As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
highburyJD wrote:agree with Joe and Rosie
would like to see legislation guaranteeing part fan-ownership of football clubs
Can we please cease with the German structure of ownership ideal ? Isn't gonna happen......ever !! Football as an industry doesn't give two fcuks about the fans and ownership issue's is only the tip of a self serving iceberg
Exactly why do some gooners live in a football utopia that existed 20 years ago. The club isn't ours, it belongs to whoever will stump up the most cash. Quite frankly if that's what it takes to compete, I would rather have the arabs than kroenke any day.
This wouldn't mean that we spend silly money in the transfer market, it just means wenger would get the players he targets and doesn't lose a big player every summer.
I said this before and I say it again, if you want wenger out you should also want kroenke out because he is just as responsible for our predicament as wenger.
Not as culpable - tactics, player recruitment, contract extensions and player motivation is all down to wenger and wenger alone
Do me a favour, do you think wenger decides how much money we spend each summer? Its all PR bollocks, kroenke is milking the club. If he doesn't want to put his money where his mouth is he should go, bring on the arabs.
Yes, he absolutely does - if a player isn't available for his knock down valuation - ie Swarchzer, Reina, he does not go above his valuation and so some 2/3 years on we still have no experienced keeper
It is also Wenker who signs players who are clearly not good enough, hoping to polish them into gems and get all the credit for their development.
It is also Wenker who hands out stupid wages to squad players and contract extentions to under achievers meaning the likes of Bendtner, Denilson, Vela, Chamack are still costing us huge money that could be better spent on decent players, while not contributing a damn thing to the cause.
How long did we have to suffer Eboue ?? How many points did Almunia costs us ?? Who else thinks Bendtner / Ramsey are right wingers ??
this will be quite clearly the best thing that could ever happen to arsenal. hope it dont take too long though. but a bit upset about how highly they regard wenger. they need to clear this pathetic excuse of human scum who has been the worst thing to ever happen to us immediatly, wenger has absolutly nothing for the club and to pre emt those fools that may point to the trophys in the early years, unfortunatly no trophy in 8 years loosing 8-2 to mancs and most of all loosing today makes those early trophs null and void. first thinv the new manager next seaso has to do is buy fellani, suarez, bains....and bale who is clearly better than walcott, ox and i also have to say pires. without the money being spent it is going to be a bottom half finnish, but with the money it will officially make us the worlds biggest team, so PLEASE mr arab sheikh rescue us NOW!!
Analysis - David Ornstein - BBC Sport The experts I have spoken to (who were involved in many of the Premier League takeovers of the last decade) say they are not inclined to believe the reports. Serious Middle East groups do not usually behave like this and certainly don't advertise what they are planning. And there is no detail in the reports that is not on public record apart from the valuation, which is way over the top for Arsenal - especially if they fail to qualify for next season's Champions League.
Kroenke, though, remains engaged in club policy and central to it, attending board meetings and speaking regularly on the phone to Wenger and the chief executive, Ivan Gazidis
It must be like one of those pervy phone calls........ just a load of heavy breathing because the *word censored* won't say a fucking word!!
dPmunky wrote:IF this story is true. Do we really want to be "buying" trophies like city and chelsea?
hell yeah we do!!im sick of us winning fuck all trying to do things the right way,the big experiment has failed miserably ,we need to jump on the bandwagon and splash the cash to overhaul the squad and put us back where we belong.i think long term though id still like us to be a bit conservative,a decent manager who knows who he wants to buy and buys just those(a bit like fergie)id hate a mancini type,like a kid in a fucking sweet shop, but as a quick fix it would be ideal and quick fix could lead us back to long term glory again.Arsenal were always an innovative club,sadly we've stood still the past 8 years on the pitch,we need to be dynamic and keep up with the jones's,we must be the only club with a billionaire owner who spends fuck all,lets have billionaire owners who blow some cash,if qpr can do it why the fuck cant we,afterall we are Arsenal ffs!!
Whatever happens , with whoever, whenever , wherever, will everyone please remember DD is 69 years old.
Even if he was offered some form of consultancy role in a dream transition period, he is not the future of our club.
What I do know is that Red & White are not bothered anymore about buying any more shares, which confirms they have got their 30% and the only shareholder left to buy from is Stan, all others are now irrelevant.
georgeknows89 wrote:David Barry Dein -born 7 September 1943
Whatever happens , with whoever, whenever , wherever, will everyone please remember DD is 69 years old.
Even if he was offered some form of consultancy role in a dream transition period, he is not the future of our club.
What I do know is that Red & White are not bothered anymore about buying any more shares, which confirms they have got their 30% and the only shareholder left to buy from is Stan, all others are now irrelevant.
DD, at his age, wouldnt be the right guy to replace gazidas (if we can get rid of the smary pr**k )
DD, at his age, would be absolutely perfect for the role of Chairman should we ever get shot of the c**ts in the boardroom He knows football inside out, is a proper Arsenal man and is well respected throughout football
Btw if usmanov has decided to stick on 30% then he is no better than kroenke.......happy to sit on the gravy train doing fcuk all whilst the boat is sinking around them
as much as Le Quatrieme (French for 4th place) must go, isn't the problem really Stan?
I lived a couple years in Denver, and went to watch his basketball and hockey teams. Arena was largely full, great time, great entertainment was had by all, win or lose. Then, the Americans leave, get into the traffic jam, and go to work the next day, having had been entertained for a few hours. They do not live or die for the success of their team.
So, as long as the stadium if full(ish), they hit the CL each year, Stan will think he is a success in providing good entertainment to London. After all, London is a huge 'market', if people want not to go, there are 5 others to take their place, so financial success is almost guaranteed. He has an American perspective, not a die hard fan.
Le Quatrieme will be there as long as Stan owns the Gunners. Damn
Maybe partially but the vast majority of the blame lies at le cock's door - I dont know of a top quality, success hungry manager, that would sit quietly if they felt that their hands were being tied by the owner so I would venture to suggest that wenker himself is happy to ride this lucrative no pressure gravy train. The slimy yank cant be blamed for wenker's tactics and nor can he be blamed for his "lets buy all the lightweight centre midfielders in the world" policy Kroenke cant be blamed for his laughable 70th minute substitutions policy either
In summation, kroenke is a money motivated man in all of his sports "franchises" and success on the field is a very distant second, but the manager has no drive or clue how to make the club successful anywhere except on the balance sheet
While I agree that Stan's laissez faire attitude towards on field success is a problem that contributes to the current malaise that grips the club, he most certainly not is the problem.
If you want to know what the problem is there's 1219 pages devoted to it a couple of threads above this
rodders999 wrote:While I agree that Stan's laissez faire attitude towards on field success is a problem that contributes to the current malaise that grips the club, he most certainly not is the problem.
If you want to know what the problem is there's 1219 pages devoted to it a couple of threads above this
Kinda wondering how long before the mods shut this down for it being another anti wenker thread
He knows football inside out, is a proper Arsenal man and is well respected throughout football
