see him leaving or anything changing in the near future
Re the repetitive theme of the forum, I agree with your sentiment but can you imagine the buzz that will be around here if he ever leaves ? There will be a thread for possible new managers, new thread for tactics etc etc - it will be anarchy
I must admit, as February turns to March, and we head deeper into the quagmire of difficult fixtures (and cup exists) I'm starting to hope (not believe) that the chances of him leaving in the summer steadily increase
Surely, if he was staying then the time to sign the contract was when we were top of the league and beating all those mediocre teams? He must have known the fixtures in February and March could derail us and get the fans on his back, so why risk it? - unless he's still undecided?!
I know I'm wrong and Ivan and Stan will soon be announcing the "wonderful" news of a new contract extension, but I can dream.
Lol. It's actually cos I care about the club so much - and I'm incredibly frustrated by this Groundhog Day we go through ever year because the club is rotten from Kroenke down to Gazidis to Wenger.
I get no joy from Arsenal wins these days only relief, the only positives are the progress of young players like Gnabry and Ramsay and the moments of skill from our talented players, but everything else is shit IMHO.
