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Great post though A11M111
And just remember quite a few of arsenals fan base I would have thought are uneducated bumpkins
Let's start an uneducated bumpkins thread

A11M11 wrote:I posted this earlier but somehow it got on the Trump thread. Possibly the IPA last night might have taken some effect. But really it belongs on here .
Since the end of world war two the general public has taken less and less interest in the whole thing. General election turn outs have steadily declined and the elite have had free reign to do things to suit themselves. I used to live in London where I was born but like many others had to leave when I could no longer afford it. Did I jump or was I pushed ?. However living outside the capital bubble I have learned how another percentage of the country view our esteemed leaders and it doesn't matter which hat they are wearing, the population feel totally disenfranchised ignored and disconnected from the whole process. They don't see any real benefit from the whole thing and the referendum was their chance to change things and hopefully get things better in their working life. Perhaps they might get a bit more money for their milk, perhaps the fish stocks in the sea might recover if the hoovering of Spanish and French ships was curtailed. Maybe just maybe someone might start to listen if they were on the receiving end of a bloody nose. That's why they all voted to leave because they saw it as their last chance. They have seen their way of life totally change , agriculture is not a big thing in Westminster, in Strasbourg it is though, providing the French are growing it , the farmland is being taken for housing estates to give the big city overspills places to live and acres of good arable land are now home to swathes of French owned solar panels . Has any politician addressed these questions either in a budget statement or even the run up to June 23rd.? Only one, Farage did and all the other somewhat distasteful parts of his party got swept under . The government have now got to be seen to carry Brexit through or else we could end up with a very unsavoury parliament at the next election. Lastly don't kid yourselves, all you people calling them names and questioning their brainpower, they will treat you with as much contempt as they can muster . Politicians and the city have split this country and the uneducated bumpkins as you call them are not happy and feel that they have been taken for a ride and they certainly do not appreciate the insults.

Bloody Hell, I nearly suffocated reading this. I've broken it down into paragraphs so I could respond. By the way you still haven't clarified your understanding of the financial crisis aside from "greedy bankers".

1) Firstly who are the elite and why do you think that Nigel Farage isn't part of the elite. He was a commodity trader in the square mile prior to starting his UKIP project in the late 90s. Does sitting in a pub with a cigar and a pint, which he seems to do quite a lot mean he is one of the people - rather than a rich toff trying to impersonate them? The bloke is a fraud in my opinion who told every lie possible to get the vote through. Seriously anyone that listens to this bloke must be gullible as fuck, that isn't to say other politicians aren't the same but Mr Farage is no different period. I should imagine he's probably sat in his retirement yacht somewhere in the med as we speak, the place the people have put him. Nice work if you can get it. Peddle lies for 20 years and then retire at the age of 52, a man of the people he is - lmao.

2) We live in a democracy, if people cannot be bothered to engage in politics and don't vote in the General Election then quite frankly you have given up your right to make a statement against the "establishment".

3) London isn't a bubble- it's a major world city like New York, Tokyo, Hong Kong etc etc so of course by definition the capital will a major driver behind the performance of our economy. If London fails, the whole country fails. London is a net contributor to the exchequers coffers, that means we don't see the benefit of all the tax we pay, the rest of the country does. Do we moan about it ?

4) Agriculture and fishing make up such a small proportion of our economy, it's practically insignificant (http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NV.AGR.TOTL.ZS). And things like milk prices are determined by the supermarkets so why don't you vent your spleen at them. We are not a third world country, we are first world Germany are good at making cars we are good at offering services. That is what our economy is all about and therefore we shouldn't be doing things that could harm this. To focus on something that represents less than 1% of our economic growth is utter lunacy imo. If you look at the list it's also a small proportion of France's and Germany's economy. There is nothing to stop you from buying food locally, ditch the supermarket and get down to the farmers market. When I get a chance, I go down to Ali Pali to do exactly that!

5) What do you mean by Budget Statement? The last Budget was in April and George Osborne who said he would have an emergency budget has been fired, the next Budget is due in the Autumn probably around November when we can see the initial effect of Brexit. Already there has been a downturn, but it probably makes sense to wait a few months to see how things pan out rather than make knee jerk assessments. The last thing the country wants is the feeling the government is panicking into emergency budgets. By the way Nigel Farage, the day after the referendum admitted the £350m a week to the EU was a lie and that vote leave shouldn't have peddled the line of more money for the NHS etc. He never once gave assurances over the state of the economy or our finances/budgets. His line was immigration all along.

I think that just about covers it, time for lunch and a beer!

In my uneducated way I have tried to set this out so that you can read it better.

Number 1 : -Who are the elite. 9 out of the last 12 Prime ministers went to Oxford , 1 lived in Scotland went to Edinburgh and 2 more mundain colleges. Of those 9 , 4 went to Eton . I have not checked on Chancellors and opposition leaders but certainly it seems to give an elitist impression. My only mention of Farage was to comment that he mentioned things that were important to people outside London.

Number 2 , :- Quite correct we do live in a democracy , however the point that you have missed is that the great unwashed have tired of Westminster and it's lack of choice.

Number 3 :- How very nice of you to pay my way. Despite having reached retirement and having paid tax and Ni all my life, it is nice to know that my retirement pensions are seemingly begrudged by many and apparently following the referendum I am no more than just old and a blight on society.
However whether London is a bubble or not that is how it is perceived in the countryside. It is seen alongside Parliament as a nest of vipers that don't give a toss about anyone but themselves.

Number 4 :- Agriculture and fisheries , I agree they do make up a small part of the grand scheme of things but they did not used to be and really what do you expect people surrounded by fields and water to do ? They make their living from what's about . Except that the common agriculture policy has made a lot of their fields redundant and the fishing boats have been burned after E.U subsidies wrecked a once thriving industry. They can't all be commodity traders they prefer to trade in things that they understand.

The comment about the budget statements were to highlight the point that the people of the small villages feel unrepresented and feel that politicians over many years not just Cameron and Osbourne have ignored them and things that they feel to be important never get a mention .
I am sorry if you don't appreciate what I am saying to you , I assume that you live in London or the home counties and that's good for you . However the position stands , the politicos have got too far from their people and this particular section saw the referendum as a way of letting them know.

Paragraph 4 is a good bitch slap

A11M11 wrote:In my uneducated way I have tried to set this out so that you can read it better.

Number 1 : -Who are the elite. 9 out of the last 12 Prime ministers went to Oxford , 1 lived in Scotland went to Edinburgh and 2 more mundain colleges. Of those 9 , 4 went to Eton . I have not checked on Chancellors and opposition leaders but certainly it seems to give an elitist impression. My only mention of Farage was to comment that he mentioned things that were important to people outside London.

Number 2 , :- Quite correct we do live in a democracy , however the point that you have missed is that the great unwashed have tired of Westminster and it's lack of choice.

Number 3 :- How very nice of you to pay my way. Despite having reached retirement and having paid tax and Ni all my life, it is nice to know that my retirement pensions are seemingly begrudged by many and apparently following the referendum I am no more than just old and a blight on society.
However whether London is a bubble or not that is how it is perceived in the countryside. It is seen alongside Parliament as a nest of vipers that don't give a toss about anyone but themselves.

Number 4 :- Agriculture and fisheries , I agree they do make up a small part of the grand scheme of things but they did not used to be and really what do you expect people surrounded by fields and water to do ? They make their living from what's about . Except that the common agriculture policy has made a lot of their fields redundant and the fishing boats have been burned after E.U subsidies wrecked a once thriving industry. They can't all be commodity traders they prefer to trade in things that they understand.

The comment about the budget statements were to highlight the point that the people of the small villages feel unrepresented and feel that politicians over many years not just Cameron and Osbourne have ignored them and things that they feel to be important never get a mention .
I am sorry if you don't appreciate what I am saying to you , I assume that you live in London or the home counties and that's good for you . However the position stands , the politicos have got too far from their people and this particular section saw the referendum as a way of letting them know.

Do you have the equivalent of selective hearing, You still haven't answered my question about the financial crisis. I get the impression that you just write stuff because you read it in a newspaper and it sounds good.

1. We should have the best educated people running the country. If they have studied in Oxford so what. They have the intellectual capacity to deal with the most pressing issues in the world. By the way there are thousands of people who come from state education and go to the top universities so your comment about the elites is just utter rubbish. You still haven't addressed my question about Farage not being part of the elite working in a trading house in the square mile. Or is that different perhaps too close to the greedy bankers you despise.

2. Again I reiterate if you renege on democracy, it's your problem if things aren't done to your liking.

3. Whether I pay your way is irrelevant but to have such a negative attitude because the capital didn't treat you well just smacks of bitterness in my opinion. There are people that are dealt a bad hand in life and they either knuckle down and work hard to better themselves or just sit on their backsides and expect government to look after them, social security is the in the UK is amongst most generous in this EU. That is the reason foreigners are attracted here but it is also the reason a lot of british people just sit on their backsides, if you want to blame anyone look at Tony Blair and Gordon Brown who practically bankrupted the country.

4. Farming and fishing hasn't been an important part of our countries economic activity since before the industrial revolution. We are a developed economy, so why should our focus be on looking after a very small minority of the population? If you aren't happy about it as I said go to a farmers market and buy British. Somehow I suspect you will go straight back to your cheaper supermarket.

5. You will need to elaborate. In what way has the budget(s) made people in small villages feel unrepresented.

The EU referendum gave people who only care about one thing immigration a chance to give the establishment a bloody nose. Fair enough that worked, but what it has also exposed is a large number of people who harbour prejudiced opinions and have used it as an excuse to openly abuse people who are only going about their daily business. As I have said umpteen times before the blue collar workers will suffer the most because of brexit, while the elites and the opportunists have already made a killing post brexit simply because the pound has depreciated. Tough times ahead I genuinely think.

olgitgooner wrote:Paragraph 4 is a good bitch slap

Who let you back in?!!

You still here Snappy?!?!

olgitgooner wrote:You still here Snappy?!?!

No. you're having a senior moment,!

Oh!
It must be time for cocoa.
Nurse!!

Evening all , Time for today's knockabout thread.
nut flush gooner »
I say this because both you and I are entrenched and neither will be persuaded that the other is right.
You ask about a financial crisis , It's there I suppose and it's straight out of the George Soros currency manipulation handbook. perhaps when we trigger article 50 it might be time for panic , but as May keeps saying another or two years :- nothing has changed apart from the actions of traders to take advantage and the apparent willingness of other countries to open negotiations with us..

I agree about intelligence having positions in the government but the Eton - Oxford route seems akin to almost a royal succession . Poor reflection on other educational bodies if they can't supply an alternative.

Fishing and farming irrelevant since the industrial revolution ?. Well that was even before I was born and finished in 1820 , what did the population eat in those days ? because there were no Tescos or Sainsbury, they must have gone to the important markets or perhaps they were instructed to eat cake, Sorry wrong country.

Regarding voting I agree with you ,it should be compulsory even if there is a box for " F " off. But I reiterate many people are fed up and disconnected from the language of politics and in my opinion that was the reason remain lost as they were unable to communicate with the people and really they disregarded them.

Personally I don't despise the people that work in banks ( the ones that are left that is ) the front counter staff have always tried to do whatever I have asked. The upper management however are too up their arses with their own self importance half the time.

But really we are not so far apart in many views. I take it as a team you still support the Arsenal as I do ( not sure about the management or the board/owner though) . I ran my own business and have never claimed a penny and I totally agree about Blair and Brown , one should be in prison for selling the gold at the bottom of the market and the other hung drawn and quartered.

Who knows what the future holds. I am sure there will be good times and bad. Just like when we were in the EU. The recession a few years back is still hitting people hard. But i am 100% sure as soon as things go a bit tits up all the Remains will be TOLD YOU SO.

All i know so far, is the stock market has recovered and is doing ok, Petrol prices have just gone down again. When we were told they would shoot up by 10 or 20p.

Always pro's and con's in life. House prices fall (home owners pissed off). Potential first time buyers happy because they can finally afford to get on the property ladder.

A11M11 wrote:Evening all , Time for today's knockabout thread.
nut flush gooner »
I say this because both you and I are entrenched and neither will be persuaded that the other is right.
You ask about a financial crisis , It's there I suppose and it's straight out of the George Soros currency manipulation handbook. perhaps when we trigger article 50 it might be time for panic , but as May keeps saying another or two years :- nothing has changed apart from the actions of traders to take advantage and the apparent willingness of other countries to open negotiations with us..

I agree about intelligence having positions in the government but the Eton - Oxford route seems akin to almost a royal succession . Poor reflection on other educational bodies if they can't supply an alternative.

Fishing and farming irrelevant since the industrial revolution ?. Well that was even before I was born and finished in 1820 , what did the population eat in those days ? because there were no Tescos or Sainsbury, they must have gone to the important markets or perhaps they were instructed to eat cake, Sorry wrong country.

Regarding voting I agree with you ,it should be compulsory even if there is a box for " F " off. But I reiterate many people are fed up and disconnected from the language of politics and in my opinion that was the reason remain lost as they were unable to communicate with the people and really they disregarded them.

Personally I don't despise the people that work in banks ( the ones that are left that is ) the front counter staff have always tried to do whatever I have asked. The upper management however are too up their arses with their own self importance half the time.

But really we are not so far apart in many views. I take it as a team you still support the Arsenal as I do ( not sure about the management or the board/owner though) . I ran my own business and have never claimed a penny and I totally agree about Blair and Brown , one should be in prison for selling the gold at the bottom of the market and the other hung drawn and quartered.

Mate you are like a politician, you never give direct answers and always seem to sidetrack the debate. Ever thought of working in Westminster .

Didn't see any question marks so did not realise that it was an inquisition. There is little point in my trying to get into specifics on finance because you would be able to tie me up in knots and I learned years ago not to fight on someone else's territory.

I have been trying to tell you that the perception that Brexit was solely about immigration is fundamentally flawed. We mix in different circles I have just been letting your side of the blanket know how the other side feel. Many of the people that I mix with voted to leave but not for the reasons the media try to portray. It's a lot closer to home than that.

A11 just tell him to flush off