THE BOARD - Kroenke, Usmanov and Finance

[highburyJD]

agree with Joe and Rosie
would like to see legislation guaranteeing part fan-ownership of football clubs

[donaldo]

won't happen,

we need to copy how Germany do it. Bayern Munich, Schalke & Dortmund are the way forward - producing world class home grown players, with few overseas stars add to the mix

The horse has bolted.The premiership is not going to change its rules to help Arsenal.The TV deal has gone through the roof even though there is hardly any competition to win the league.Whether this story is true or not our club needs new ownership with owners willing to bankroll the club to bring in the best managers and the best players to the club.Who wants to play for 4th place every year? We are now 24 points behind the team we sold our best player to.Wilshire will be next out the door
The shambles at our club cannot be allowed to carry on

[Dan_85]

1. Don't believe the rumour

2. Even if the rumour is true then I don't believe kroenke will sell

3. Not sure I would want quatar ownership either - this might be a slightly contentious statement to make but I don't believe that these people would view themselves as long term owners either. Tbh, even though I still advocate that we need 2 or 3 big high profile signings, I would not support a philosophy that see's a whole new team coming in overnight. We have a financial wage bill that if managed correctly would allow us to compete for the top quality players even now so we don't need huge money invested for that. In an ideal world we would employ a new top quality manager (no wenger lame fcuking duck recommendations need apply) and he would have 3 or 4 top quality signings given to him to kick start his reign. In each season after that the manager would be expected to work under the same conditions almost all managers do......spend club profits plus any income generated from player sales and allied with some good old fashioned coaching would be expected to make us competitive again. I am not crying out for citeeh or psg type overnight spending nor am I seeking the club to spend money that they can't afford and generate themselves so dispense of the Leeds and Pompey type scaremongering stories

This sums up my feelings too really. We don't necessarily need City style spending, by & large the money is there & available to make the 4/5 top quality signings we need, providing the accounts & wage bill are properly managed. What we need rather than Arabs rocking up is someone to come in with a bit of ambition to give the board a push to make us competitive on the field again.

Do these guys really care about Arsenal? Do they fuck. If they did, then their bid wouldn't be solely based on us achieving top 4. They see it as an investment to make money, if we finish outside top 4 then of course they're gonna make less money hence they aren't interested. They're looking out only for themselves, with a few sweeteners about lowering ticket prices, bringing back the North Bank (how exactly?!) etc to win over fans...

I would love to see a German style fan/club ownership model but it's never gonna happen. English football is going to hell in a handcart & I reckon within the next decade pretty much all clubs are gonna be the plaything of some billionaire. Either join em or get left behind, sadly.

[nut flush gooner]

Breaking news on SSN, Arsenal deny any takeover approach.

For me anyone who is whinging about the arabs possible taking over and is also whinging about wenger cannot complain.

[northbank123]

agree with Joe and Rosie
would like to see legislation guaranteeing part fan-ownership of football clubs

Nice idea in theory but how would this be implemented - I know this doesn't necessarily mean 50% but given that United have been valued at over £2bn recently by Forbes any sizeable portion of this will be astronomically expensive.

[Soul of mischief]

The whole thing is complete rubbish. Firstly with all the suggestions they've made 'lower ticket prices , recreating the North Bank Highbury etc' they're trying to make themselves appear as fans. So if we assume they're fans then they would buy Arsenal whatever happens right. This then completely clashes with the idea that if we don't finish top 4 they won't buy. If they were fans they would still do it because us finishing outside of the top 4 doesn't mean we're going to get relegated this season, and surely they would want Arsenal regardless of what happened. Also if they were in it for profit, they would in fact want us to drop outside this year. Our share price would fall and they could then bid cheaper.

[1989]

What the "source" claimed was that the valuation of the shares will decrease if the club doesn't finish top 4 therefore Kroenke would be best advised to sell up now because he may never receive a bid of that magnitude again.

[Soul of mischief]

What the "source" claimed was that the valuation of the shares will decrease if the club doesn't finish top 4 therefore Kroenke would be best advised to sell up now because he may never receive a bid of that magnitude again.

My apologies, I think you're right. But I'm questioning the sincerity of the bid when they claim they won't be interested if Arsenal decline a bit, ie fall a few places. Now I know we're all pissed off with how the last few years have gone. We should be higher than where we are, or at least fighting for the title if not winning it (and that is down to stubborn and inflexible management), but we're not a dying a club.

[hartygooner]

What the "source" claimed was that the valuation of the shares will decrease if the club doesn't finish top 4 therefore Kroenke would be best advised to sell up now because he may never receive a bid of that magnitude again.

My apologies, I think you're right. But I'm questioning the sincerity of the bid when they claim they won't be interested if Arsenal decline a bit, ie fall a few places. Now I know we're all pissed off with how the last few years have gone. We should be higher than where we are, or at least fighting for the title if not winning it (and that is down to stubborn and inflexible management), but we're not a dying a club.

If they came out and said they would buy no matter the clubs position then they would loose barganing power. Its a big carrot dangling infront of the invisible wiggy one as he can see the clubs on the slide and this will be the biggest payout he can get. They are giving it the now or never scenario to him? Or maybe I am seeing it wrong to, its still very early days. The club has said that it hasnt been approached in any way at the moment and Kronke is still in it for the long run, but then again he is bound to say he isnt interested in selling as that boosts his barganing power also.

I just hope its genuine and he accepts.

[augie]

agree with Joe and Rosie
would like to see legislation guaranteeing part fan-ownership of football clubs

Can we please cease with the German structure of ownership ideal ? Isn't gonna happen......ever !! Football as an industry doesn't give two fcuks about the fans and ownership issue's is only the tip of a self serving iceberg

[nut flush gooner]

agree with Joe and Rosie
would like to see legislation guaranteeing part fan-ownership of football clubs

Can we please cease with the German structure of ownership ideal ? Isn't gonna happen......ever !! Football as an industry doesn't give two fcuks about the fans and ownership issue's is only the tip of a self serving iceberg

Exactly why do some gooners live in a football utopia that existed 20 years ago. The club isn't ours, it belongs to whoever will stump up the most cash. Quite frankly if that's what it takes to compete, I would rather have the arabs than kroenke any day.

This wouldn't mean that we spend silly money in the transfer market, it just means wenger would get the players he targets and doesn't lose a big player every summer.

I said this before and I say it again, if you want wenger out you should also want kroenke out because he is just as responsible for our predicament as wenger.

[augie]

agree with Joe and Rosie
would like to see legislation guaranteeing part fan-ownership of football clubs

Can we please cease with the German structure of ownership ideal ? Isn't gonna happen......ever !! Football as an industry doesn't give two fcuks about the fans and ownership issue's is only the tip of a self serving iceberg

Exactly why do some gooners live in a football utopia that existed 20 years ago. The club isn't ours, it belongs to whoever will stump up the most cash. Quite frankly if that's what it takes to compete, I would rather have the arabs than kroenke any day.

This wouldn't mean that we spend silly money in the transfer market, it just means wenger would get the players he targets and doesn't lose a big player every summer.

I said this before and I say it again, if you want wenger out you should also want kroenke out because he is just as responsible for our predicament as wenger.

Not as culpable - tactics, player recruitment, contract extensions and player motivation is all down to wenger and wenger alone

[Tomáš]

Hi,
German Kicker has a report out http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/intl ... senal.html that a group of Katar and Emirates Investors are going to take over the club from Kroenke and is willing to pay 1.7 Billion Euros.
The Club is denying the existens of the offer.
How serious is this?

Cheers,
Thomas

[Brady's left peg]

agree with Joe and Rosie
would like to see legislation guaranteeing part fan-ownership of football clubs

Can we please cease with the German structure of ownership ideal ? Isn't gonna happen......ever !! Football as an industry doesn't give two fcuks about the fans and ownership issue's is only the tip of a self serving iceberg

Exactly why do some gooners live in a football utopia that existed 20 years ago. The club isn't ours, it belongs to whoever will stump up the most cash. Quite frankly if that's what it takes to compete, I would rather have the arabs than kroenke any day.

This wouldn't mean that we spend silly money in the transfer market, it just means wenger would get the players he targets and doesn't lose a big player every summer.

I said this before and I say it again, if you want wenger out you should also want kroenke out because he is just as responsible for our predicament as wenger.

Not as culpable - tactics, player recruitment, contract extensions and player motivation is all down to wenger and wenger alone

Agree with you re Wenker Augie but Kroenke has to go too...... Could you trust the silent one or his lapdog ceo to appoint the sort of manager we want or need? I can answer that for you....NO!

Kroenke out!

[nut flush gooner]

agree with Joe and Rosie
would like to see legislation guaranteeing part fan-ownership of football clubs

Can we please cease with the German structure of ownership ideal ? Isn't gonna happen......ever !! Football as an industry doesn't give two fcuks about the fans and ownership issue's is only the tip of a self serving iceberg

Exactly why do some gooners live in a football utopia that existed 20 years ago. The club isn't ours, it belongs to whoever will stump up the most cash. Quite frankly if that's what it takes to compete, I would rather have the arabs than kroenke any day.

This wouldn't mean that we spend silly money in the transfer market, it just means wenger would get the players he targets and doesn't lose a big player every summer.

I said this before and I say it again, if you want wenger out you should also want kroenke out because he is just as responsible for our predicament as wenger.

Not as culpable - tactics, player recruitment, contract extensions and player motivation is all down to wenger and wenger alone

Do me a favour, do you think wenger decides how much money we spend each summer? Its all PR bollocks, kroenke is milking the club. If he doesn't want to put his money where his mouth is he should go, bring on the arabs.