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USMartin wrote:

QuartzGooner wrote:

USMartin wrote: The number of threads is irrelevnt

You have joined the Forum and started a number of similar threads in a short space of time.
Some people have ignored them, others have challenged you.

Do not be surprised about the challenges, because it appears as if you are trying to shove your opposition to the board down people's throats.

If I posted every day about how shit s***s are not one forum member would complain and you know it, just as you know if you are honest this is an attempt to censor but wiothout admitting it. You are just dishoinest to deny it.

People can respond as often as they want. Its complaining about ahving to do so that is the issue. Either they can ignore the threads or should confince their complaints to simply the views they object to not how often they are posted.

Like I say I could have complained to the Mods about your poll, but didn't because it would have been wrong to on general principle but also because I chose not to ignore it. Are you going to say I should have tried to get you banned if I were that egotistical or my sense of humor was turned off that day for being offended when I could have avoided the thread?

Multiple threads on the same subject are not welcome, regardless of subject.

There were tons of threads about Cesc leaving and it got stupid and Mods locked them.

Right.




We all know the truth here. The Mods have acted where they felt it was appropriate, including with my threads. This isn't about repeat threads, and you know it .No matter how many times you deny it. that won't change and we both know it.

just because people are sick of you complaining about the board doesn't mean they're pleased with the way the club is being run. Board this Board that. FUCK THE BOARD. I miss the naked women topics

USMartin wrote:Right.




We all know the truth here. The Mods have acted where they felt it was appropriate, including with my threads. This isn't about repeat threads, and you know it .No matter how many times you deny it. that won't change and we both know it.

You think that failure to convince people of your arguments, is a sign of a concerted campaign to silence you!

Your monstrous ego refuses to accept that quite simply, not everyone believes in your theories.

It also makes you think that it is ok to insult respected members of the Forum, such as Olgit.

If you are an oddball who gets kicks in insulting people then so be it.

But do not expect to get respect from me.

I have given up replying to USMartins posts (hmmm what am I doing now?) because unless you agree 100% in what he is saying he just trys to beat you into submission with long winded essays.

USMartins theory's on the Arsenal board are in essence well thought out and put well if not in a written way. His arguments would be better recived if he had some first hand knowledge from an insider on the board that could confirm his theory's but with none his threads on the issue just become the ramblings of a conspirisit. The petition does nothing to prove his theory's it just makes him out to be on a huge ego trip trying to make out that his theory's have substance and a concerted backing of a lot of fans.

99% of the time Arsenal fans could not give two hoots about the board but because a number have only know sucsess under Wenger and it is now 5 season without a trophy that they are begining to look at the board and blame them when in fact to a lot of Arsenal fans there is a bigger picture to be seen

STG..expect an encyclopedia of a post coming up soon.

That' just twattish, gnuey.

Good post, STG

USMartin wrote:If you consider going from being a top-two team year after year to a top five or top ten team progression you are in fact deluded.

That's because Roman's billions came into the equation. So now instead of Arsenal and Man Utd being the contenders, Chelsea are thrown into the equation. Now we also have Man City who put Roman's billions to shame, so now we have 4 teams potentially battling it out. Add in the scousers and all the money they've spent, and look at their financial situation, and you now have 5 teams going at it. The emergence of new money has narrowed the gap between teams and these clubs' finishing positions are liable to change season from season. The only reason that Utd have been consistently finishing in the top two recently is because of the huge amount of money they've been spending to stay up there. That comes at a small cost of being close to £1bn in debt.

Great post, MM99.

Nice and concise, too

stg wrote:I have given up replying to USMartins posts (hmmm what am I doing now?) because unless you agree 100% in what he is saying he just trys to beat you into submission with long winded essays.

Actually that isn't true. All I do actually do is encourage people to consider where they do agree with me. Where I debate people in earnest is when they offer their alternative theories nut offer dubious at best evidence to support those views. If I believe that has happened then yes I am a pain the ass because I won't just let that kind of stuff slide.

stg wrote:USMartins theory's on the Arsenal board are in essence well thought out and put well if not in a written way. His arguments would be better recived if he had some first hand knowledge from an insider on the board that could confirm his theory's but with none his threads on the issue just become the ramblings of a conspirisit. The petition does nothing to prove his theory's it just makes him out to be on a huge ego trip trying to make out that his theory's have substance and a concerted backing of a lot of fans.

Actually if I had genuine inside information my arguments wouldn't be better received but indisputably true then . No direspect meant there, btw, My point is more that none of us have that information, so none of us can be sure what is happening, but looking at the information we do have I think, as I believe you are suggesting there is reason to be concerned this is happening. Which is basically what I have said back to 2006 and before that even. We simply should do everything we can to find out as much as we can so we know is is and will be happening

Basically the same thing again I was saying in 2006, the first year that Copnspiracy Theory FC won the Steve Glieber Forum Fantasy League in handsome fashion( I believe I won it anyway - if not they conspired against me ) - the name of course inspired by the facts that my views then were viewed in the same way you suggest above .

stg wrote:99% of the time Arsenal fans could not give two hoots about the board but because a number have only know sucsess under Wenger and it is now 5 season without a trophy that they are begining to look at the board and blame them when in fact to a lot of Arsenal fans there is a bigger picture to be seen

So I guess the question is how do we use that concern in a positive manner for Arsenal Football Club? I think that is what we all want at this point.

MM99 wrote:

USMartin wrote:The only reason that Utd have been consistently finishing in the top two recently is because of the huge amount of money they've been spending to stay up there. That comes at a small cost of being close to £1bn in debt.

The sole reason for nearly all the debt at United and at Liverpool(last I had heard they were still worse off than United after all) was that their previous owners sold to new owners who borrowed the money to buy those clubs and put their debt on the club's books. Had the Boards at those clubs insisted on selling to new owners who paid in full from their own pockets instead of just taking the money and leaving the supporters to ask questions later that would not be the case.

That is what would happen at Arsenal if our owners sold to any owner who puts the debt for borrowed money they bought the club with on our books. Only we'd also owe another couple of hundred million on our new stadium on top of that.

MM99 wrote:

USMartin wrote:If you consider going from being a top-two team year after year to a top five or top ten team progression you are in fact deluded.

That's because Roman's billions came into the equation. So now instead of Arsenal and Man Utd being the contenders, Chelsea are thrown into the equation. Now we also have Man City who put Roman's billions to shame, so now we have 4 teams potentially battling it out. Add in the scousers and all the money they've spent, and look at their financial situation, and you now have 5 teams going at it. The emergence of new money has narrowed the gap between teams and these clubs' finishing positions are liable to change season from season.

But none of that has forced us not to spend at all, or to pay our best most experienced players well below what other top clubs pay theirs., or to automatically let top players go at certain ages unless they will play for far less than we will pay them here, as the over-30 rule effectively does. Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes each have more goals than Cesc Fabregas AND Robin Van Persie conbined so far this year. No matter how you slice that it is exposes the over-30 policy is bad for Arsenal and good for its banks and its Board.

USMartin wrote:

MM99 wrote:

USMartin wrote:The only reason that Utd have been consistently finishing in the top two recently is because of the huge amount of money they've been spending to stay up there. That comes at a small cost of being close to £1bn in debt.

The sole reason for nearly all the debt at United and at Liverpool(last I had heard they were still worse off than United after all) was that their previous owners sold to new owners who borrowed the money to buy those clubs and put their debt on the club's books. Had the Boards at those clubs insisted on selling to new owners who paid in full from their own pockets instead of just taking the money and leaving the supporters to ask questions later that would not be the case.

That is what would happen at Arsenal if our owners sold to any owner who puts the debt for borrowed money they bought the club with on our books. Only we'd also owe another couple of hundred million on our new stadium on top of that.

Well of course that also contributes to the amount of debt they had. But don't forget each player that they've bought for £30m, players such as Berbatov, Rooney, Ferdinand, Torres costing 20m, Mascherano £18m. You can't simply forget about these astonishing fees. These all have to come from somewhere too and has significantly added to the clubs' debt.

The thing you have to realise is that every significant point and rebuttal you have to make has been explored to death by numerous posters on this forum and yet still you continue. The scope for debate has become zero leaving no other option but to tell you to shut up which results in you throwing around laughable accusations of "censorship".

And yes i could choose to ignore you, just like i could choose to ignore a screaming child thats been at it for hours... but why should I? When you post in a public space you should attempt to show reasonable consideration for what other people want to read about.

USMartin wrote:And my apologies for calling Olgit twattish but I stand by it as well.

As i say just as people like to remind they have the right to disagree with me which they certainly do, they also have the right to ignore me or the threads I open or not comment to me on my views at all. If they choose otherwise its not my fault that they do as they consytantly cry. Do they need their mothers to remind them "don't do that you know it will hurt and upset you" or something?

If Olgit who chose to and left this forum to go onto the petition site did not in fact post those signatures then I would happily apologize. I'm not sure that he did not in fact based on what he posted at that time.

But perhaps the lesson ought to be that people who choose confrontation will find it one way or another even when they did not in their mind seek it out. I have learned that lesson myself a few times, including here.

If you want to disagree - and strongly - fine. But if go out of your way to express that disagreement you may not always like whow it works out. Lord knows I have found that out a few times over the years. I just don't blame anyone else for it.

I've only just spotted this gem

I have, indeed, visited the petition site several times to see how it is progressing. I have not added any names. I would gladly admit it if I had. Why wouldn't I? The Bin Laden one was particularly good. As was Adolf.

But I have already said I have added no names. You have my word on it. I do not tell lies.

Do I get an apology now? Or am I a liar?

The rest of your post was drivel, in my opinion.

And the fact that you stand by your opinion of me as "twattish" speaks volumes. In just a few short words, too.