The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

[northbank123]

Nut Flush doesn't dirty his hands with anybody below executive level.

He also does referrals for forum members to Magic Circle law firms if anybody is interested

[nut flush gooner]

Nut Flush doesn't dirty his hands with anybody below executive level.

He also does referrals for forum members to Magic Circle law firms if anybody is interested

Magic Circle, Clifford Chance ? Pahhhhhhh!

[nut flush gooner]

OK. Here is a bit from "The inside out." A mate of mine,(Graeme...he's Welsh hence the spelling), is currently working in a smallish warehouse in our area. Out of about 100 staff , 4 of them are British. The signage in the workplace is Polish,except for the H&S stuff which is duel. All the team leaders are Eastern European and give the shit jobs to the British lads. Graeme says that he can work all day without hearing anyone speaking English,and the same applies if he stays in the canteen at breaktimes. As a result of this, he and the other 3 "indigenous" lads spend their breaks in the smoking shelter,(even though only one of them smokes), or the car park. Is that enough from "the inside out" for you?

From the shop floor or the boardroom. It's not even close to who I would listen to.

That is a fucking disgusting thing to say. My mates experience counts for nothing because he "only" works on the shop floor.It's probably YOUR fucking financial director mate,(or somebody with the same attitude), who recruited exclusively from Eastern Europe to drive down wages, and undermine union rights and work conditions. I hope that there are people who use this forum, that are also ONLY shop floor workers, who read what you think about them.

It's pretty disgusting to label all FD's with the same brush tbh. I have loads of contact with blue collar workers mainly in the automotive and construction industries, I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them. All you have to do is look at the endless stream of bodged building jobs we get in this country as a result of no regulation.

I didn't label ALL FD's with the same brush, I said,"your fucking financial director mate,or somebody with the same attitude."
You are the person labelling whole sections of people. This time you are claiming you can't trust Blue Collar Workers! I hope that you are in diamond or club level at the bowl, heaven forbid if you actually had to come into contact with the evil working class scum.

Well that's even worse then. He's not got a bad bone in his body. He was laid off last year by the US parent firm last year, see the management do get fired too. Don't get me going about builders though this thread could seriously morph!

[Rugby Gooner]

Just seen that on the morning of the Nice atrocity, Nigel Farage was a guest on T.V.A.M. where a woman presenter basically accused him and the "Brexit" voters of being responsible for the massacre as he/we had caused the divisions whish led to it.
This anti leave bullshit has got to fucking stop!

I asked why there where not more home grown workers given the location, the Finance Director in no uncertain terms told me that the local workforce turned their noses up at doing this sort of work, not that they had the skills to do something else more like they couldn't be bothered. Kind of says a lot for British jobs for British workers ehh.

You need to make your mind up. First you say that I am tarring ALL fd's with the same brush, then when I show that you were wrong to accuse me of that, you say that I am worse for not agreeing with your mates view of British working people. I have quoted you here so you can see what YOU said about his opinions.

[nut flush gooner]

Just seen that on the morning of the Nice atrocity, Nigel Farage was a guest on T.V.A.M. where a woman presenter basically accused him and the "Brexit" voters of being responsible for the massacre as he/we had caused the divisions whish led to it.
This anti leave bullshit has got to fucking stop!

I asked why there where not more home grown workers given the location, the Finance Director in no uncertain terms told me that the local workforce turned their noses up at doing this sort of work, not that they had the skills to do something else more like they couldn't be bothered. Kind of says a lot for British jobs for British workers ehh.

You need to make your mind up. First you say that I am tarring ALL fd's with the same brush, then when I show that you were wrong to accuse me of that, you say that I am worse for not agreeing with your mates view of British working people. I have quoted you here so you can see what YOU said about his opinions.

Ehhh? What a strange way of looking at things. Warped springs to mind. Amazing how people try to interpret things on here

But let's get the debate on track, already the outlook for our economy has deteriorated. The housing market is looking fragile, with London set to start falling (if it hasn't already started).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/201 ... n-uk-afte/

I noticed Boris Johnson got slaughtered by the American press yesterday. Given we have to look outside the EU for trade deals, it wasn't good to hear the opinions of foreign media on the man who made his bed and is now having to lie in it big time. If it's going to take years to sort things out with the Americans how long will it take for the rest of the world.

But hey we got our country back, that's all that counts. A small minded country with an economy going backwards, when it should be thriving on the world stage.

[Rugby Gooner]

Just seen that on the morning of the Nice atrocity, Nigel Farage was a guest on T.V.A.M. where a woman presenter basically accused him and the "Brexit" voters of being responsible for the massacre as he/we had caused the divisions whish led to it.
This anti leave bullshit has got to fucking stop!

I asked why there where not more home grown workers given the location, the Finance Director in no uncertain terms told me that the local workforce turned their noses up at doing this sort of work, not that they had the skills to do something else more like they couldn't be bothered. Kind of says a lot for British jobs for British workers ehh.

You need to make your mind up. First you say that I am tarring ALL fd's with the same brush, then when I show that you were wrong to accuse me of that, you say that I am worse for not agreeing with your mates view of British working people. I have quoted you here so you can see what YOU said about his opinions.

Ehhh? What a strange way of looking at things. Warped springs to mind. Amazing how people try to interpret things on here

But let's get the debate on track, already the outlook for our economy has deteriorated. The housing market is looking fragile, with London set to start falling (if it hasn't already started).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/201 ... n-uk-afte/

I noticed Boris Johnson got slaughtered by the American press yesterday. Given we have to look outside the EU for trade deals, it wasn't good to hear the opinions of foreign media on the man who made his bed and is now having to lie in it big time. If it's going to take years to sort things out with the Americans how long will it take for the rest of the world.

But hey we got our country back, that's all that counts. A small minded country with an economy going backwards, when it should be thriving on the world stage.

This getting a bit boring now mate. I never made any comments on the effects of "Brexit." I merely replied to the comments you attributed to your F.D. mate. I didn't slag him off personally, but the remarks he allegedly made,as well as your opinion that British workers are basically lazy and dishonest. We are obviously never going to agree on this one, so I think continuing this circular discussion is futile.

[GranadaJoe]

Just seen that on the morning of the Nice atrocity, Nigel Farage was a guest on T.V.A.M. where a woman presenter basically accused him and the "Brexit" voters of being responsible for the massacre as he/we had caused the divisions whish led to it.
This anti leave bullshit has got to fucking stop!

I asked why there where not more home grown workers given the location, the Finance Director in no uncertain terms told me that the local workforce turned their noses up at doing this sort of work, not that they had the skills to do something else more like they couldn't be bothered. Kind of says a lot for British jobs for British workers ehh.

You need to make your mind up. First you say that I am tarring ALL fd's with the same brush, then when I show that you were wrong to accuse me of that, you say that I am worse for not agreeing with your mates view of British working people. I have quoted you here so you can see what YOU said about his opinions.

Ehhh? What a strange way of looking at things. Warped springs to mind. Amazing how people try to interpret things on here

But let's get the debate on track, already the outlook for our economy has deteriorated. The housing market is looking fragile, with London set to start falling (if it hasn't already started).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/201 ... n-uk-afte/

I noticed Boris Johnson got slaughtered by the American press yesterday. Given we have to look outside the EU for trade deals, it wasn't good to hear the opinions of foreign media on the man who made his bed and is now having to lie in it big time. If it's going to take years to sort things out with the Americans how long will it take for the rest of the world.

But hey we got our country back, that's all that counts. A small minded country with an economy going backwards, when it should be thriving on the world stage.

You're clearly very anti-Brexit, but don't let your confirmation bias get in the way of your judgement. Some of your assertions are wrong.

You say, "if it's going to take years .. with the Americans how long ... for the rest of the world". This clearly implies that it is easier for us to get a trade deal with the USA, when history shows that the opposite is true. The internal politics of USA make all their international dealings hard work. The UK has already been approached by Canada and Australia. To answer your question directly; it will take less time to complete the majority of bilateral trade deals than to finalise one with America.

Your second assertion is completely wrong as well. You say the UK economy is 'going backwards'. It isn't. It is growing.
Furthermore, the IMF, despite revising its growth forecast for the UK down, is still forecasting that we will grow quicker than the EU area as a whole, and specifically, quicker than Germany, France, Italy, Japan, Russia, Canada, Brazil, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria etc.

So, we're still the fifth biggest economy in the World and not only are we not 'going backwards', we are growing more quickly than the majority of the advanced economies.

There are valid reasons for wanting to remain, just as there are for wanting to leave, but let's try to be factual, logical and reasonable. It makes for a much more worthwhile discussion.

[GranadaJoe]

While on the subject of trade deals:

During the referendum Remainers constantly raised the point that it would be more difficult to conclude deals alone than as part of the UK. So just how well has the EU done?

If you look at the trade deals agreed and in force at the moment you'll see that the mighty EU has concluded deals with such economic powerhouses as Andorra, Lebanon, Kosovo, San Marino, Iceland and the Bailiwick of Jersey.

Sadly, no deal has been enacted with USA, China, India, Brazil, Russia, Japan etc.

The Referendum debate was high on rhetoric, fear and unsupported assertions (on both sides), but pretty light on fact and reasoned argument. However, now it's over we should try and be a bit more accurate and thorough.

[northbank123]

Read somewhere that the TTIP is essentially on hold pending Brexit clarity.

Have to say that given companies a wide power to sue governments whose policies cost them profits is abhorrent - I understand that this is likely to be a feature of the TTIP although of course there is little to no transparency around this.

It would be anti-democratic in the extreme to allow the financial interests and threats from companies (American or itherwise) dictate member state governments' policies.

[DB10GOONER]

If nuclear (nuculer to our American viewers ) holocaust, meteorite strike or bio-terrorism doesn't annihilate us first, then I predict planet Earth in the far future will be a very different place. Gone will be nations and governments, replaced by gigantic geopolitical Company States.

Our great great great grandkids will be living in habitats governed by the likes of Coca Cola or Kraft Heinz (USA) or Gazprom (Russia) or Porsche SE (Germany). These huge company-states will have their own military too.

You read it here first, kiddies!

[GranadaJoe]

If nuclear (nuculer to our American viewers ) holocaust, meteorite strike or bio-terrorism doesn't annihilate us first, then I predict planet Earth in the far future will be a very different place. Gone will be nations and governments, replaced by gigantic geopolitical Company States.

Our great great great grandkids will be living in habitats governed by the likes of Coca Cola or Kraft Heinz (USA) or Gazprom (Russia) or Porsche SE (Germany). These huge company-states will have their own military too.

You read it here first, kiddies!

If that's true, I want to live in the Shepherd Neame Land.

[A11M11]

Not as far fetched as it first seems , the E.U. ' agenda is set by the lobbying groups of these companies already.

[DB10GOONER]

Private Military Contractors were the first step in this move towards the Company State rather than the Nation State.

For example, G4S has over 620,000 employees located worldwide and participates in operations in 125 countries, with a focus on developing markets. G4S plc (LON:GFS), traded on the London Stock Exchange, has been named the second-largest private employer in the world, being outrun only by Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. (NYSE:WMT). The operations in which G4S is engaged involve: (a) the providing of security forces for private clients and government agencies, (b) intelligence, (c) land-mine clearance and (d) training.

[DB10GOONER]

Not as far fetched as it first seems , the E.U. ' agenda is set by the lobbying groups of these companies already.

Yep. And TTIP is another step towards that future.

[DB10GOONER]

If nuclear (nuculer to our American viewers ) holocaust, meteorite strike or bio-terrorism doesn't annihilate us first, then I predict planet Earth in the far future will be a very different place. Gone will be nations and governments, replaced by gigantic geopolitical Company States.

Our great great great grandkids will be living in habitats governed by the likes of Coca Cola or Kraft Heinz (USA) or Gazprom (Russia) or Porsche SE (Germany). These huge company-states will have their own military too.

You read it here first, kiddies!

If that's true, I want to live in the Shepherd Neame Land.

It'd be PornoLand for me.