WALCOTT - which position is best etc?

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supergeorgegraham wrote:If and it looks like when Walcott leaves I will come on here and remind the haters just how bloody good he is every time he scores a goal which will be often.
Without Walcott in the team we have lacked pace and direction.
Yes Walcott has taken a long time to develop but he is playing his best football now at the age of 23 so his best years are just coming up.
He had that Injury that really stopped his progress and an ever changing team around him but he is a very very good player. Arsenal receive even more money from Sky next season so I dont see the problem with the wage demand at all when we have Diaby, Rosicky on big money and never playing for years.


Not haters but people who question the value of such a deal and with good fcuking reason too.

MAYBE he will indeed go on to have a great career elsewhere and maybe it is wenger and his system that is holding the guy back but we can only go on what we see and he does not produce enough consistantly to earn that type of money imo. By the appearance of things neither the manager or formation will be changing anytime soon and he doesnt like playing in his current position so if it doesnt suit him then why keep him ?

So because we have other wasters on our payroll getting wages that they are not earning we should apply the same policy with all of our players ? :roll: The money we are getting from sky is irrelevent - nobody is suggesting that we cannot afford it but I am advocating using that money is a sensible way for a change as opposed to throwing it around like confetti.

I am going to say this for the last time and (hopefully) it will be my last post on the matter - I have no problem keeping him at a wage more reflective of his ability and performances but that for me is well short of 100k per week

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My view on this :

We need to keep him here the club has come an embarrsement with players not signing contracts and leaving .

Is he worth £100,000 P/W maybe not but he should not be far off and as a player he has improved this season and as our top scorer his wages should reflect that like most big teams in the premiership who forwards are more or less on £200,000 P/W .
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emotionally I really hope we can split the difference and get a deal done
reality is that Gazidis and Wenger are right to be unemotional about it

If we had only and extra £100k pw would people here rather we used it on Feo or Bac?

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augie wrote:
I am going to say this for the last time and (hopefully) it will be my last post on the matter - I have no problem keeping him at a wage more reflective of his ability and performances but that for me is well short of 100k per week
I'm still waiting to hear who these players are that we could sign to improve upon Walcott for less than that amount of money. Not a single name put forward so far.

So you are effectively doing a Wenger - let him go and fail to improve upon him

Not clever

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If Feo goes the replacements are from Ox, Ryo and Gnabry...

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highburyJD wrote:If Feo goes the replacements are from Ox, Ryo and Gnabry...

Ox not ready ,Ryo another Japanese shirt seller,Gnabry showed his class against Reading lol .

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SteveO 35 wrote:
augie wrote:
I am going to say this for the last time and (hopefully) it will be my last post on the matter - I have no problem keeping him at a wage more reflective of his ability and performances but that for me is well short of 100k per week
I'm still waiting to hear who these players are that we could sign to improve upon Walcott for less than that amount of money. Not a single name put forward so far.

So you are effectively doing a Wenger - let him go and fail to improve upon him

Not clever

I never suggested spending less money - what I continue to say is that we should use that money far more effectively than giving him 100k per week. If we had a proper manager or if I was in charge (one and the same really) I would go out and buy a top player that is available and use that 100k to go towards that players wages - yes that would cost a big transfer fee but we all know that money is there. If you want a name then I will suggest the same name as I have been saying for months.......david villa - I absolutely believe that he is available and would be happy to leave barca for the right club. Of course this is all pie in the sky unless we finally act like a big club and start purchasing top quality players but you asked me what I would do and that move is a no brainer for me.

Steve O we clearly are at opposite ends of the argument here but would you not accept that what you continue to say is that we should keep wally cos we wont replace the guy for the cost of his 100k per week contract ? I dont see you arguing that he is worthy of that deal so basically, if I am right, it is you that is doing a wenger by accepting 2nd best purely as a financial decision - hardly a ringing endorsement of the guy is it ?

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So do we all believe that when this extra money comes from Sky the players will not want it in their wage packets ??
Maybe 100,000 a week was a massive wage a year ago it will not be next season.
New deal was 2.5 Billion so plenty of extra cash coming from that alone.
Im sure the utter useless Ramsey will get some of the pie while Walcott will be getting his goal bonus from another club. GREAT

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augie wrote:
SteveO 35 wrote:
augie wrote:
I am going to say this for the last time and (hopefully) it will be my last post on the matter - I have no problem keeping him at a wage more reflective of his ability and performances but that for me is well short of 100k per week
I'm still waiting to hear who these players are that we could sign to improve upon Walcott for less than that amount of money. Not a single name put forward so far.

So you are effectively doing a Wenger - let him go and fail to improve upon him

Not clever

I never suggested spending less money - what I continue to say is that we should use that money far more effectively than giving him 100k per week. If we had a proper manager or if I was in charge (one and the same really) I would go out and buy a top player that is available and use that 100k to go towards that players wages - yes that would cost a big transfer fee but we all know that money is there. If you want a name then I will suggest the same name as I have been saying for months.......david villa - I absolutely believe that he is available and would be happy to leave barca for the right club. Of course this is all pie in the sky unless we finally act like a big club and start purchasing top quality players but you asked me what I would do and that move is a no brainer for me.

Steve O we clearly are at opposite ends of the argument here but would you not accept that what you continue to say is that we should keep wally cos we wont replace the guy for the cost of his 100k per week contract ? I dont see you arguing that he is worthy of that deal so basically, if I am right, it is you that is doing a wenger by accepting 2nd best purely as a financial decision - hardly a ringing endorsement of the guy is it ?
I think we need to try and move on from the 100k per week thing as if it's a big deal. Personally I think its bloody lunacy that any footballer earns that about. I think its a tragedy that a moron like Tevez earns double that and then refuses to come on to the pitch as a sub, and much as he's a good player I think Yaya Toure earning 200k+ per week is ridiculous too. The fact is that the going rate for an international player, playing in this country and regularly in the CL is somewhere in that region. Whether you and I think that's morally correct or not (any more than we think a nurse earning 20k is acceptable) is not the point. This is the market we operate in and we have a choice - do we pay the guy what other clubs will pay for a player of his talent or do we accept a substandard player on 50k per week.

David Villa is a fine footballer - but he will command substantially more in wages than 100k per week and the club will not pay that. FFS - we had one of the best players in world football in RvP and the club got to somewhere around 130k per week if we are to believe the rumours and we still couldn't do the deal because others pay more. If Villa's agent touted him around the big Milan clubs and City would come calling. He isn't in our league. Even Dzeko, who I also rate as a player is supposedly earning about 160k per week so unless City subsidised his wages he wouldn't be joining either

Walcott is a much better footballer than a couple of years ago. He'd never have made that cross on Saturday 2 years ago, his finishing has improved substantially and its reflected in his goal return. I still don't believe he's good enough to play as a lone striker in our gormless 4-5-1 formation but then again probably only half a dozen strikers in world football are. But if we switch to a formation that supports playing more than 1 striker he is certainly ahead of other players in our squad and a lot of others within our pay reach.

I didn't think that Bendtner, Denilson, Vela or Fabianski ever did enough to merit their 5 year deals on the money they were earning. The difference with Walcott is that he has shown a huge amount of progress in the past 12-18 months. Will he turn out to be a greedy twat that takes his foot off the pedal the minute the deal is done? Possibly. But IMO it's worth us keeping the guy and I would rather pay him 100k per week than sign a 17 year old or unproven talent like Zaha on half of the money

We'd all like to see a Benzema or Villa at Arsenal but that day isn't going to come any time soon

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In the long term losing him for nothing is more damaging.

Giving him a bumper pay deal is really no issue currently. He's at the right age and is a big name.

It makes no real financial sense in itself to not sign him for 100k

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I would like us to keep him, my fear is we're in a cycle of doubling most of our squads wages
we've hired the best commercial team that money can buy - and in 2014 they're going to do the business
and exponentially increase the money coming into the club,
which will make sod all difference beyond enriching the next three generations of our players families

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Btw our top scorer this season (walnut) has actually only scored 3 league goals and 1 champs league goal with the others coming in the reserve's cup (otherwise known as the capital one cup)

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Theo's goals (3) and assists (4) in the league this year have come from not many minutes on the pitch. He has improved considerably.

Like I have said before, 100k is inflated but that is due to Gazidis and others not doing their job properly and renegotiating 2 years ago. Being in the last 6 months of his contract moves the goalposts and makes him more expensive. The fact he is now worth 100k per week(and he is) is the fault of bad management.

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come on... bad management?? How?
One year ago Feo would have been offered no better than the same terms he was on
and why would he sign that?
Can't see for a second how it's bad management.
He has improved, but that was not a definite.

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I Think if Theo hadnt played for us and was at Chelski,city or anyone for example we'd be saying why cant we sign a player like him.from my time on here it seems that we all covet players at other clubs,as soon as they play for us we call them shit.when i talk to my friends who by the way none support Arsenal they all say they would love him at their club.face it Theo is turning into the player we knew he could be,without him this season we'd be lower down the league,out of the beer cup and facing oblivion,we need him right now

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