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Re: EU referendum - What will you vote?
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:31 pm
by Chippy
A11M11 wrote:In 2015, UK farmers received almost €3.1bn (£2.4bn) in direct payments, according to the NFU.
Farmers have access to the €5.2bn (£4bn) pot of funding that has been allocated to the UK for rural development projects over the period 2014-2020, including €2.3bn that has been transferred from the BPS to the UK rural development programmes.
At worse even if both payments were made together that would be £ 6.4 billion.
Farming minister Mr Eustice told the NFU conference that leaving would create an £18bn a year “Brexit dividend”. This could be used to continue payments to farmers through an improved scheme.
So 18 minus 6.4 = 11.6 . billion to be divvied up and spent elsewhere.
Figures from the N.F.U.
So where is the £350m (£18.2bn pa) a week for the NHS? Eustice was lying by the way.
Re: EU referendum - What will you vote?
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:09 pm
by A11M11
Eustice was lying by the way.
Yeah right ,his figures wrong ? , surely if he was going to lie he would over egg the pudding to try and get more money for his members not less . And if he did over exaggerate that means there's even more cash to divvy out.
Re: EU referendum - What will you vote?
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:28 pm
by Rosie_titters
Re: EU referendum - What will you vote?
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:54 pm
by Rugby Gooner
Brexit isn't going to happen mate. The politicians with their snouts in the trough, the establishment,and all the others with a vested interest in the E.U. didn't get the result that they wanted/expected in the referendum, so democracy can go fuck itself.
Re: EU referendum - What will you vote?
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:03 pm
by Red Snapper
Chippy wrote:A11M11 wrote:In 2015, UK farmers received almost €3.1bn (£2.4bn) in direct payments, according to the NFU.
Farmers have access to the €5.2bn (£4bn) pot of funding that has been allocated to the UK for rural development projects over the period 2014-2020, including €2.3bn that has been transferred from the BPS to the UK rural development programmes.
At worse even if both payments were made together that would be £ 6.4 billion.
Farming minister Mr Eustice told the NFU conference that leaving would create an £18bn a year “Brexit dividend”. This could be used to continue payments to farmers through an improved scheme.
So 18 minus 6.4 = 11.6 . billion to be divvied up and spent elsewhere.
Figures from the N.F.U.
So where is the £350m (£18.2bn pa) a week for the NHS?
Eustice was lying by the way.[/quote]
It really isn't a debate just to say someone you disagree with is lying without even one word to back your assertion up. Come on; you're better than that.
Re: EU referendum - What will you vote?
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 8:32 pm
by Chippy
Eustice was lying by the way.
Yeah right ,his figures wrong ? , surely if he was going to lie he would over egg the pudding to try and get more money for his members not less . And if he did over exaggerate that means there's even more cash to divvy out.
Chippy wrote:
A11M11 wrote:
In 2015, UK farmers received almost €3.1bn (£2.4bn) in direct payments, according to the NFU.
Farmers have access to the €5.2bn (£4bn) pot of funding that has been allocated to the UK for rural development projects over the period 2014-2020, including €2.3bn that has been transferred from the BPS to the UK rural development programmes.
At worse even if both payments were made together that would be £ 6.4 billion.
Farming minister Mr Eustice told the NFU conference that leaving would create an £18bn a year “Brexit dividend”. This could be used to continue payments to farmers through an improved scheme.
So 18 minus 6.4 = 11.6 . billion to be divvied up and spent elsewhere.
Figures from the N.F.U.
So where is the £350m (£18.2bn pa) a week for the NHS? Eustice was lying by the way.
It really isn't a debate just to say someone you disagree with is lying without even one word to back your assertion up. Come on; you're better than that. [/quote]
Honestly I didn't think I had to debunk the £350m per week as I thought even the brexiteers had admitted it was a complete lie but any way,
https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-memb ... 5-million/
Eustice is a minister of the government and is under an obligation not to lie. ROFL. He is not an NFU representative. The above quoting is shit, but it is clear that there is no £350m, Brexit lied and what there is is going to farmers not the NHS. Brexit lied.
Re: EU referendum - What will you vote?
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 8:33 pm
by Chippy
Rugby Gooner wrote:
Brexit isn't going to happen mate. The politicians with their snouts in the trough, the establishment,and all the others with a vested interest in the E.U. didn't get the result that they wanted/expected in the referendum, so democracy can go fuck itself.
We haven't had a democratically elected government in this country since 1955.
Re: EU referendum - What will you vote?
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:50 pm
by northbank123
Chippy wrote:Rugby Gooner wrote:
Brexit isn't going to happen mate. The politicians with their snouts in the trough, the establishment,and all the others with a vested interest in the E.U. didn't get the result that they wanted/expected in the referendum, so democracy can go fuck itself.
We haven't had a democratically elected government in this country since 1955.
Despite the fact that people voted massively against PR?
Re: EU referendum - What will you vote?
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 11:14 am
by Rugby Gooner
Chippy wrote:Rugby Gooner wrote:
Brexit isn't going to happen mate. The politicians with their snouts in the trough, the establishment,and all the others with a vested interest in the E.U. didn't get the result that they wanted/expected in the referendum, so democracy can go fuck itself.
We haven't had a democratically elected government in this country since 1955.
So the moral of the story is, DON'T BOTHER VOTING!, it's just bullshit.
Re: EU referendum - What will you vote?
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:12 pm
by DB10GOONER
northbank123 wrote:Chippy wrote:Rugby Gooner wrote:
Brexit isn't going to happen mate. The politicians with their snouts in the trough, the establishment,and all the others with a vested interest in the E.U. didn't get the result that they wanted/expected in the referendum, so democracy can go fuck itself.
We haven't had a democratically elected government in this country since 1955.
Despite the fact that people voted massively against PR?
We have PR here in Oireland and it is not the flawless system some would try and have you believe. It can lead to extremist parties and idiot crackpot parties getting a foothold on power. It also often leads to useless, weak and indecisive coalition governments getting elected - something Oireland has a long history of. The knock on effect of PR putting coalition governments into power so often is things like improvements to public services are often almost impossible to implement under such weak coalition governments.
I read somewhere that If the last UK general election had been held under a PR system, UKIP would have been the third-largest party in your parliament, with 83 seats instead of 1.
Could you imagine Adolf Farage having power like that?
Re: EU referendum - What will you vote?
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:42 pm
by A11M11
If you mean that since the 50's more voters have cast their vote against the party with the majority of seats then you are right. However that is not the way our democracy works . Effectively since the second world war we have only had 2 votes that have had clear majorities . The first was the join the EEC trading agreement and the second leave the E.U political block. If you took the political rule from Brussels and Strasbourg out of the equation and went back to pure trade the vote would probably have been the other way. The silent majority of Brexit voters did not want the European super state or army that is on the cards ,it's the more vocal that get drawn into the immigration debate often by those that wish to make political capital from them.
Re: EU referendum - What will you vote?
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 10:57 pm
by Chippy
northbank123 wrote:Chippy wrote:Rugby Gooner wrote:
Brexit isn't going to happen mate. The politicians with their snouts in the trough, the establishment,and all the others with a vested interest in the E.U. didn't get the result that they wanted/expected in the referendum, so democracy can go fuck itself.
We haven't had a democratically elected government in this country since 1955.
Despite the fact that people voted massively against PR?
Strange isn't it? Almost like people have no clue what they are voting for. And yes I do know the shit that is coming my way.
Re: EU referendum - What will you vote?
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:58 pm
by northbank123
Not sure I agree with that - it's a fairy basic and fundamental distinction. The reality is that at General Elections 65+% of people vote Labour or Conservative. FPTP benefits those parties.
Would be interesting to see how PR would work for UK but I think in the short to medium term it would be very difficult. Our political system is used to a majority government and the adversarial nature is probably far more of a barrier to effective coalition governing than countries that have traditionally operated by coalition government.
Re: EU referendum - What will you vote?
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:18 pm
by Chippy
northbank123 wrote:Not sure I agree with that - it's a fairy basic and fundamental distinction. The reality is that at General Elections 65+% of people vote Labour or Conservative. FPTP benefits those parties.
Would be interesting to see how PR would work for UK but I think in the short to medium term it would be very difficult. Our political system is used to a majority government and the adversarial nature is probably far more of a barrier to effective coalition governing than countries that have traditionally operated by coalition government.
So let's continue with a system that isn't fair and doesn't work just because the alternative might be slightly difficult. Believe the "complexity" of going to a PR system is as nothing compared to Brexit.
Re: EU referendum - What will you vote?
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:26 am
by the playing mantis
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general ... er-up.html
but people dont know what their voting for, right?!
those who haven't got what they want should really just accept it rather than constantly whine about it.
when boundary changes occur we will never have another Labour government ever!
woohoo. like it or not england is right to moderatley right wing, and the majority are not left leaning or centrist and never has been and never will be, as much as hand wringing, toynbeesque, guardinistas think it is/are.
these people live in a sneering, 'my farts don't smell' bubble, where they think they know best and everyone who disagrees with them is thick and or racist and or bigoted.
