THE BOARD - Kroenke, Usmanov, Finances, AGM etc.

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USMANOV OR KRONKE?

USMANOV
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KRONKE
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NEITHER
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28%
 
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Herd
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It hasn't waned at all ,its ticking along as far as he is concerned ,he is in this for the long haul .

In the future fans may be let in for free to provide atmosphere !

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Cannot see individual tv deals being allowed anytime soon - to allow such a situation in England would've severely uncompetitive cos the mega deals for manure would leave the likes of Norwich, Fulham etc way way behind. This of course would have a huge knock on effect as it would create a Scottish league domination where there would only be a handful of clubs and yes I know you could argue that it is already that way but individual tv deals would bring it to a whole new level. In the long term such ruthless domination would see a big decline in interest in the game which in turn would reduce the value of these deals so the clubs would suffer and that is not forgetting the amount of lost revenue that clubs will suffer when fans start deciding to stay at home and watch games on tv rather than make the effort to travel to watch manure piss all over little Fulham again.

Correct me if I am wrong but in the nfl clubs/franchises are prevented from negotiating their own tv deals - in that league parity is king and surely kroenke can see the same rules in play in English football and wouldn't put his plans in place depending on the tv deals changing ? Seeing one league operate with free reign would not be a sound basis to plan your future for any half educated person ?

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Herd wrote:It hasn't waned at all ,its ticking along as far as he is concerned ,he is in this for the long haul .

In the future fans may be let in for free to provide atmosphere !
How can you say it hasn't waned..... without property sales and the selling off of our best players we would be running at a loss!
Their cannot be much left to sell, if Kroenke remains as the owner of the club we are fucking screwed! :cussing:

Kroenke out!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

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Spanish individual deals are gonna be abandoned in favour of returning to collective bargaining

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highburyJD wrote:Spanish individual deals are gonna be abandoned in favour of returning to collective bargaining

Proof,if further proof was needed, that individual tv deals donot work in football

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Kroenke out

we really ought to let him know in a big concentrated effort

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My guess is that Kroenke, IF he is in it for the long term, is looking at worldwide TV deals, not just the UK.
That includes things such as official internet sights for highlights during the week after the game, and in flight deals too.

Profits may go up or down but as long as we make a profit Kroenke will be happy.
I agree with Herd, we continue to be a club with a recognisable brand, a modern stadium close to both central London and the City, with good corporate hospitality and non-matchday facilities, and a modern training ground.
Yes, the property deals are almost all done, but commercial deals will increase, administrative staff cuts have been made, and if there is less transfer fee value in the players we sell on, we will simply spend less on those coming in.
We also will see a number of squad and on loan players off the wage bill over the next three seasons, which all helps the balance sheet.

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QuartzGooner wrote:My guess is that Kroenke, IF he is in it for the long term, is looking at worldwide TV deals, not just the UK.
That includes things such as official internet sights for highlights during the week after the game, and in flight deals too.

Profits may go up or down but as long as we make a profit Kroenke will be happy.
I agree with Herd, we continue to be a club with a recognisable brand, a modern stadium close to both central London and the City, with good corporate hospitality and non-matchday facilities, and a modern training ground.
Yes, the property deals are almost all done, but commercial deals will increase, administrative staff cuts have been made, and if there is less transfer fee value in the players we sell on, we will simply spend less on those coming in.
We also will see a number of squad and on loan players off the wage bill over the next three seasons, which all helps the balance sheet.
But there is only so far that can take you.

Sure, Arsenal are a recognisable brand with all the mod-cons to boot but if things stay as they are for perhaps another eight, ten years and by stay as they are I mean trophyless then that worldwide brand will ever decrease. Football is a results business and if we continue to stay away from the glories of winning things then our ''support' better known as the brand across the world will drop, fast. It will be about six or seven years before another Billionaire Arab prince wants to play football owner and buys a known but not great club and turns them into football giants and that will be someone else the Arsenal ''brand'' will have to compete with. If Kroenke really wants the Arsenal brand to become global, to pull off these ludicrous TV deals in the future then ON FIELD investment is MUST! Spend money, make money, double maybe even treble your money its all the same notion.

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I agree, we need to spend money because on-field results definitely impact on brand value, and of course for their own sake!

But a businessman like Kroenke, in my estimate, has an equation that balances investment against profit.
He thinks the best return on his investment, is for us to tick along in the top four ensuring Champions League qualification, but not spending the extra money to win the title, which in his view will not reap profits proportionate to the extra investment.

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Augie fella I never said the TV deals are imminent ,night take 5/10 years,meantime as far as he is concerned the club is doing OK financially.
He wont spend a nickle more than he feels he has to in order to keep the ever expanding revenue streams going !

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QuartzGooner wrote:I agree, we need to spend money because on-field results definitely impact on brand value, and of course for their own sake!

But a businessman like Kroenke, in my estimate, has an equation that balances investment against profit.
He thinks the best return on his investment, is for us to tick along in the top four ensuring Champions League qualification, but not spending the extra money to win the title, which in his view will not reap profits proportionate to the extra investment.
That is still more of a short term plan, though.

The way we are now, we're barely scraping in the top four, we still may not even make it there this season. Hypothetically- Taking into account other clubs around us who invest on on-field staff more than we do during the summer, say we buy three players others buy more, we probably will still struggle. (based on how I foresee the transfer window, not any fact in that opinion).

Without investing in players who, okay may not win the title but can get us comfortably in a top four place and perhaps even a cup or two is shoddy business. Kroenke's plan, pinning hopes on continual Champions League qualification is a rather bleak strategy imo.

To think that the ''We've had back to back Champions League qualification for x amount of years'' is our USP (unique selling point) now is embarrassing :roll: :oops: :banghead:

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the board must know CL only, in perpetuity, will not be enough...

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The expenditure required to make us a team genuinely capable of winning the PL would far outstrip the revenue it generated even if we actually won the thing.

What also riles me is people think we're complaining because he's not pumping HIS OWN money in. He's not willing for the club to spend money that's coming in from sponsors, TV and fans. He may be majority shareholder but it doesn't fucking make the club's money his own. And another point, it's the board who run the club and not the shareholders, and seeing as only holds one vote at board meetings why does that necessarily mean the others have to follow suit and bow to his wishes? Because they know what side their bread is buttered.

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northbank123 wrote:What also riles me is people think we're complaining because he's not pumping HIS OWN money in.
up till the new TV/shirt/sponsorship deals, extra spending would have been his money though...
signing up 6 players last season was relatively well timed
will hopefully mitigate against huge wage rises (even though Feo is marginally overpaid)

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Finances :yawn:

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