Wenger's mistress pregnant

[I Hate Hleb]

So you're with mikey when he suggests that 'Wenger has brought the paedophile chants on himself' because he signs young players? Because that was his initial and fundamental point.

And I can't speak for you guys but I don't know any other gooner that would even mention in passing, let alone try and justify those sick songs against our manager - unless it was to rail against anyone that sang it.

Now I think you're being a bit disingenuous here mate. As one of the old school I think you know exactly where Mikey is coming from. I do. If twitchy (taking the piss out of a disability) had the same rep, there would be a lot (majority) of gooners singing the Paedo song. There were gooners doing the gas chamber noise 10 days ago.

Mikey is being honest and raising a serious point. In my day to day life I am pretty pc. But on a weekend when the blood is running I will be out of order. I have moved on, no racism, no homophobia (i don't join in the 1 man went to mow songs, but "he's a fucking arsehole" is fine by me. Footy is tribal and cruel and if we lose all of that it will be a sad day.

Firstly, I'm not dissing anyone, let alone genuous!!! Don't even know the fellow!

Secondly, it was Mikey that said 'The whole paedophile joke against Wenger is all down to him and the project. It’s a sick joke that he has brought on himself for his obsession with signing kids and 5.5 foot youngsters.'

'Even as an Arsenal fan when I think about it does look abit weird as he only seems to like young kids and tiny midgets.'

'His obsession is there to see for everyone. He loves his kids'.

Hardly a defence of 'old terrace culture' and something more akin to what you'd find on rival fans' forums, rather than on an Arsenal one - no matter how radical and free of censorship it was!!

Thirdly, I'm also 'old-school' and can assure you that I wouldn't join in paedophile chants about Redknapp, knowing they're not true. I like the funny, piss-taking songs, not the out-right abusive ones like that one or the Gas Chamber one. And although you and mikey haven't claimed as much, I don't think that it makes anyone less of a fan if they don't join in with songs they might find distasteful. And I'm not PC in real life or in this 'unreal' scenario.

Then again, maybe I was just brought up differently.

[DB10GOONER]

I've always found the gas chamber thing distasteful and ignorant. We have more Jewish fans than they do. They are not a Jewish club (same as Celtic are not Oirish). I'm with Hlebby on this one. There is a line that shouldn't be crossed. The peado song is sick as are the holocaust taunts and songs.

And Mikey, to say Wenger brought this on himself is just braindead, mate.

[bergkamp10]

im with micky as well, football is far too pc for my liking
you sit in the ground and are half afraid to stand up or even worse say a rude word
with the fear of been thrown out

Yep happen to me at Nottingham Forest last season....Don't ask what the hell I was there for...!!!

[Irish Gooner]

I agree with everything Mikey has said so far, every word of it.

I think your right in that too many people nowadays are pc especially in our club, but again not too much on here and I think that is why most of us like it here.

And with regards the Wenger, thing, he is spot on! Let me put it this way, if Wenger didn't start his whole obsession with young players, you think half that paedo shit would still be around? No way, and I've often thought so.

Many opposition fans don't even realise it is to do with newspaper slander, and not his obsession with young players.

Of course he hasn't directly brought it on himself at all, but in a way his own actions with regards the team, have added fuel to the fire and that is what Mikey is saying.

Years ago Graham Rix got hatred everywhere he went, when they played at Wall, for 90 minutes, they ground rang around with "Graham Rix is a sex offender". Even the Pompey fans joined in ffs!

That of course is very wrong even if it was true but again just shows some of the stuff these days is blown out of proportion.

[franksav63]

Whilst I agree with Mikey and the modern day p.c. nature of football, the paedo chant against Wenger was brought on by the press when he first started at our club, which was later proved totally inaccurate, this was way before his persistence with the nurturing of young players, and placing them in our team and squad.

[mikeyb772001]

I've always found the gas chamber thing distasteful and ignorant. We have more Jewish fans than they do. They are not a Jewish club (same as Celtic are not Oirish). I'm with Hlebby on this one. There is a line that shouldn't be crossed. The peado song is sick as are the holocaust taunts and songs.

And Mikey, to say Wenger brought this on himself is just braindead, mate.

As i said before, maybe i was to honest for my own good.

We all have thoughts you wouldn’t air, and in black and white it sounds worse than it is.

One thing I will say though, singing a fake song about a Paedo that we all not isn’t, is not on the same lines of the holocaust. 11Mil deaths many tortured to death. Lets not forget that 4-5 million of those deaths were not just Jewish people and basically anyone that they felt didn’t fit there criteria.

Let’s compare that, a twisted joke about a man who isn’t a Paedo that fans sing just because they want to wind us and him up. Or a song about the death and torture of roughly 11million people.

I still agree that many of the chants aimed at Wenger is brought on himself as fans try there hardest to find any kind of weakness to jump on.

Maybe I am from a different era or maybe it’s that I am being honest about what I am like at match. Personally the more controversial the song the better, people make up these songs in the moment often when drunk. No one stops and says “excuse me sir, you can’t sing that its offensiveâ€

[I Hate Hleb]

No. It's not even witty.

[mikeyb772001]

No. It's not even witty.

Was funny at the time Hleb. I think youve been in that east stand to long. The Grove has changed you

I know your from my kind of era or even before. You must of stood in the north bank or clock end?

[slag]

i heard a rumour its a boy and he is calling him Wallace

[I Hate Hleb]

I graduated from Schoolboys section, to the North Bank and then onto the Clock End, before returning to the North Bank when it went all seater. I've sat in the East and West Stands probably 3 times each at most in over 40 years of following Arsenal, and even then it was out of necessity.

So, now that my 'real fan credentials' have hopefully been proven, the point remains that some songs are distasteful or embarrassing and I will not join in with them, regardless of whether others do or what they think. Creating a good atmosphere doesn't and shouldn't rely on how insulting about the opponents you can be.

My biggest gripe was that you tried to justify the Wenger paedo chant by involving it the ongoing debates about player selections and atmosphere, and I can't understand any gooner doing that - PC or non PC.

[mikeyb772001]

I graduated from Schoolboys section, to the North Bank and then onto the Clock End, before returning to the North Bank when it went all seater. I've sat in the East and West Stands probably 3 times each at most in over 40 years of following Arsenal, and even then it was out of necessity.

So, now that my 'real fan credentials' have hopefully been proven, the point remains that some songs are distasteful or embarrassing and I will not join in with them, regardless of whether others do or what they think. Creating a good atmosphere doesn't and shouldn't rely on how insulting about the opponents you can be.

My biggest gripe was that you tried to justify the Wenger paedo chant by involving it the ongoing debates about player selections and atmosphere, and I can't understand any gooner doing that - PC or non PC.

I wasnt saying you had to justify. I knew already that youve been around the block!

I join in with most chants, drink however does make some chants seem more funny.

[Gooner Chris]

Wenger's taking legal action against The Sun over these allegations.

[Number 5]

Let’s compare that, a twisted joke about a man who isn’t a Paedo that fans sing just because they want to wind us and him up. Or a song about the death and torture of roughly 11million people.

Yes lets.

If it's enough to laugh at one, you sure as hell better be man enough to laugh at the other.

Otherwise you really do come across as a total prick.

I'm a father of 3 and, dare I say it again, Catholic. Breaking down the offence in those songs to a singular level, which do you think offends me more?

In a broader sense one may be worse than the other but how many people really look outside at the wider scope than focus on things directly related to themselves?

I make some sick jokes and laugh at some depraved shit. I am literally all or nothing. I can count using the fingers on one hand the things I find off limits.

Your general attitude here smacks of hypocrisy, you can't take the moral high ground saying songs about the holocaust are wrong whilst finding other songs about the sexual abuse of children humerous.

It just doesn't work.

[MegaGooner]

Let’s compare that, a twisted joke about a man who isn’t a Paedo that fans sing just because they want to wind us and him up. Or a song about the death and torture of roughly 11million people.

Yes lets.

If it's enough to laugh at one, you sure as hell better be man enough to laugh at the other.

Otherwise you really do come across as a total prick.

I'm a father of 3 and, dare I say it again, Catholic. Breaking down the offence in those songs to a singular level, which do you think offends me more?

In a broader sense one may be worse than the other but how many people really look outside at the wider scope than focus on things directly related to themselves?

I make some sick jokes and laugh at some depraved shit. I am literally all or nothing. I can count using the fingers on one hand the things I find off limits.

Your general attitude here smacks of hypocrisy, you can't take the moral high ground saying songs about the holocaust are wrong whilst finding other songs about the sexual abuse of children humerous.

It just doesn't work.

Excellent post Number 5

[mikeyb772001]

Let’s compare that, a twisted joke about a man who isn’t a Paedo that fans sing just because they want to wind us and him up. Or a song about the death and torture of roughly 11million people.

Yes lets.

If it's enough to laugh at one, you sure as hell better be man enough to laugh at the other.

Otherwise you really do come across as a total prick.

I'm a father of 3 and, dare I say it again, Catholic. Breaking down the offence in those songs to a singular level, which do you think offends me more?

In a broader sense one may be worse than the other but how many people really look outside at the wider scope than focus on things directly related to themselves?

I make some sick jokes and laugh at some depraved shit. I am literally all or nothing. I can count using the fingers on one hand the things I find off limits.

Your general attitude here smacks of hypocrisy, you can't take the moral high ground saying songs about the holocaust are wrong whilst finding other songs about the sexual abuse of children humerous.

It just doesn't work.

FFS here we go again with somone that doesnt read the thread and jumps over certain points!!!

When did i say that making a vile chant about Wenger was funny? I didnt!

I said that no matter what they sing about Wenger its not on the same level as singing about the Holocaust! I still stick by that now.

I dont like the songs about Wenger, there sick and crude but thats football fans for you. I think your the one taking the moral high ground here. Your telling me that you never laughed at the 1000's of michael jackson jokes that were going around? You know the ones.

The Wenger chant is wrong but so are football fans after 8 pints.

End of the day my point was that if the tables were turned there would be plenty of us singing about Fergie or Harry. You can say no way i would never do that but i dont agree.

The Holocaust is another matter, as i said 11million people tortured to death, all those familys split up. Probably 100's of millions of lives fucked. Yeh thats just as bad as a bunch of scum and manure singinmg about Wenger.