POLL: WOULD YOU GIVE ARSENE WENGER A NEW CONTRACT

[usb]

New deal? I wouldn't give the f***er the time of day

[the playing mantis]

o let me see, why would a player claim another club wated them but he turned them down for us? well maybe because he was trying to endear himself to the fans, the idiotic ones who believed him like those who claim chelsea wanted him and why would the player say this if it wasnt true....

dont be so naive .

[Babatunde]

We wouldn't get any of the names being thrown around on here. Just going out and employing the next "name" on the list isn't going to happen at Arsenal. Regardless of how people interpret the Arsenal "brand", the club aren't going to change that by employing someone who might not follow their ideas.

How would you feel if they gave it to someone like Steve Bould? Same money to spend/not spend and the same squad. Would you be happy with that?

Jurgen Klopp is not a big name, and I would have him in an absolute heartbeat. Would not think twice about it, he's basically btich-slapped the mighty Bayern, and actually develops quality young players (unlike Wenger) and most of all, HE WINS TROPHIES. Back to back Bundesligas and a wage bill that's under £35 million. That's bloody unreal management.

The AKBs do make me laugh though. On the one hand, they spend their whole time claiming that Lord Arsene has been shafted by the board, 'his hands are tied' and 'Kroenke is sending his rep through the shitter'. And yet, if and when Wenker signs this new contract what will that tell you!

Would a person being held hostage in a dark basement seek out their kdinapper once liberated, and ask them to hold them hostage AGAIN? Course bloody not! It's a farce
Wenger will renew because there is not another single club in Europe that would ever entertain paying a manager over £70 million in wages for 10 years of failure.

I will repeat this: IF WENGER MANAGES ARSENAL UNTIL 2014 HE WILL HAVE RAKED IN OVER £70 MILLION IN WAGES TO OVERSEE A CLUB THAT HAS NOT EVEN MANAGED A TOP 2 FINISH INNINE YEARS LET ALONE A SINGLE TROPHY OF ANY NOTE.

The list of managers who have better trophy records than Wenger since he last won one is comical.
Gazidis interview is possibly the biggest PR own goal I have ever seen, it's simply far too easy to discredit the utter bullshit that comes out of his inane trap.

Two things here.

1) Name a single player that Klopp has developed in full? i.e. Which player has he brought from Mainz in 2008 and developed over the past 3 years?
Klopp has no doubt done well, but the success of Dortmund has been brought about by a youth development strategy that has been producing players for decades. Hmmm a Youth Policy that takes decades to build and develop you say, one that allows a club to grow organically and to be able to compete against the european heavyweights (e.g Bayern Munich???), sounds a bit like what Wenger is trying to set up, No???
Oh yeah, and didn't Dortmund (sorry I mean Klopp) sell their best player this summer (Kagawa)

Essentially a vote for Klopp, is a vote for Wenger as their strategies are both the same.

2) Fundamentally you still don't get this top 2 issue do you? There is no way in a million years anyone could have predicted the growth of Chelsea and Man City when we embarked on the Emirates project. There just wasn't an example in European football that people really knew about at the time the project was planned and began to be implemented. Now these teams have affected Arsenal's results it's a simple and for you inconvenient truth.
Yes it's annoying and there's no doubt we haven't helped ourselves with some of the activity in the transfer market (and most importantly some of the contracts we have agreed with players)

Do I think FFP or the renegotiation of our commercial deals will have an effect? Yes, they definitely will. Will they have enough effect? Not sure..
Personally I am of the school of thought that says we should be speculating a little (short term losses of £20-£25 million for the next two years would not be disastrous if the commerical deals are worthwhile)

p.s. I voted "No" before you ask, or denounce my viewpoint in some condescending and rude manner that has become your staple diet since you joined.
Why? Quite simply Wenger will stay in 2 years if we want him to regardless of whether he signs/is offered a new contract now. He's not of the age where another club project would be that attractive to him, so as it stands we hold all the aces in this particular hand. And if we decide a change is needed in 2 years then we can do so

There is so much wrong with what you wrote it's laughable.

I'll address this in a simple manner.

1. Your laughable claim that 'a vote for Klopp is a vote for Wenger'
Wrong. Want to know a fundamental difference? Jurgen Klopp doesn't bitch about FFP, he wins. He doesn't moan about Bayern's ridiculous spending power that dwarfs his, nor does he complain that he has a wage bill on a par with Southampton. He gets on with it and wins.
A youth policy 'that takes decades to build'? Wow those time-scales with Arsene keep changing. How about a 'youth policy' that has seen all the best young players sold to the highest bidder, young players that are actually poached from other academies (Nasri/Marseille; Cesc/Barca; Flamini/Marseille, Clichy/Caen).
Sorry, you are talking nonsense. What is 'organic' about what Wenger does? I do not know of a single manager who tries to develop a youth policy by signing the likes of Giroud, Sol Campbell as a pensioner, Jens Lehmann as a pensioner etc.
There is nothing 'organic' about what Wenger does. What he does is pure and simple business, buy/sell.

'Youth policy' is a myth, a ficitious piece of nonsense made to legislate for his appalling management and lack of success.

Southampton have developed more players than Wenger himself over the past 8 years. FACT.

Oh and do you also know who realised Mario Goetze was kicking about in the Dortmund ressies and gave him his chance? That would be Jurgen Klopp. Sold Kagawa did he? True. But only after Kagawa had won Dortmund two league titles first, the way Ronaldo won Manure pots before Fergie sold him. Unlike Wenger who sells players at their peak, having won nothing for the club.
Oh and you also forgot to mention that unlike small-time Wenger; Klopp used the proceeds of the sale of Kagawa, and went out and signed one of the best young German players in Marco Reus.
Increase your knowledge please.

2. Bla bla bla Chelski and Citeh growth.
Wow. How on earth has Alex Ferguson been able to win all those league titles and European cups despite Chelski and Citeh money? Why is it that the only club bitching consistently about Chelski/Citeh cash is the very same club that makes it a fundamental matter of policy to sell all its best players to them!!!
And again, you are wrong. When planning permission for Ashburton had been approved, the club were fully aware of Abramovich.

In Roman's first year in England Arsenal still won the league. The club was then in an imperious position, whereby any player in Europe would have joined, the players were established and settled. There were significan advantages - and Wenger ballsed it all up with a vanity project. You all elevated him so much post-Invincibles that he thought he could do whatever he so wanted.

Chelski finished SIXTH last season. Why are you therefore moaning about their cash? It makes you look a little bit silly when Fergie's boys, where the Glazers have put the club into massive debt and they also spend nothing almost every summer net (balance the fees post Ronaldo sale)....compete with them.

You claim Citeh and Chelski have 'influenced Arsenal's results'

That is the most apologetic loser talk I have ever heard. Examples of the results Chelski and Citeh have affected:

- Losing 8-2 at OT
- Losing 3-2 at Swansea
- Conceding 49 goals
- Losing 4-0 at Milan
- Losing 3-2 at Wigan after being 2-0 up
- Failing to beat Liverpool at home in a title run-in despite taking a 98th minute lead
- Failing to beat Liverpool in the CL at Anfield despite scoring an 89th minute equalizer
- Drawing 4-4 with Newcastle after going 4-0 up.
- Losing at home to Wigan
- Wasting £24 million combined on Gervinho and Giroud even though everyone knows they're mediocre at best
- Getting a wage bill up to £130 million
- Selling a captain and best player to Man United.

Yes that's right. They have seriously affected our results
It just shows the loser Wenger mentality engrained within certain Arsenal fans whereby instead of looking at the multiple failures of management, it is always someone else's fault!

Your claim that 'there wasn't an example in football' of such largesse is again, nonsense.
Look at how much Thaksin Shinawatra spent when he took over Citeh and the wages paid to Benjani, Caicedo, Jo, Santa Cruz, they were blowing money - but they were spending it badly, so none of you moaned. Now that Mancini spends it properly, the bitching begins.

Final point from me: last season in France, PSG oversaw the biggest single spending spree in the history of French football. And yet....a wee team from Southern France called Montpellier, won the league title. How on earth did they manage that then? Why didn't their fans spend the whole year moaning about 'cannot compete' (whilst being declared the 4th richest club in the world )

L-A-U-G-H-A-B-L-E

Served.

[Babatunde]

Giroud is someone I have watched play several several times. He is a target man. He isn't a playmaking number 10 with a deft touch who also scored the odd goal, as Bergkamp did. It shows what a baseless knowledge of football you truly possess, comparing a target man number 9 with a great number 10 and goalscoring

Out of curiosity mate are you french or is french football just a fetish of yours despite the fact you dont seem to rate any of the players?

Both. (only part Frog mind)


P.S: Benzema is quality, Belhanda is who Wenger should have signed from Montpellier he's class and Menez is half decent!

[clockender1]

yes - if we finish top or close 2nd in the league and win a cup.

regardless of his mistakes and flaws in the past, its how he does this season that counts - and so far he's added quality in midfield with Cazorla being lauded as the signing of the season (not oscar, RVP or anyone else), and the back four seems to have tightened up even with three of our four starters out.

with Giroud and Pod it's too early to tell but pod and santi upfront look like they could be deadly, especially if supported by Ox and Jack.

Judge him in May - anything else is just JCL stupidity.

[clockender1]

- Wasting £24 million combined on Gervinho and Giroud even though everyone knows they're mediocre at best
....blah blah blah.....

And yet....a wee team from Southern France called Montpellier, won the league title. How on earth did they manage that then?

i'd guess the following :

Rank Name Team Goals
1 Olivier Giroud Montpellier 21

[richpye]

- Wasting £24 million combined on Gervinho and Giroud even though everyone knows they're mediocre at best
....blah blah blah.....

And yet....a wee team from Southern France called Montpellier, won the league title. How on earth did they manage that then?

i'd guess the following :

Rank Name Team Goals
1 Olivier Giroud Montpellier 21

Fantastic

[richpye]

We wouldn't get any of the names being thrown around on here. Just going out and employing the next "name" on the list isn't going to happen at Arsenal. Regardless of how people interpret the Arsenal "brand", the club aren't going to change that by employing someone who might not follow their ideas.

How would you feel if they gave it to someone like Steve Bould? Same money to spend/not spend and the same squad. Would you be happy with that?

Jurgen Klopp is not a big name, and I would have him in an absolute heartbeat. Would not think twice about it, he's basically btich-slapped the mighty Bayern, and actually develops quality young players (unlike Wenger) and most of all, HE WINS TROPHIES. Back to back Bundesligas and a wage bill that's under £35 million. That's bloody unreal management.

The AKBs do make me laugh though. On the one hand, they spend their whole time claiming that Lord Arsene has been shafted by the board, 'his hands are tied' and 'Kroenke is sending his rep through the shitter'. And yet, if and when Wenker signs this new contract what will that tell you!

Would a person being held hostage in a dark basement seek out their kdinapper once liberated, and ask them to hold them hostage AGAIN? Course bloody not! It's a farce
Wenger will renew because there is not another single club in Europe that would ever entertain paying a manager over £70 million in wages for 10 years of failure.

I will repeat this: IF WENGER MANAGES ARSENAL UNTIL 2014 HE WILL HAVE RAKED IN OVER £70 MILLION IN WAGES TO OVERSEE A CLUB THAT HAS NOT EVEN MANAGED A TOP 2 FINISH INNINE YEARS LET ALONE A SINGLE TROPHY OF ANY NOTE.

The list of managers who have better trophy records than Wenger since he last won one is comical.
Gazidis interview is possibly the biggest PR own goal I have ever seen, it's simply far too easy to discredit the utter bullshit that comes out of his inane trap.

Two things here.

1) Name a single player that Klopp has developed in full? i.e. Which player has he brought from Mainz in 2008 and developed over the past 3 years?
Klopp has no doubt done well, but the success of Dortmund has been brought about by a youth development strategy that has been producing players for decades. Hmmm a Youth Policy that takes decades to build and develop you say, one that allows a club to grow organically and to be able to compete against the european heavyweights (e.g Bayern Munich???), sounds a bit like what Wenger is trying to set up, No???
Oh yeah, and didn't Dortmund (sorry I mean Klopp) sell their best player this summer (Kagawa)

Essentially a vote for Klopp, is a vote for Wenger as their strategies are both the same.

2) Fundamentally you still don't get this top 2 issue do you? There is no way in a million years anyone could have predicted the growth of Chelsea and Man City when we embarked on the Emirates project. There just wasn't an example in European football that people really knew about at the time the project was planned and began to be implemented. Now these teams have affected Arsenal's results it's a simple and for you inconvenient truth.
Yes it's annoying and there's no doubt we haven't helped ourselves with some of the activity in the transfer market (and most importantly some of the contracts we have agreed with players)

Do I think FFP or the renegotiation of our commercial deals will have an effect? Yes, they definitely will. Will they have enough effect? Not sure..
Personally I am of the school of thought that says we should be speculating a little (short term losses of £20-£25 million for the next two years would not be disastrous if the commerical deals are worthwhile)

p.s. I voted "No" before you ask, or denounce my viewpoint in some condescending and rude manner that has become your staple diet since you joined.
Why? Quite simply Wenger will stay in 2 years if we want him to regardless of whether he signs/is offered a new contract now. He's not of the age where another club project would be that attractive to him, so as it stands we hold all the aces in this particular hand. And if we decide a change is needed in 2 years then we can do so

There is so much wrong with what you wrote it's laughable.

I'll address this in a simple manner.

1. Your laughable claim that 'a vote for Klopp is a vote for Wenger'
Wrong. Want to know a fundamental difference? Jurgen Klopp doesn't bitch about FFP, he wins. He doesn't moan about Bayern's ridiculous spending power that dwarfs his, nor does he complain that he has a wage bill on a par with Southampton. He gets on with it and wins.
A youth policy 'that takes decades to build'? Wow those time-scales with Arsene keep changing. How about a 'youth policy' that has seen all the best young players sold to the highest bidder, young players that are actually poached from other academies (Nasri/Marseille; Cesc/Barca; Flamini/Marseille, Clichy/Caen).
Sorry, you are talking nonsense. What is 'organic' about what Wenger does? I do not know of a single manager who tries to develop a youth policy by signing the likes of Giroud, Sol Campbell as a pensioner, Jens Lehmann as a pensioner etc.
There is nothing 'organic' about what Wenger does. What he does is pure and simple business, buy/sell.

'Youth policy' is a myth, a ficitious piece of nonsense made to legislate for his appalling management and lack of success.

Southampton have developed more players than Wenger himself over the past 8 years. FACT.

Oh and do you also know who realised Mario Goetze was kicking about in the Dortmund ressies and gave him his chance? That would be Jurgen Klopp. Sold Kagawa did he? True. But only after Kagawa had won Dortmund two league titles first, the way Ronaldo won Manure pots before Fergie sold him. Unlike Wenger who sells players at their peak, having won nothing for the club.
Oh and you also forgot to mention that unlike small-time Wenger; Klopp used the proceeds of the sale of Kagawa, and went out and signed one of the best young German players in Marco Reus.
Increase your knowledge please.

2. Bla bla bla Chelski and Citeh growth.
Wow. How on earth has Alex Ferguson been able to win all those league titles and European cups despite Chelski and Citeh money? Why is it that the only club bitching consistently about Chelski/Citeh cash is the very same club that makes it a fundamental matter of policy to sell all its best players to them!!!
And again, you are wrong. When planning permission for Ashburton had been approved, the club were fully aware of Abramovich.

In Roman's first year in England Arsenal still won the league. The club was then in an imperious position, whereby any player in Europe would have joined, the players were established and settled. There were significan advantages - and Wenger ballsed it all up with a vanity project. You all elevated him so much post-Invincibles that he thought he could do whatever he so wanted.

Chelski finished SIXTH last season. Why are you therefore moaning about their cash? It makes you look a little bit silly when Fergie's boys, where the Glazers have put the club into massive debt and they also spend nothing almost every summer net (balance the fees post Ronaldo sale)....compete with them.

You claim Citeh and Chelski have 'influenced Arsenal's results'

That is the most apologetic loser talk I have ever heard. Examples of the results Chelski and Citeh have affected:

- Losing 8-2 at OT
- Losing 3-2 at Swansea
- Conceding 49 goals
- Losing 4-0 at Milan
- Losing 3-2 at Wigan after being 2-0 up
- Failing to beat Liverpool at home in a title run-in despite taking a 98th minute lead
- Failing to beat Liverpool in the CL at Anfield despite scoring an 89th minute equalizer
- Drawing 4-4 with Newcastle after going 4-0 up.
- Losing at home to Wigan
- Wasting £24 million combined on Gervinho and Giroud even though everyone knows they're mediocre at best
- Getting a wage bill up to £130 million
- Selling a captain and best player to Man United.

Yes that's right. They have seriously affected our results
It just shows the loser Wenger mentality engrained within certain Arsenal fans whereby instead of looking at the multiple failures of management, it is always someone else's fault!

Your claim that 'there wasn't an example in football' of such largesse is again, nonsense.
Look at how much Thaksin Shinawatra spent when he took over Citeh and the wages paid to Benjani, Caicedo, Jo, Santa Cruz, they were blowing money - but they were spending it badly, so none of you moaned. Now that Mancini spends it properly, the bitching begins.

Final point from me: last season in France, PSG oversaw the biggest single spending spree in the history of French football. And yet....a wee team from Southern France called Montpellier, won the league title. How on earth did they manage that then? Why didn't their fans spend the whole year moaning about 'cannot compete' (whilst being declared the 4th richest club in the world )

L-A-U-G-H-A-B-L-E

Served.

1. Your laughable claim that 'a vote for Klopp is a vote for Wenger'
Wrong. Want to know a fundamental difference? Jurgen Klopp doesn't bitch about FFP, he wins. He doesn't moan about Bayern's ridiculous spending power that dwarfs his, nor does he complain that he has a wage bill on a par with Southampton. He gets on with it and wins.

As you well understood, I meant that Klopp's philosophies mirror Wenger's (and if not by indivdual, Dortmund's mirror Arsenal's)
You state that Klopp wins (and infer from that Wenger doesn't) - You blame AKB's for thinking Arsenal didn't exist pre-Wenger, but you are even more short sighted as in your "facts" you seem to think Arsenal didn't exist pre-2005. Wenger is a winner, because by definition, he has won so your statement here is simply untrue.
Germany has implemented it's own form of FFP for years. It is impossible for a petro-billionaire to buy a club in Germany and buy a title, due to the economic rules already in force. He doesn't need to "bitch" about FFP because it's already there.
Yes, you are right Bayern Munich are the dominant power in Germany which gives Klopp 1 major competitor with more buying power than him. Arsenal have 3 (and you could potentially argue 5-6). When Wenger just had Man Utd to compete against (pre-2005 if you can't remember) he didn't do a bad job did he?
And bar Bayern, pretty much everyone in Germany has a budget similar to Southampton so that's not exactly the best comparison either.

A youth policy 'that takes decades to build'? Wow those time-scales with Arsene keep changing. How about a 'youth policy' that has seen all the best young players sold to the highest bidder, young players that are actually poached from other academies (Nasri/Marseille; Cesc/Barca; Flamini/Marseille, Clichy/Caen).
Sorry, you are talking nonsense. What is 'organic' about what Wenger does? I do not know of a single manager who tries to develop a youth policy by signing the likes of Giroud, Sol Campbell as a pensioner, Jens Lehmann as a pensioner etc.
There is nothing 'organic' about what Wenger does. What he does is pure and simple business, buy/sell.

'Youth policy' is a myth, a ficitious piece of nonsense made to legislate for his appalling management and lack of success.

Southampton have developed more players than Wenger himself over the past 8 years. FACT.

Youth setup's do take time to establish themselves. One of the major reasons Liverpool had to go crazy overpaying for British talent is because they simply didn't have good enough academy talent coming through the ranks to meet FA guidelines. Our youth policy has proved multi-faceted, where it has developed players from scratch (Cole and Wilshere to name two, but there are ten's more that have come through but not quite been good enough e.g. Muamba); they have also bought in players who are close to the finished article (Cesc, Walcott) and also given a go to some potential late starters (Jenkinson).
Re Wenger bringing in the likes of Campbell and Lehmann, how does this differ really to prolonging the careers of Scholes and Giggs beyond a natural retirement date? It's bringing in some experience to boost a squad in some needed area's that's all.
The youth policy isn't a myth and I don't even think you believe that being a man of facts. Southampton it's true have produced some excellent players but Arsenal have produced just as many (remember Bale was shite until the spuds moved him to the wing; Walcott is rubbish according to a lot of posters on this site etc.) So Southampton's youth policy is really about on a par with 1 part of Arsenal's multi-faceted approach.

Oh and do you also know who realised Mario Goetze was kicking about in the Dortmund ressies and gave him his chance? That would be Jurgen Klopp. Sold Kagawa did he? True. But only after Kagawa had won Dortmund two league titles first, the way Ronaldo won Manure pots before Fergie sold him. Unlike Wenger who sells players at their peak, having won nothing for the club.

- Hmmm could have sworn Vieira won something at Arsenal after being rescued from Milan's "ressies". Also didn't that Henry lad do ok.
The recent history does show that some players have left Arsenal at their peak which has been disappointing, but there are more than enough counter examples to show that Wenger also sold players at exactly the right time (Petit; Henry; Vieira; Overmars; Bentley ) Once again I appreciate this was in some Arsenal version of the Old Testament (pre-2005 in your eyes) but nevertheless these examples are also real.

Oh and you also forgot to mention that unlike small-time Wenger; Klopp used the proceeds of the sale of Kagawa, and went out and signed one of the best young German players in Marco Reus.
Increase your knowledge please.

Weren't the funds from the Anelka sale used to buy Thierry Henry? Weren't the RvP funds used to buy Cazorla? I will never admit to having your knowledge of european football but whilst I admit to a lack of knowledge you need to remove the blinkers duck.

2. Bla bla bla Chelski and Citeh growth.
Wow. How on earth has Alex Ferguson been able to win all those league titles and European cups despite Chelski and Citeh money? Why is it that the only club bitching consistently about Chelski/Citeh cash is the very same club that makes it a fundamental matter of policy to sell all its best players to them!!!
And again, you are wrong. When planning permission for Ashburton had been approved, the club were fully aware of Abramovich.

Man Utd used two major factors to become as successful under Ferguson as they have done, firstly a successful youth policy that developed an unprecedented number of players within a couple of years of each other and by floating their club on the stock exchange (the proper one) at exactly the right time (there's hardly been one since that's really worked). This combination of events produced the basis on which Ferguson grew his dynasty. They have already done the organic growth pre-Chelsea and City - Arsenal are still doing their growing and are realistically about 5 years behind Utd still. Man Utd are also one of the key proponents of FFP (being part of what was the G14) so even if they haven't publically moaned it is fairly evident there's been some kicking of cats done behind the scene.

Abramovich bought Chelsea in 2003, Arsenal's final go ahead for Ashburton Grove was given in 2002, you could argue to project started around 1997 and was probably the basis for hiring Wenger (Abramovich only took over Sibneft in 2005, so whilst he was loaded, I doubt anyone knew he was going to pile his wealth into Chelsea FC even Roman himself - Actually you are incorrect on this occasion not me (although you are forgiven as this was also pre-2005)

In Roman's first year in England Arsenal still won the league. The club was then in an imperious position, whereby any player in Europe would have joined, the players were established and settled. There were significan advantages - and Wenger ballsed it all up with a vanity project. You all elevated him so much post-Invincibles that he thought he could do whatever he so wanted.

Yes Arsenal won the league in Abramovich's first year in charge (he only got 6 weeks to assemble a team) and much as Chelsea got it wrong in Year 1, so did Man City - both Club's second season wasn't too bad though, was it?
Why were top-European players joining Chelsea in the summer of 2004? Money Money Money. Players were not looking for the ideologies, they were looking for wallets stuffed full of cash. We didn't have it (as we'd started to build the Emirates, and Chelsea had it in abundance.

Chelski finished SIXTH last season. Why are you therefore moaning about their cash? It makes you look a little bit silly when Fergie's boys, where the Glazers have put the club into massive debt and they also spend nothing almost every summer net (balance the fees post Ronaldo sale)....compete with them.

Didn't Chelsea make a hasty appointment of the wrong manager at the beginning of last year which pretty much ended their season by Christmas? Seems like a good warning signal about making rash decisions and appointing less experienced managers based on 1-2 years of success (hmmm sounding familiar?)

You claim Citeh and Chelski have 'influenced Arsenal's results'

That is the most apologetic loser talk I have ever heard. Examples of the results Chelski and Citeh have affected:

- Losing 8-2 at OT
- Losing 3-2 at Swansea
- Conceding 49 goals
- Losing 4-0 at Milan
- Losing 3-2 at Wigan after being 2-0 up
- Failing to beat Liverpool at home in a title run-in despite taking a 98th minute lead
- Failing to beat Liverpool in the CL at Anfield despite scoring an 89th minute equalizer
- Drawing 4-4 with Newcastle after going 4-0 up.
- Losing at home to Wigan
- Wasting £24 million combined on Gervinho and Giroud even though everyone knows they're mediocre at best
- Getting a wage bill up to £130 million
- Selling a captain and best player to Man United.

Erm this is a list of results that City and United haven't affected so once again your statment isn't true. Also the last 3 "results" listed there aren't even results.
Your criticism of results stems from your original post where you discuss finishing outside of the top 2 (inferring you think being top 2 is a success). My point is that if you give Chelsea and Man City the same points on average they finished with pre their mass cash injections, we would have finished 2nd on more than 1 occasion. Therefore our "results" have been affected by Chelsea and Man City.

It just shows the loser Wenger mentality engrained within certain Arsenal fans whereby instead of looking at the multiple failures of management, it is always someone else's fault!

I haven't claimed Wenger is entirely without blame, in fact many of my posts in the recent month or two have stated clearly by issues with the wage bill and the wage structure that was supposedly in place (where no one player could earn less than half of the top-earning player) What I am proposing is that their are multiple reasons behind Wenger's recent "failure" not just bad management. My argument above has pointed out many truth's and have without a shadow of doubt contributed to a dire recent run of results. So again, not true it's just not a simple 1 problem solution. (remember I also stated that I wouldn't extend Wenger's contract)

Your claim that 'there wasn't an example in football' of such largesse is again, nonsense.
Look at how much Thaksin Shinawatra spent when he took over Citeh and the wages paid to Benjani, Caicedo, Jo, Santa Cruz, they were blowing money - but they were spending it badly, so none of you moaned. Now that Mancini spends it properly, the bitching begins.

A great example of why injecting mass-money into the club doesn't always work. You have provided a prime example of why organic growth should be more preferable than the sugar daddy approach - there are way more examples of failure than of success.

Final point from me: last season in France, PSG oversaw the biggest single spending spree in the history of French football. And yet....a wee team from Southern France called Montpellier, won the league title. How on earth did they manage that then? Why didn't their fans spend the whole year moaning about 'cannot compete' (whilst being declared the 4th richest club in the world )

Another example of why it doesn't seem to work in the first season. Who do you think will win the french division 1 this year? In PSG's second season? I know where my money would be going.

[Babatunde]

Arsene is not at fault.
I blame Citeh and Chelski.
FFP will solve the Syrian conflict and famine

[northbank123]

Can't be fucked reading the essay but surely that has to be the biggest WUM-related bites of all time?

[rudytel]

Can't be fucked reading the essay but surely that has to be the biggest WUM-related bites of all time?

Same here

[rudytel]

I'd thank Wenger for his services and kindly show him the exit and then get on the blower to David Moyes.

[northbank123]

I'd thank Wenger for his services and kindly show him the exit and then get on the blower to David Moyes.

Think Moyes is the last thing we need. Tactically limited, tends to be found wanting on big occasions, has done well on limited resources (NO MORE OF THAT PLEASE) but has also held Everton back by spending years signing one shit striker after another. I would want somebody more ambitious and tactically versatile (not to mention well-known and respected) than Moyes.

[1989]

New deal? I wouldn't give the f***er the time of day

This

[QuartzGooner]

Can't be reading the essay but surely that has to be the biggest WUM-related bites of all time?

Same here

I read it.

Richpye counters Babatunde very well.
Credit to Babatunde and Richpye, top class Forum discussion.