THAT'S IT

[Rosie_titters]

our big problem, is we don't sign big name players, who have played in some of the best leagues in europe and have won things

what is the point of signing players from the belgium league and the french 2nd division

cos they're cheap as pommes frites

Complete the phrase:

Pay peanuts......

i thought we had the 3rd or 4th highest wage bill in the PL, so dishing out big bucks doesn't seem to be the problem

[marcengels]

our big problem, is we don't sign big name players, who have played in some of the best leagues in europe and have won things

what is the point of signing players from the belgium league and the french 2nd division

cos they're cheap as pommes frites

Complete the phrase:

Pay peanuts......

i thought we had the 3rd or 4th highest wage bill in the PL, so dishing out big bucks doesn't seem to be the problem

yes, we pay more for complete shit than any other team.

Too much of the no-hopers are on big wages that they wouldn't get anywhere else, with the same exposure, at the same level.

[frankbutcher]

our big problem, is we don't sign big name players, who have played in some of the best leagues in europe and have won things

what is the point of signing players from the belgium league and the french 2nd division

cos they're cheap as pommes frites

Complete the phrase:

Pay peanuts......

i thought we had the 3rd or 4th highest wage bill in the PL, so dishing out big bucks doesn't seem to be the problem

Transfer fees boyo!

[QuartzGooner]

our big problem, is we don't sign big name players, who have played in some of the best leagues in europe and have won things

what is the point of signing players from the belgium league and the french 2nd division

cos they're cheap as pommes frites

Complete the phrase:

Pay peanuts......

i thought we had the 3rd or 4th highest wage bill in the PL, so dishing out big bucks doesn't seem to be the problem

USMartin reckons the reason we have such high wages is because the board want to pay big money to mediocre players in order to give the impression that we have cash to splash, rather than to show intent on winning.

I just think the boss got it wrong on too many players, and needs to get in a decent defence coach.

[USMartin]

our big problem, is we don't sign big name players, who have played in some of the best leagues in europe and have won things

what is the point of signing players from the belgium league and the french 2nd division

cos they're cheap as pommes frites

Complete the phrase:

Pay peanuts......

i thought we had the 3rd or 4th highest wage bill in the PL, so dishing out big bucks doesn't seem to be the problem

USMartin reckons the reason we have such high wages is because the board want to pay big money to mediocre players in order to give the impression that we have cash to splash, rather than to show intent on winning.

I just think the boss got it wrong on too many players, and needs to get in a decent defence coach.

Yes I think that is part of it. I also believe they are trying to as they have said protect their investment value, so it works tow ways for them.

How else would you explain the fact that when our wage bill was 40 million pounds smaller our two highest paid player were paid significantly more than our highest paid player now?

I think its simply a matter of its more profitable to overpay a really crap player than to underpay a top-quality player to fill that shirt, and it still allows them to claim they pay as good as other big clubs with similar payrolls too.

[USMartin]

our big problem, is we don't sign big name players, who have played in some of the best leagues in europe and have won things

what is the point of signing players from the belgium league and the french 2nd division

cos they're cheap as pommes frites

Complete the phrase:

Pay peanuts......

i thought we had the 3rd or 4th highest wage bill in the PL, so dishing out big bucks doesn't seem to be the problem

Transfer fees boyo!

And this is where the wage structure really works. If you won't pay the best players competitive wages they won't sign with you, and that will keep your transfer spending down without having to say we don't want to spend more in the transfer market.

Could this just be down to Arsene Wenger? Maybe. But we need to know and to Board need to know we want to know because that might bring pressure on them to act to correct this.

Of course I could also be right but then we could bring pressure on them to correct that as well.

The main problem is either way they doon't seemed too concerned as that deserves some sort of more candid explanation as to why. And we won't get it unless we demand it.

[SteveO 35]

Guys please. If you acquire shares at the rate that Usmanov and Kroenke have and have built up nigh on 30% equity stake in a club, do you really think you'd piss that investment up the wall by overpaying in wages. How does that work please ?

The annual payroll is now £9m more than this time last year. Someone tell me why a board of directors and shareholders would deliberately approve that without thinking they were getting a return.

Company boards do not decide what the employees are paid; that's why we have a highly paid Chief Exec who came in a blaze of glory and appointed a whole new commercial team to oversee these affairs. Do you think Bendtner's new contract goes all the way up to Kroenke and Usmanov......it is decided by management. Management is then accountable to the shareholders.

[n7gooner]

Can't wait to hear what they've all got to say on Twitter tomorrow Probably all off to Nandos for some chicken wings while I stay in bed with the door locked.

THEY COULDN'T GIVE A FUCK.

http://twitter.com/aaronjramsey


Looks like your right

[QuartzGooner]

Guys please. If you acquire shares at the rate that Usmanov and Kroenke have and have built up nigh on 30% equity stake in a club, do you really think you'd piss that investment up the wall by overpaying in wages. How does that work please ?

The annual payroll is now £9m more than this time last year. Someone tell me why a board of directors and shareholders would deliberately approve that without thinking they were getting a return.

Company boards do not decide what the employees are paid; that's why we have a highly paid Chief Exec who came in a blaze of glory and appointed a whole new commercial team to oversee these affairs. Do you think Bendtner's new contract goes all the way up to Kroenke and Usmanov......it is decided by management. Management is then accountable to the shareholders.

Agree.
This is the point I, Frankbutcher and others have made.

The board do want success, but will take Champions League qualification as a realistic financial bottom line.

The big issue for most fans is that success can happen, and it does not have to be spending loads to achieve. Two or three well thought out signings and a defensive coach should make this squad into winners.

[SteveO 35]

Guys please. If you acquire shares at the rate that Usmanov and Kroenke have and have built up nigh on 30% equity stake in a club, do you really think you'd piss that investment up the wall by overpaying in wages. How does that work please ?

The annual payroll is now £9m more than this time last year. Someone tell me why a board of directors and shareholders would deliberately approve that without thinking they were getting a return.

Company boards do not decide what the employees are paid; that's why we have a highly paid Chief Exec who came in a blaze of glory and appointed a whole new commercial team to oversee these affairs. Do you think Bendtner's new contract goes all the way up to Kroenke and Usmanov......it is decided by management. Management is then accountable to the shareholders.

Agree.
This is the point I, Frankbutcher and others have made.

The board do want success, but will take Champions League qualification as a realistic financial bottom line.

The big issue for most fans is that success can happen, and it does not have to be spending loads to achieve. Two or three well thought out signings and a defensive coach should make this squad into winners.

We have a small group of wealthy shareholders; they want to increase the value of their stake so that upon the inevitable buy-out (whoever moves first) they get a massive return on equity. That is what they are about; nothing more nothing less. To think they would actively partake in some sort of deliberate deterioration in value is not worthy of a second's thought (unless they all believe in self harming !). Collectively they know fuck all about football; they employ Gazidis who in turn employs his team (he probably calls it Team Arsenal). The only way the shareholders value will drop is if Arsenal's bottom line goes down and the debt goes up. If Wenger fails to deliver CL football then they may start to up the ante as Gazidis will be failing in his role as Chief Exec - at that point they may chose to become more actively involved. Till then we sit and wait (and I listen to a group of old fashioned, know nothings in Block 2 telling each other how fabulous our shareholder structure is). Life 'the modern Arsenal' way

[piresistible]

Seriously Johnny

I share your frustration with the team.

But I had to sit through Hillier, McGoldrick, Jensen in the mid 90's and others who believe it or not were worse than Denilson, Diaby and Rosicky.

I had to sit/stand in the early and mid 80's before Graham arrived when we were a million miles from winning the league, and we all had to guess which Charlie Nicholas would turn up to the game, and watch a late career Rixy add to his collection of sideways passes.

We all want to see new signings of quality players,but we just have to stick with the club through thick and thin.

Henry

The board?
For me this about Wenger, keeping faith in players who are not good enough, and not coaching defence well enough.

The only logical person on this whole forum.

[piresistible]

I'VE HAD FUCKING ENOUGH!!!

I used to stick by Wenger non-stop, non-fucking stop and really thought this would be it! Today after the injustice of midweek, I thought we'd batter that 2 bob line-up that Fergie put out, but no. We have no bollox bottle or anything!!

I'm 25 now, been a season ticket holder since the age of 7, yep 7, and this year I won't be renewing. I am not even turning up to the next home game! I used to love this club, and have travelled all over the world to see them. When your fans of Blackburns and Bolton go, you're joking, I'd like to see that every week! What us make up the fucking numbers and get out witted by eveyone in football whilst paying for a ticket what they pay for 10, whilst their clubs spend more money than us??! No chance.

Think Arsene was very lucky in the beginning now when I look at it! Inherited a great defence, and back bone, Bergkamps etc and David Dein used to make sure he'd spend, now he's got free reign, we're absolutely inept! Buy three proper players in Jan and we'd have won the Carling Cup at least and probs been in either the Champs League or FA cup still and gone onto win the Prem. Now we'll win fuck all!!!

Fuming! Tada from me Arsenal!!! All you'll get is my Sky subscription!! So pissed off right now!

You are giving up on your season ticket – great news – who needs fans like you?
Enjoy life at the Lane – after all you claim, against all evidence,Spurs are in the ascendncy over Arsenal?
Fool……sorry, plastic fool

[jonny3110]

You are giving up on your season ticket – great news – who needs fans like you?
Enjoy life at the Lane – after all you claim, against all evidence,Spurs are in the ascendncy over Arsenal?
Fool……sorry, plastic fool

Haha, what an idiot!! Because I'm moving to a silver membership due to the fact that I think paying £1700 on a season ticket when I might as well get a video of any of the past 6 seasons, seeing as they basically are all the same: glimmer of hope, some very memorable wins, finish line in sight, crap ourselves, loads of injuries, and have a month of relegation form, end in top 4 trophyless, followed by a summer of he will buy (he never does), and our top stars being poached by Barca, this all means that I'll support sp*rs and that I'm a plastic fool??? No you're an absolutely blind sighted fool, I'm not paying that money because I cannot stand to part with my hard earned cash when what we need is STARING US STRAIGHT IN THE FACE and our Manager is so f*cking stubborn that he won't just admit this project isn't going to work and needs to buy. I'll still go the arsenal pal, as I have done for my whole life, but as a bond holder I can keep my ST on hold, and as a silver member I can go to any home game that I wish, so I'll pick and choose thanks. At a guess you're not a ST holder anyway so I don't know why I have to justify on here to 'plastics' like you why I'm packing in the ticket, as I only started using this forum to get a spare away if I never had enough credits but started this thread just to see how many others are the same and doing this (and believe me the people I sit with, there is a LOT!!!). Also I was going in the days of Hillier, McGoldrick, Jensen etc but then the players weren't film stars you couldn't be near, they were local lads, fans like you, tried their nuts off, it cost a shit load less to go and we used to buy players without being told were gonna win the lot and win nothing!!!

[mikeyb772001]

You are giving up on your season ticket – great news – who needs fans like you?
Enjoy life at the Lane – after all you claim, against all evidence,Spurs are in the ascendncy over Arsenal?
Fool……sorry, plastic fool

Haha, what an idiot!! Because I'm moving to a silver membership due to the fact that I think paying £1700 on a season ticket when I might as well get a video of any of the past 6 seasons, seeing as they basically are all the same: glimmer of hope, some very memorable wins, finish line in sight, crap ourselves, loads of injuries, and have a month of relegation form, end in top 4 trophyless, followed by a summer of he will buy (he never does), and our top stars being poached by Barca, this all means that I'll support sp*rs and that I'm a plastic fool??? No you're an absolutely blind sighted fool, I'm not paying that money because I cannot stand to part with my hard earned cash when what we need is STARING US STRAIGHT IN THE FACE and our Manager is so f*cking stubborn that he won't just admit this project isn't going to work and needs to buy. I'll still go the arsenal pal, as I have done for my whole life, but as a bond holder I can keep my ST on hold, and as a silver member I can go to any home game that I wish, so I'll pick and choose thanks. At a guess you're not a ST holder anyway so I don't know why I have to justify on here to 'plastics' like you why I'm packing in the ticket, as I only started using this forum to get a spare away if I never had enough credits but started this thread just to see how many others are the same and doing this (and believe me the people I sit with, there is a LOT!!!). Also I was going in the days of Hillier, McGoldrick, Jensen etc but then the players weren't film stars you couldn't be near, they were local lads, fans like you, tried their nuts off, it cost a shit load less to go and we used to buy players without being told were gonna win the lot and win nothing!!!

GOOD FUCKING POST JONNY!!!!!!!!!

[flash gunner]

USMartin = Wenger apologist

Thats it Marty keep clouding the real issues but all this board bollocks

No you are cloding the real issue perhaps - what about that

As I said in another thread I simply don't believe the man is a complete idiot or fool or that he just happened to become one just as the Board over=-borrowed money to change its plans and pursue what looks right now like a stock-doping project given that so far all the re-development of highbury has done besides make less money available to invest in the team is increase the vlalue of shares in the club.

But you'd rather believ that's just coinciudence too maybe?

I get told my views are too far-fetched. Fair enough in a sense - it is pretty shocking stuff to take in. But is it anymore far-fetched than suggesting that the manager suddenly lost his ability to evaluate and develop talent just two years away from 2004 and after the building the 2002-2005 team that might be our best ever, and that no one at the club has noticed this or is willing to do any thing about it and th his lack of sopending had haelped makes the shareholders ebven wealthier is mere coincidence or accident of fate?

The same applies for the whole "project" theory. How realisitic is it to suggest that as since her reportedly did this at Monaco that the Board had no idea whatsoever he would do this hear and he would do it just as they overborrowed this money and that they the extra money they have made in part because of it was again just really dumb liuck?

You are a Board apologist if you don't see that.

I hate the board as well as Wenger, what does that make me? (NO one else answer this) Where as you will make every excuse under the sun for your beloved leader....... Arsene doesnt know anymore!!!!