THE WENGER THREAD

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Re: WENGER - Views For and Against.

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Swifty wrote:Time to change the thread name - 'FOR' is no longer an arguable position.

Wanna bet ? There will still be people on here and many Gooners that dont post on here (including steve o's deluded dad :wink: ) whose support for le cock this morning will not have wavered one bit :roll: Yesterday's mauling (and it was a mauling in every aspect bar the scoreline) will have been down to injuries or the players letting the manager down or the fact that the earth is spinning off it's axis or some bullshit excuse like that - those cnuts are causing as much harm to our club as wenker himself and it is both disgraceful and embarrassing :oops: :evil:

I read 2 pieces from different journo's in this mornings daily express and both of them spoke about how martinez had outsmarted wenker tactically and one of them actually went so far as to cite wenker for sitting on his arse (my words not his :lol: ) for the whole second half and doing nothing to change things :roll: One of them also referred to the fact that the victims had used the same tactics last month and that wenker had learned nothing from that demolition either :oops: Both also suggested strongly that martinez should be high on our list of potential candidates to replace wenker should le cock ever fcuk off (again my words 8) )

I also watched wenker's post match interview on ssn last night and tbh he did look like a guy that had totally lost his way - he appeared to be struggling for words and the answers he gave appeared to be in volume like he was saying the words but not believing them. Of course he did make a cock of himself (again) by giving the standard smart arse answer suggesting that the guy asking the questions should become a manager himself if he wanted to know how these defeats feel :roll: :oops: It also should be noted how abruptly he ended the interview too

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augie wrote: Both also suggested strongly that martinez should be high on our list of potential candidates to replace wenker should le cock ever fcuk off (again my words 8) )
The problem, and will be the problem for player recruitment as well, is we will no longer have the champion's league appeal nor money. Why would Martinez, who will likely to the Toffees to europe, jump ship to a lower placed side.
I think both he and Everton will have developed a mutual admiration come the end of the season and i can't see him leaving for a few years - especially when we will not be in a position to attract talent.

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Only one thing left to say on this dark Monday morning.....

ONE ARSENE WENGER.....THERE'S ONLY ONE ARSENE WENGER

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Think there is a slight change in the media's reporting of Arsenal and Wenger, certainly in the print media..what amazes me , and as stated by others on this thread . is the easy ride Wenger has got from the media. They love to point out our many deficiencies but continually fail to connect them with the manager. The cliche about where the buck (or is it book ?) stops never applied to Wenger. I suppose Wenger has always been a mannerly and approachable manager for the media and maybe that is why he escapes more than other managers. As long as people read papers and have their opinions formed by them and by cliched ex pros then Wenger will have an easy ride. There are so many pro Wenger fans out there that it is unlikely that he will be forced to walk.

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NEWSFLASH: My old man actually said "I'm getting pissed off with this now". Didn't directly blame Wenger, but didn't defend him either. Perhaps the last worm is turning :D

54 days and counting

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SteveO 35 wrote:NEWSFLASH: My old man actually said "I'm getting pissed off with this now". Didn't directly blame Wenger, but didn't defend him either. Perhaps the last worm is turning :D

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OhmyGodOhmyGodOhmyGod the fucking endtimes are upon us!! :shock: :worried:

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Dont see how a quality manager would come to us us really. All hed have to do is scratch below the surface a little to see the mess that lay below.
The years and years of set in our ways apathy, failure and complancey that Wenger has encouraged to infest the club would soon show us as not the wonderful, well run, proper club that we like to think we are.

Im not just talking about the team but the medical staff, coaches, scouts. The whole club.

How could a manager come in and fix the shit that Wenger will have left behind? Shit that has been allowed to fester and permeate the entire club by lowering standards and expectations right down to the fans on the terraces who seem happy to pay some of the highest prices in world football for some of the most embarrassing performances..

Gonna take some doing to fix the malaise that Wenger will leave behind.

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Klopp will probably be leaving Dortmund soon, Bayern have German football wrapped up and Dortmund just don't have the money to compete. If Arsenal moved quickly we'd have a great chance of getting him but he'll probably end up at United and it will be a case of another one we 'almost' had! Martinez would be great at Arsenal I think but why would he leave Everton if they get 4th? He seems a pretty honourable guy? Bottom line is though, even if Wonga left, Kranky would ask him to appoint his successor and we'll end up with a useless overpaid nobody, just like a lot of the players we sign under Wonga. :roll:

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People accuse Wenger of never changing and being out of date. Only part true, he did change. He won multiple trophies playing quick football with pace in the forward areas to stretch teams and make space for players like Bergkamp to play in. He has now decided that a lumberjack like Giroud is enough to be our sole striking option? I think we did well post-theo injury to mask our complete lack of pace for as long as we did. But surely we can't rely on one player to provide all of our forward pace? That is just mismanagement on a colossal scale.

It is simply baffling that a man who is supposed to know so much about football can't see this. Even the Barcelona side he admired so much scored the majority of their goals by playing Messi/Pedro in behind. I don't think they're the answer yet but surely he needs to get Gnabry and/or Chamberlain out wide? I know alex had a nightmare at Chelsea but he should never have been thrown into central midfield in arguably the hardest away ground to go to in the country.

Think this will be his last season as Arsenal manager, one of our greatest managers of all time and a true legend but ultimately will fall on his own sword which is sad. Just didn't have the humility which kept Ferguson at the top for so long.

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armchair wrote:Dont see how a quality manager would come to us us really. All hed have to do is scratch below the surface a little to see the mess that lay below.
The years and years of set in our ways apathy, failure and complancey that Wenger has encouraged to infest the club would soon show us as not the wonderful, well run, proper club that we like to think we are.

Im not just talking about the team but the medical staff, coaches, scouts. The whole club.

How could a manager come in and fix the shit that Wenger will have left behind? Shit that has been allowed to fester and permeate the entire club by lowering standards and expectations right down to the fans on the terraces who seem happy to pay some of the highest prices in world football for some of the most embarrassing performances..

Gonna take some doing to fix the malaise that Wenger will leave behind.
Good points but then again, why wouldn't we attract top manager???? Think about it this way. Arsenal has financial background in top condition and most of all financial stability. Arsenal has board that doesn't interfere on managers job apparently and again stability there too. The board doesn't do panic decisions if something doesn't go as planned and doesn't kick the manager out but gives time. Arsenal has still quite strong brand and top facilities. Yes, other top clubs has also financial power and all that but maybe not that kind of stability that Arsenal can offer. Whether this is a good or bad thing is beyond me, at least in case of present wanker it's absolutely bad...

So all in all, all the basics are in top condition for the new manager to start building on. Of course, a lot of changes in the personnel and routines has to be made, but so what.

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I agree. Wenger was one of our best ever managers.
Unfortunately for us he is also one of our worst. Its very sad.

I think its very selfish and arrogant of him to continue stealing so many of our fans enjoyment of Arsenal and football in general while he persues his agenda and picks up millions :cry:

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TeeCee wrote:Klopp will probably be leaving Dortmund soon, Bayern have German football wrapped up and Dortmund just don't have the money to compete. If Arsenal moved quickly we'd have a great chance of getting him but he'll probably end up at United and it will be a case of another one we 'almost' had! Martinez would be great at Arsenal I think but why would he leave Everton if they get 4th? He seems a pretty honourable guy? Bottom line is though, even if Wonga left, Kranky would ask him to appoint his successor and we'll end up with a useless overpaid nobody, just like a lot of the players we sign under Wonga. :roll:
I think we could easily get Martinez, even if we miss out on fourth.

A) He's not an idiot and probably realises that Everton are not going to set Europe alight and maintain a league campaign at the same time. Especially if they lose their loan squad.

B) The opportunity to manage a club like Arsenal doesn't come around very often and any football manager surely knows that you've got to make it count while you're flavour of the month.

C) We'd pay him much more than Everton and he'd get the chance to live and work in London. I don't know, maybe his family is settled in northernland but that seems to be a draw for most.

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I don't think Wenger is going anywhere anytime soon. He's the perfect 'Yes Man' for the board.

Plus I think you'll win the FA Cup this season and that will buy Wenger even more time at the club. To be fair, an FA Cup win should guarantee any manager another season at least, it's still a big trophy IMO.

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Derek Acorah wrote:I don't think Wenger is going anywhere anytime soon. He's the perfect 'Yes Man' for the board.

Plus I think you'll win the FA Cup this season and that will buy Wenger even more time at the club. To be fair, an FA Cup win should guarantee any manager another season at least, it's still a big trophy IMO.
Sorry Derek but no, it shouldn't. We have been also-rans for nearly a decade and are served up shit-on-a-stick year after year only to be told it's caviar, while the cost of paying for some tickets would fill a Zimbabwean wheelbarrow.

Win the pot Arsene for Christ's sake, and then just go away for good.

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Derek is the only one being realistic though - Wenger will only leave if he feels like it.
he is under no pressure whatsoever otherwise.

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