As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
armchair supporter wrote:
I do reckon its possible to get the likes of Costa but you need to have someone to actually try to sign him, not just pay lip service and create the illusion that we're properly interested.
You're confusing Wenger paying lip-service to things with the papers making shit up and you believing it all.
No. Im not the one who's confused.
Wenger has consistently failed to sign proven quality players through dithering or low-ball insulting bids.
I'm glad you're so in the know about our transfer negotiations.
I remember a pretty shit bid for Gary Cahill (decent-ish player but hardly "proven quality" when he left Bolton) which was made public by Bolton. There was Cabaye who once again, 12m is a fair opening bid but with the subsequent toys out of the pram approach from Newcastle I'm not surprised we pulled out of signing a player we didn't really need anyway. And obviously the Suarez thing, although apart from the £1 bit I don't see how 40m was an insulting bid for a player whose reputation was in tatters in the summer.
Maybe you can think of others but I rather suspect you're going off twitter rumours and newspaper reports, which are mostly taken from twitter rumours. Higuain even said we were never in for him yet still everyone is an expert on how that deal (or lack thereof) went down? I'm not saying Wenger hasn't got some things massively wrong in the transfer market but I find it strange how some people form such strong views on such little solid information.
I dont use twitter. You seem to be making assumptions about me?
Its common knowledge that Wengers dithering and small time bids has cost us in the past.
The ones that immediately spring to mind are Cahill, Mata, Higuain. No matter how you dress it up the +1 Suarez bid was typical get-him-on-the-cheap insulting bid and we didnt get him because of that bid I believe. A proper bid not designed to unsettle the player and we could have got him.
I do know is that a lot of our (and other clubs') transfer negotiations are as LDB says, confidential and do not make the press, plus some of what makes the press is incorrect - either errors, half stories or things made up by the press to sell papers, or rumours started by clubs or agents attempting to put their players in the shop window and smoke out bids from other clubs.
There is also the "bad luck" that can happen i.e. agreeing to sign Maradonna then the Falklands War broke out or agreeing verbally to sign C Ronaldo then getting gazumped by Man Utd.
That said, when we have consistently failed to bring in players for problem positions (years of relying on Song to be a defensive midfielder) then I think it fair to criticise the club's transfer and player development polices relating to that position.
armchair supporter wrote:I dont use twitter. You seem to be making assumptions about me?
Its common knowledge that Wengers dithering and small time bids has cost us in the past.
The ones that immediately spring to mind are Cahill, Mata, Higuain. No matter how you dress it up the +1 Suarez bid was typical get-him-on-the-cheap insulting bid and we didnt get him because of that bid I believe. A proper bid not designed to unsettle the player and we could have got him.
Btw you still want Wenger sacked?
The world has truly gone mad if 40m is considered a "get him on the cheap bid". This was a player with a track record that includes biting opposition and being found guilty of racism. It looks a bit of a low bid in light of his form this season though but at the time it was a fair bid imo.
My view on Wenger is that he should have been sacked at the beginning of last summer, sacking him in the middle of a season will only fuck us up in the short term. Things would need to get pretty dire for me to support a mid-season sacking. The man coming in would need a full summer to establish himself in the club. Now, if we maintain our challenge for the whole season and/or win a trophy then I will want him to stay. At the end of the day I will support any manager that is taking us in the right direction and has the players playing with heart, confidence and organisation. Call me fickle but I asked someone on here once if they'd still want Wenger gone if we won the quadruple and he said yes. I'd rather be fickle then bitter and frankly a bit childish
Higuain was quoted some weeks back that he never spoke to arsenal or had any contact with them,now how true tht is i dont know.Its funny how some people blame wenger for fucking up deals for various players,and yet without any proof can say ozil wasnt his choice tht he was basically foisted onto him by Gazdis.it seems he will get the blame for not signing top players,but then gets no credit for signing ozil.
armchair supporter wrote:I dont use twitter. You seem to be making assumptions about me?
Its common knowledge that Wengers dithering and small time bids has cost us in the past.
The ones that immediately spring to mind are Cahill, Mata, Higuain. No matter how you dress it up the +1 Suarez bid was typical get-him-on-the-cheap insulting bid and we didnt get him because of that bid I believe. A proper bid not designed to unsettle the player and we could have got him.
Btw you still want Wenger sacked?
The world has truly gone mad if 40m is considered a "get him on the cheap bid". This was a player with a track record that includes biting opposition and being found guilty of racism. It looks a bit of a low bid in light of his form this season though but at the time it was a fair bid imo.
My view on Wenger is that he should have been sacked at the beginning of last summer, sacking him in the middle of a season will only fuck us up in the short term. Things would need to get pretty dire for me to support a mid-season sacking. The man coming in would need a full summer to establish himself in the club. Now, if we maintain our challenge for the whole season and/or win a trophy then I will want him to stay. At the end of the day I will support any manager that is taking us in the right direction and has the players playing with heart, confidence and organisation. Call me fickle but I asked someone on here once if they'd still want Wenger gone if we won the quadruple and he said yes. I'd rather be fickle then bitter and frankly a bit childish
mcdowell42 wrote:Higuain was quoted some weeks back that he never spoke to arsenal or had any contact with them,now how true tht is i dont know.Its funny how some people blame wenger for fucking up deals for various players,and yet without any proof can say ozil wasnt his choice tht he was basically foisted onto him by Gazdis.it seems he will get the blame for not signing top players,but then gets no credit for signing ozil.
Especially hilarious when Ozil has spoken numerous times about how speaking to Wenger on the phone convinced him to sign.
armchair supporter wrote:I dont use twitter. You seem to be making assumptions about me?
Its common knowledge that Wengers dithering and small time bids has cost us in the past.
The ones that immediately spring to mind are Cahill, Mata, Higuain. No matter how you dress it up the +1 Suarez bid was typical get-him-on-the-cheap insulting bid and we didnt get him because of that bid I believe. A proper bid not designed to unsettle the player and we could have got him.
Btw you still want Wenger sacked?
The world has truly gone mad if 40m is considered a "get him on the cheap bid". This was a player with a track record that includes biting opposition and being found guilty of racism. It looks a bit of a low bid in light of his form this season though but at the time it was a fair bid imo.
My view on Wenger is that he should have been sacked at the beginning of last summer, sacking him in the middle of a season will only fuck us up in the short term. Things would need to get pretty dire for me to support a mid-season sacking. The man coming in would need a full summer to establish himself in the club. Now, if we maintain our challenge for the whole season and/or win a trophy then I will want him to stay. At the end of the day I will support any manager that is taking us in the right direction and has the players playing with heart, confidence and organisation. Call me fickle but I asked someone on here once if they'd still want Wenger gone if we won the quadruple and he said yes. I'd rather be fickle then bitter and frankly a bit childish
armchair supporter wrote:I dont use twitter. You seem to be making assumptions about me?
Its common knowledge that Wengers dithering and small time bids has cost us in the past.
The ones that immediately spring to mind are Cahill, Mata, Higuain. No matter how you dress it up the +1 Suarez bid was typical get-him-on-the-cheap insulting bid and we didnt get him because of that bid I believe. A proper bid not designed to unsettle the player and we could have got him.
Btw you still want Wenger sacked?
The world has truly gone mad if 40m is considered a "get him on the cheap bid". This was a player with a track record that includes biting opposition and being found guilty of racism. It looks a bit of a low bid in light of his form this season though but at the time it was a fair bid imo.
My view on Wenger is that he should have been sacked at the beginning of last summer, sacking him in the middle of a season will only fuck us up in the short term. Things would need to get pretty dire for me to support a mid-season sacking. The man coming in would need a full summer to establish himself in the club. Now, if we maintain our challenge for the whole season and/or win a trophy then I will want him to stay. At the end of the day I will support any manager that is taking us in the right direction and has the players playing with heart, confidence and organisation. Call me fickle but I asked someone on here once if they'd still want Wenger gone if we won the quadruple and he said yes. I'd rather be fickle then bitter and frankly a bit childish
I think the gripe about the suarez saga was how it ended - we clearly wanted him and made a couple of bids before going back with a £40m + £1 bid that we mistakenly thought would trigger a release clause. Naturally the victims knocked us back but when they did, we retreated into the shadows like meagre lambs - if we wanted and rated him then why did we not go back in with a 45m or 50m bid instead of just accepting being slapped down like the victims bitches ?
I think (and hope) that the Berbatov rumour is being out out as a smoke screen to cover our move for our new, super, top top quality striker and throw other clubs off the scent.
Wenger went for Suarez, Higuain and Ba at different stages during the summer, so he acknowledges we need an additional striker (even more so now)
armchair supporter wrote:I dont use twitter. You seem to be making assumptions about me?
Its common knowledge that Wengers dithering and small time bids has cost us in the past.
The ones that immediately spring to mind are Cahill, Mata, Higuain. No matter how you dress it up the +1 Suarez bid was typical get-him-on-the-cheap insulting bid and we didnt get him because of that bid I believe. A proper bid not designed to unsettle the player and we could have got him.
Btw you still want Wenger sacked?
The world has truly gone mad if 40m is considered a "get him on the cheap bid". This was a player with a track record that includes biting opposition and being found guilty of racism. It looks a bit of a low bid in light of his form this season though but at the time it was a fair bid imo.
My view on Wenger is that he should have been sacked at the beginning of last summer, sacking him in the middle of a season will only fuck us up in the short term. Things would need to get pretty dire for me to support a mid-season sacking. The man coming in would need a full summer to establish himself in the club. Now, if we maintain our challenge for the whole season and/or win a trophy then I will want him to stay. At the end of the day I will support any manager that is taking us in the right direction and has the players playing with heart, confidence and organisation. Call me fickle but I asked someone on here once if they'd still want Wenger gone if we won the quadruple and he said yes. I'd rather be fickle then bitter and frankly a bit childish
I think the gripe about the suarez saga was how it ended - we clearly wanted him and made a couple of bids before going back with a £40m + £1 bid that we mistakenly thought would trigger a release clause. Naturally the victims knocked us back but when they did, we retreated into the shadows like meagre lambs - if we wanted and rated him then why did we not go back in with a 45m or 50m bid instead of just accepting being slapped down like the victims bitches ?
Probably because £40m-ish was the maximum the club were willing to spend in that window, hence once suarez fell through we bought Ozil for £42m. It's the reason why I don't have any hopes of us signing someone in January as we've already exhausted our budget for the year. Unless the club want to dig into the reserves and take a risk, which I can't see happening.
mcdowell42 wrote:Higuain was quoted some weeks back that he never spoke to arsenal or had any contact with them,now how true tht is i dont know.Its funny how some people blame wenger for fucking up deals for various players,and yet without any proof can say ozil wasnt his choice tht he was basically foisted onto him by Gazdis.it seems he will get the blame for not signing top players,but then gets no credit for signing ozil.
Im just making a point ,but you as usual are too stupid to see tht.Im sorry tht i dont always agree with you but i have a mind of my own and am capable of seeing different view points ,you just come across as an arrogant know all.
