Political views of realists and rosetinters

[SWLGooner]

What is the difference between the Air Quality Expert Group and the Expert Panel on Air Quality Standards?

[frankbutcher]

What is the difference between the Air Quality Expert Group and the Expert Panel on Air Quality Standards?

Ask JD - they both do crucial world-saving work.

[northbankbren]

Cuts need to be made from the top downwards.

Banks who had to be bailed out by the goverment like rbs should be paying no bonuses at all.

I also dont buy into the "well they'll go work elsewhere" argument. Banks in the US are outright refusing to pay the bonuses until there is real growth. Something which should happen in this country.

And tax dodgers like Fred Goodwin need to be held to account.

The recent budget just proved that the rich are the priority. And this is whats wrong with all the current political parties. They're run by men who have zero life experience apart from being born with the silver spoon in the mouth, sent to oxbridge and then straight into a political party on the back of daddies contacts.

I think its disgusting that cuts are being made for the lowest income jobs and families while these mass corporations and banks get away with huge tax evasion and paying huge bonuses during a crisis which they created.

I'll be voting for the lesser of the two evils for mayor. And it wont be for Boris.

[HashKads]

Frank, what are your views on UKIP?

[frankbutcher]

Cuts need to be made from the top downwards.

Banks who had to be bailed out by the goverment like rbs should be paying no bonuses at all.

I also dont buy into the "well they'll go work elsewhere" argument. Banks in the US are outright refusing to pay the bonuses until there is real growth. Something which should happen in this country.

And tax dodgers like Fred Goodwin need to be held to account.

The recent budget just proved that the rich are the priority. And this is whats wrong with all the current political parties. They're run by men who have zero life experience apart from being born with the silver spoon in the mouth, sent to oxbridge and then straight into a political party on the back of daddies contacts.

I think its disgusting that cuts are being made for the lowest income jobs and families while these mass corporations and banks get away with huge tax evasion and paying huge bonuses during a crisis which they created.

I'll be voting for the lesser of the two evils for mayor. And it wont be for Boris.

I completely agree Bren. The Banks were allowed to get away with ridiculous stuff. Personally I work in Business Banking and I've never had a silly bonus. I still earn good money, but it's a pretty challenging job to be a bank manager to businesses. Particularly with the anti-Bank press, I get more abuse during work hours than on here, The firm i work for were never bailed out but I'm not stupid enough to ignore the fact that QE helped us. Some of the guys that work in Banks are absolutely useless. And I mean useless. So there are plenty of non-jobs in Banks. Top Bankers should be taxed at a super-tax level. It is a fine line between over-taxing and causing firms to move country, but I can't see that really happening. London is too centric with regard to time-differences and the location pretty much in the centre of the Western world. The top brass of Banks are effectively earning money for old rope. It's like paying the dealer at the casino stupid money? They don't take any real risks. The risk takers are the individuals betting against the house. In regards to targetting the common man. The simple fact is that taxing a couple of thousand bankers (that is the amount of bankers on multi-millions) is not going to pay for the deficit. You forget that everyone who owns a house has used the Banks to earn much of the equity in their houses. That has set people up for life. You can't have it both ways. The endless spending has to stop some time. Some of us will be taxed more than others (the deductiions in my take home pay are a joke ), but it needs to happen. Not all the rich people in this country work for banks or inherited it. Why clobber hard-working people who bettered themselves to pay for a ferral under-class that want to sit on benefits their whole lives????

[frankbutcher]

Frank, what are your views on UKIP?

Joke party. An independent UK would be fucked. We might save money due to welfare reforms, but we'd lose a shed-load from the loss of international trade. I actually quite like being in Europe for what it's worth. We have more in common with the French and Germans than we do with the yanks.

[Henry Norris 1913]

Frank, what are your views on UKIP?

Joke party. An independent UK would be fucked. We might save money due to welfare reforms, but we'd lose a shed-load from the loss of international trade. I actually quite like being in Europe for what it's worth. We have more in common with the French and Germans than we do with the yanks.

maybe start your own, or is it more comforting being the person on the sidelines, who knows it all but won't dare you his own thing, like your lambasting of swl over the banner. start your own polictical party, how about "The Anti-Clique Society"

[frankbutcher]

Frank, what are your views on UKIP?

Joke party. An independent UK would be fucked. We might save money due to welfare reforms, but we'd lose a shed-load from the loss of international trade. I actually quite like being in Europe for what it's worth. We have more in common with the French and Germans than we do with the yanks.

maybe start your own, or is it more comforting being the person on the sidelines, who knows it all but won't dare you his own thing, like your lambasting of swl over the banner. start your own polictical party, how about "The Anti-Clique Society"

EH?? How about the "Wannabe hooligan - top-to-toe in Stone Island Party" You can be the Chairman.

[highburyJD]

The government spends more than GDP derives in income.

still means nothing frank

[Henry Norris 1913]

Frank, what are your views on UKIP?

Joke party. An independent UK would be fucked. We might save money due to welfare reforms, but we'd lose a shed-load from the loss of international trade. I actually quite like being in Europe for what it's worth. We have more in common with the French and Germans than we do with the yanks.

maybe start your own, or is it more comforting being the person on the sidelines, who knows it all but won't dare you his own thing, like your lambasting of swl over the banner. start your own polictical party, how about "The Anti-Clique Society"

EH?? How about the "Wannabe hooligan - top-to-toe in Stone Island Party" You can be the Chairman.

where the fuck did you get that from

[highburyJD]

The top brass of Banks are effectively earning money for old rope. It's like paying the dealer at the casino stupid money? They don't take any real risks.

if only this were true we wouldn't be in a banking based recession.
The reality is they oversaw far bigger risks being taken than they even knew
but still got paid for their failure

[frankbutcher]

The government spends more than GDP derives in income.

still means nothing frank

The UK's annual income is derived from its GDP.
You still haven't told me how you spend to get out of a deficit.

[frankbutcher]

The top brass of Banks are effectively earning money for old rope. It's like paying the dealer at the casino stupid money? They don't take any real risks.

if only this were true we wouldn't be in a banking based recession.
The reality is they oversaw far bigger risks being taken than they even knew
but still got paid for their failure

They don't take personal risks. I.e they get paid even if things go tits up for the Bank. They risked the Bank's and the UK's future and still got paid big money for it. Look at Goodwin, Bob Diamond etc. You're agreeing with me now.

[Henry Norris 1913]

Frank, what are your views on UKIP?

Joke party. An independent UK would be fucked. We might save money due to welfare reforms, but we'd lose a shed-load from the loss of international trade. I actually quite like being in Europe for what it's worth. We have more in common with the French and Germans than we do with the yanks.

maybe start your own, or is it more comforting being the person on the sidelines, who knows it all but won't dare you his own thing, like your lambasting of swl over the banner. start your own polictical party, how about "The Anti-Clique Society"

EH?? How about the "Wannabe hooligan - top-to-toe in Stone Island Party" You can be the Chairman.

where the fuck did you get that from

[highburyJD]

we have a massive GDP deficit

Eh? In that one phrase you have demonstrated you haven't got a clue what you are talking about.

We have a massive deficit as a percentage of our GDP. In other words we spend more than our GDP every year. I know exactly what I'm talking about.

as Chippy correctly pointed out you obviously havent a clue

Shown yourself up again mate. GDP is more akin to Turnover, which is a P&L item. GDP is an annual measure.

is wrong - GDP can be measured over whatever period you like
and its totally different to turnover
as I said once already: Gross domestic product (GDP) refers to the market value of all officially recognized final goods and services produced within a country in a given period. You said this was wrong - its the dictionary definition.
Final goods and services produced is not turnover

The government spends more than GDP derives in income. I thought you would get the gist of the point.

government spending is a huge and fundamental part of GDP
so no, govt income is not "derived from GDP'
you may well understanding moneylending but you don't understand economics
you havent understood some of the simplest key concepts and phrases

I didn't actually personally suggest 'spending out of a deficit' at all (the £100 hypothetical was explaining to the hard of thinking how the UK is not a business) but the concept of 'spending out of a deficit' isn't crazy or out-there. Its basic Keynesian economics.