Oxlade-Chamberlain

[Nos89]

Lack of playing consistently in a regular position seems to be his current downfall.

[Sean]

We all know Wenger can't properly coach or develop young players and add to the fact Chamberlain's low football IQ, is it any surprise how shit he has become?

With the proper coaching he could be a very good player, but we won't get that until Wenger goes.

Well said. Totally agree.

[1989]

We all know Wenger can't properly coach or develop young players and add to the fact Chamberlain's low football IQ, is it any surprise how shit he has become?

With the proper coaching he could be a very good player, but we won't get that until Wenger goes.

That's a load of nonsense I'm afraid. Plenty of young players have improved and developed into top players under Wenger (to name but a few Henry, Vieira, Fabregas, JVP, Cashley, Wilshere, Coquelin, Bellerin).

The fact is Ox for one reason or another has not delivered on his initial promise. It could be due to the injuries he has sustained, or more likely that he wasn't all that talented in the first place and has been just another one in a long line of overrated English youngsters who let fame and money take their focus off football.

[Yankee_Gooner_Dandee]

Normally, I'd jump on the "its Wenger's fault" brigade, because most things usually are. I used to be an Ox fan, always wanted him in the team over certain other players who got the start in front of him. But I've come to realize that he is simply just not good enough. Has pace, and a good shot. But other than that, what does he bring to the table? Not good defensively, can't dribble, can't pass for shit, fairly brainless, doesn't work in the middle and is positionaly poor on the wings, leaving either Bellerin or Nacho alone defending 2 people.

Honestly, Gervinho was better...

[Kevaldo]

Unfortunately it's looking like Ox doesn't have the footballing intelligence. Having the ability is one thing, but knowing when to pass it short / long, when not risk a to dribble in a dangerous area etc, when to keep it simple and when to punish the opposition... compare this to Campbell who seems to understand what is required for the team. It's not a coincidence that so many goals have been conceded from Ox's lapses. His awareness is not up to scratch at the moment... If he doesn't improve in this area then he'll struggle to make it to the next level

[MrT]

We all know Wenger can't properly coach or develop young players and add to the fact Chamberlain's low football IQ, is it any surprise how shit he has become?

With the proper coaching he could be a very good player, but we won't get that until Wenger goes.

That's a load of nonsense I'm afraid. Plenty of young players have improved and developed into top players under Wenger (to name but a few Henry, Vieira, Fabregas, JVP, Cashley, Wilshere, Coquelin, Bellerin).

The fact is Ox for one reason or another has not delivered on his initial promise. It could be due to the injuries he has sustained, or more likely that he wasn't all that talented in the first place and has been just another one in a long line of overrated English youngsters who let fame and money take their focus off football.

You're cherry picking a few examples, how about all the youngsters signed over the years that amounted to fuck all? I'm sure that list is longer than the one you provided. I'll give Wenger some credit for Henry and Vieira but they already had high football intelligence and are a manager's dream to coach, but Coquelin and Bellerin are top players now? One was playing for Charlton not too long ago and was close to being sold before injuries made Wenger recall him out of desperation and the other can't defend and rarely beats his man unless it's a hit and run despite all the pace he has. Bellerin's reading of the game is poor but I put that down to the current coaching and his age. He will come good with the right manager. Wilshere can not be considered a top player until he isn't injured for 90% of a season.

[DB10GOONER]

Ox is a technically sound player; good range of passes, pace, good feet, decent shot. But he always seems to pick the wrong option or just not take responsibility and passes short sideways. People are saying he has no footballing intelligence and I'd accept that to a point but it's more than just that. The problem I think is his self belief is gone and his confidence is shattered for whatever reason, and THAT is where a top manager should step in and talk to him, get him back performing. Some players need a bollocking to get back on form, some need a father figure to put an arm around their shoulder. But the player has to take responsibility too - he's getting paid a fortune to do what most people dream of doing. The feeling sorry for himself thing is only acceptable for so long.

It's strange to see an obviously talented player playing so badly for so long and looking so miserable.

[Herd]

We all know Wenger can't properly coach or develop young players and add to the fact Chamberlain's low football IQ, is it any surprise how shit he has become?

With the proper coaching he could be a very good player, but we won't get that until Wenger goes.

That's a load of nonsense I'm afraid. Plenty of young players have improved and developed into top players under Wenger (to name but a few Henry, Vieira, Fabregas, JVP, Cashley, Wilshere, Coquelin, Bellerin).

The fact is Ox for one reason or another has not delivered on his initial promise. It could be due to the injuries he has sustained, or more likely that he wasn't all that talented in the first place and has been just another one in a long line of overrated English youngsters who let fame and money take their focus off football.

Henry was allready a world cup winner ,vierra a 21 year old regular in the french under 21's,fabregas had shined as a youth starsame for bellerin and Coquelin !
Only Cashley and Jack came from the system and Cashley was allready in it when wenger arrived ,JAck is one of the few players Arsenal has Produced a poor return for nearly 20 years !

[Nos89]

We all know Wenger can't properly coach or develop young players and add to the fact Chamberlain's low football IQ, is it any surprise how shit he has become?

With the proper coaching he could be a very good player, but we won't get that until Wenger goes.

That's a load of nonsense I'm afraid. Plenty of young players have improved and developed into top players under Wenger (to name but a few Henry, Vieira, Fabregas, JVP, Cashley, Wilshere, Coquelin, Bellerin).

The fact is Ox for one reason or another has not delivered on his initial promise. It could be due to the injuries he has sustained, or more likely that he wasn't all that talented in the first place and has been just another one in a long line of overrated English youngsters who let fame and money take their focus off football.

Henry was allready a world cup winner ,vierra a 21 year old regular in the french under 21's,fabregas had shined as a youth starsame for bellerin and Coquelin !
Only Cashley and Jack came from the system and Cashley was allready in it when wenger arrived ,JAck is one of the few players Arsenal has Produced a poor return for nearly 20 years !

I would say that between 2008-2012 all the young players improved under Wenger. We should not have been anywhere near the top 4 with a squad of players we had then, but Wenger managed them to do it. Players like Senderos, Djourou, Denilson, Eboue, Bendtner,Chamakh, Barndoor
etc...I'm sure I've missed a few.

Need to add Gibbs to that list of one. Him and Jack are the only homegrown players we have in our squad of 25.

[Herd]

Fair point we've done quite a bit of turd polishing !

The Ox though is a brainless fuckwit with a very bade attitude, hes got all the talent but I think we have ruined him mentally !

[DB10GOONER]

We all know Wenger can't properly coach or develop young players and add to the fact Chamberlain's low football IQ, is it any surprise how shit he has become?

With the proper coaching he could be a very good player, but we won't get that until Wenger goes.

That's a load of nonsense I'm afraid. Plenty of young players have improved and developed into top players under Wenger (to name but a few Henry, Vieira, Fabregas, JVP, Cashley, Wilshere, Coquelin, Bellerin).

The fact is Ox for one reason or another has not delivered on his initial promise. It could be due to the injuries he has sustained, or more likely that he wasn't all that talented in the first place and has been just another one in a long line of overrated English youngsters who let fame and money take their focus off football.

Henry was allready a world cup winner ,vierra a 21 year old regular in the french under 21's,fabregas had shined as a youth starsame for bellerin and Coquelin !
Only Cashley and Jack came from the system and Cashley was allready in it when wenger arrived ,JAck is one of the few players Arsenal has Produced a poor return for nearly 20 years !

I would say that between 2008-2012 all the young players improved under Wenger. We should not have been anywhere near the top 4 with a squad of players we had then, but Wenger managed them to do it. Players like Senderos, Djourou, Denilson, Eboue, Bendtner,Chamakh, Barndoor
etc...I'm sure I've missed a few.

Need to add Gibbs to that list of one. Him and Jack are the only homegrown players we have in our squad of 25.

Sorry, are you saying those players improved or just listing them as poor players? If it's that they improved then I cannot agree with that, mate. None of those players improved and Comedy Eboue and LegoHead Denilson in particular actually regressed terribly as players.

Gibbs? Gibbs is an awful player. The worst crosser of a ball in world football, extremely limited as a player, far too often caught out by overlapping wingers.

[1989]

We all know Wenger can't properly coach or develop young players and add to the fact Chamberlain's low football IQ, is it any surprise how shit he has become?

With the proper coaching he could be a very good player, but we won't get that until Wenger goes.

That's a load of nonsense I'm afraid. Plenty of young players have improved and developed into top players under Wenger (to name but a few Henry, Vieira, Fabregas, JVP, Cashley, Wilshere, Coquelin, Bellerin).

The fact is Ox for one reason or another has not delivered on his initial promise. It could be due to the injuries he has sustained, or more likely that he wasn't all that talented in the first place and has been just another one in a long line of overrated English youngsters who let fame and money take their focus off football.

You're cherry picking a few examples, how about all the youngsters signed over the years that amounted to fuck all? I'm sure that list is longer than the one you provided. I'll give Wenger some credit for Henry and Vieira but they already had high football intelligence and are a manager's dream to coach, but Coquelin and Bellerin are top players now? One was playing for Charlton not too long ago and was close to being sold before injuries made Wenger recall him out of desperation and the other can't defend and rarely beats his man unless it's a hit and run despite all the pace he has. Bellerin's reading of the game is poor but I put that down to the current coaching and his age. He will come good with the right manager. Wilshere can not be considered a top player until he isn't injured for 90% of a season.

What about Ramsey? Adebayor (before he turned lazy)? Song (from a non footballer to Barcelona)? Kolo? Anelka? Etc etc.

I'm no Wenger fan, but this is not something to bash him for. Ox's problems are self inflicted as far as I see.

[Herd]

Dont laugh DB 10 Eboue wants to come back !

[Blade]

No need to tackle him, he tackles himself.

[Nos89]

We all know Wenger can't properly coach or develop young players and add to the fact Chamberlain's low football IQ, is it any surprise how shit he has become?

With the proper coaching he could be a very good player, but we won't get that until Wenger goes.

That's a load of nonsense I'm afraid. Plenty of young players have improved and developed into top players under Wenger (to name but a few Henry, Vieira, Fabregas, JVP, Cashley, Wilshere, Coquelin, Bellerin).

The fact is Ox for one reason or another has not delivered on his initial promise. It could be due to the injuries he has sustained, or more likely that he wasn't all that talented in the first place and has been just another one in a long line of overrated English youngsters who let fame and money take their focus off football.

Henry was allready a world cup winner ,vierra a 21 year old regular in the french under 21's,fabregas had shined as a youth starsame for bellerin and Coquelin !
Only Cashley and Jack came from the system and Cashley was allready in it when wenger arrived ,JAck is one of the few players Arsenal has Produced a poor return for nearly 20 years !

I would say that between 2008-2012 all the young players improved under Wenger. We should not have been anywhere near the top 4 with a squad of players we had then, but Wenger managed them to do it. Players like Senderos, Djourou, Denilson, Eboue, Bendtner,Chamakh, Barndoor
etc...I'm sure I've missed a few.

Need to add Gibbs to that list of one. Him and Jack are the only homegrown players we have in our squad of 25.

Sorry, are you saying those players improved or just listing them as poor players? If it's that they improved then I cannot agree with that, mate. None of those players improved and Comedy Eboue and LegoHead Denilson in particular actually regressed terribly as players.

Gibbs? Gibbs is an awful player. The worst crosser of a ball in world football, extremely limited as a player, far too often caught out by overlapping wingers.

Listing them as poor players who overperformed to get us in the top 4. Wenger has to get credit for that at least. Because those players didn't have the quality to do it off their own backs.