The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

[A11M11]

Theresa Mays husband is a major shareholder in g4s.
Should they take over the Police and should say Astra Zeneca get the NHS , they will always answer to their shareholders not the general public.

[nut flush gooner]

Just seen that on the morning of the Nice atrocity, Nigel Farage was a guest on T.V.A.M. where a woman presenter basically accused him and the "Brexit" voters of being responsible for the massacre as he/we had caused the divisions whish led to it.
This anti leave bullshit has got to fucking stop!

I asked why there where not more home grown workers given the location, the Finance Director in no uncertain terms told me that the local workforce turned their noses up at doing this sort of work, not that they had the skills to do something else more like they couldn't be bothered. Kind of says a lot for British jobs for British workers ehh.

You need to make your mind up. First you say that I am tarring ALL fd's with the same brush, then when I show that you were wrong to accuse me of that, you say that I am worse for not agreeing with your mates view of British working people. I have quoted you here so you can see what YOU said about his opinions.

Ehhh? What a strange way of looking at things. Warped springs to mind. Amazing how people try to interpret things on here

But let's get the debate on track, already the outlook for our economy has deteriorated. The housing market is looking fragile, with London set to start falling (if it hasn't already started).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/201 ... n-uk-afte/

I noticed Boris Johnson got slaughtered by the American press yesterday. Given we have to look outside the EU for trade deals, it wasn't good to hear the opinions of foreign media on the man who made his bed and is now having to lie in it big time. If it's going to take years to sort things out with the Americans how long will it take for the rest of the world.

But hey we got our country back, that's all that counts. A small minded country with an economy going backwards, when it should be thriving on the world stage.

You're clearly very anti-Brexit, but don't let your confirmation bias get in the way of your judgement. Some of your assertions are wrong.

You say, "if it's going to take years .. with the Americans how long ... for the rest of the world". This clearly implies that it is easier for us to get a trade deal with the USA, when history shows that the opposite is true. The internal politics of USA make all their international dealings hard work. The UK has already been approached by Canada and Australia. To answer your question directly; it will take less time to complete the majority of bilateral trade deals than to finalise one with America.

Your second assertion is completely wrong as well. You say the UK economy is 'going backwards'. It isn't. It is growing.
Furthermore, the IMF, despite revising its growth forecast for the UK down, is still forecasting that we will grow quicker than the EU area as a whole, and specifically, quicker than Germany, France, Italy, Japan, Russia, Canada, Brazil, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria etc.

So, we're still the fifth biggest economy in the World and not only are we not 'going backwards', we are growing more quickly than the majority of the advanced economies.

There are valid reasons for wanting to remain, just as there are for wanting to leave, but let's try to be factual, logical and reasonable. It makes for a much more worthwhile discussion.

Of course it's easier to gain a trade deal with the US but it's all relative, outside of the confines of any TTIP style agreement the Americans already invest billions into the UK. Culturally and historically the US is more aligned to us than many other countries we may wish to trade with, perhaps with the exception of India and Australia.

And that's how a trade agreement will work to be honest, we just sold our last major tech company (ARM Holdings) to the Japanese and that was as a direct result of the Brexit effect on exchange rates. Even though I personally had a massive windfall on Monday (I hold these shares), I would gladly hold onto a UK investment that has real prospects rather than let it be sold overseas.

That is the irony of Brexit and the whole sovereignty issue. Overseas companies are now looking at UK firms ripe for takeover because of our low exchange rate, and if history has anything to go by jobs will be lost as a result (remember Cadburys?).

Again disagree with you about the UK economy, the projections are for our growth to be less than predicted pre brexit or for a shallow recession. That implies merely voting to leave the EU has had a detrimental effect on our future prospects. If growth was predicted at 2% and it's now predicted at 1% that is regression in no uncertain terms. One thing I do know is our property market is seriously overheated, all the fundamentals don't stack up (price to earnings ratios etc) so if the bubble does pop it could be a very painful time ahead. Personally I don't care for any of the countries you have mentioned, if we suffer but they suffer more does that make things ok?

We are no longer the 5th biggest economy in the world, France overtook us as a result of the referendum.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 23761.html

[arseofacrow]

I think the factual boat has sailed, Joe. In fact, I'm not sure it even left the port.

[northbank123]

You'd think with all those shares, investment in gold and FD mates that they might have given you more than one vote Nut Flush

[nut flush gooner]

You'd think with all those shares, investment in gold and FD mates that they might have given you more than one vote Nut Flush

Yes we have left the EU but I am upgrading from the North Lower to Club Level.

Fook the lot of you. Capitalism at work.

[northbank123]

You'd think with all those shares, investment in gold and FD mates that they might have given you more than one vote Nut Flush

Yes we have left the EU but I am upgrading from the North Lower to Club Level.

Fook the lot of you. Capitalism at work.

Honestly Brightonnxtround doesn't even try and gets a bite from you and I get nothing!

[nut flush gooner]

You'd think with all those shares, investment in gold and FD mates that they might have given you more than one vote Nut Flush

Yes we have left the EU but I am upgrading from the North Lower to Club Level.

Fook the lot of you. Capitalism at work.

Honestly Brightonnxtround doesn't even try and gets a bite from you and I get nothing!

I don't honestly think he's trying for a bite, it's more to do with whats in between those ears ie not a lot!

Sorry to disappoint.

[Nos89]

We've got government in power that is operating with a different mandate that got them in, a new prime minister, that no one voted for, and the majority of people vote to leave the EU are being ignored and leaving is put on the back burner until next year...this thing called democracy is working really well.
Is Arsene Wenger secretly running the country?

[Chippy]

The Brexit shock has given the economy "a good kicking" according to a special set of surveys of businesses taken in the wake of the European Union referendum vote, which suggest the UK economy is now contracting at its steepest pace since the last recession in early 2009.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 49901.html

[DB10GOONER]

Boris Gump is going to be a disaster as your new Foreign Secretary;

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 48481.html

[Nos89]

The Brexit shock has given the economy "a good kicking" according to a special set of surveys of businesses taken in the wake of the European Union referendum vote, which suggest the UK economy is now contracting at its steepest pace since the last recession in early 2009.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 49901.html

Another recession whilst being a member of the biggest multi state economic power in the world. Thats five now.
Was there a depression/ recession in ' 50's and '60's when weren't a member of any kind of economic European agreement?

[Chippy]

The Brexit shock has given the economy "a good kicking" according to a special set of surveys of businesses taken in the wake of the European Union referendum vote, which suggest the UK economy is now contracting at its steepest pace since the last recession in early 2009.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 49901.html

Another recession whilst being a member of the biggest multi state economic power in the world. Thats five now.
Was there a depression/ recession in ' 50's and '60's when weren't a member of any kind of economic European agreement?

[Brightonnxtround]

You'd think with all those shares, investment in gold and FD mates that they might have given you more than one vote Nut Flush

Yes we have left the EU but I am upgrading from the North Lower to Club Level.

Fook the lot of you. Capitalism at work.

Honestly Brightonnxtround doesn't even try and gets a bite from you and I get nothing!

I don't honestly think he's trying for a bite, it's more to do with whats in between those ears ie not a lot!

Sorry to disappoint.

[Sean]

I think it's fucking scandalous that we don't have proportional representation. But there you go

[Red Snapper]

I think it's fucking scandalous that we don't have proportional representation. But there you go

You and UKIP but the SNP won't agree with you!