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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM

Yet another excuse for these fanatics to try (by any means necessary - ie: Violence, Fear and Subjugation) to impose their beliefs on others - even those in other countries....

What a load of bollocks....Killing someone over THIS!!! - It leaves one speechless.....remember LIfe Of Brian!...They want to impose sharia law worldwide - .....I reckon if there is a Third World War it will be over something silly like this.....

I have no problem with someone having their beliefs etc....as long as they don't try to impose them on others - It's bad enough when the Jehovah's Witnesses come banging on the door - every other week - till in the end you have to get in their faces and tell em to 'Fuck the Fuck Off!' - of course they then see That as a challenge... (Personally I have no time for established religions - imo they were invented/formed/fabricated just there to keep the masses in their place - have power over them etc)...If a person wants to speak to their god/maker/divine being - then there doesn't need to be an intermediary - and if IF there is a God - an all encompassing divine entity - that created/creates all thing s- then I don't see that entity getting bent out of shape over a cartoon/film whatever....the thing is when the Bible, Qu'ran were written the stories within them were written metaphorically, as examples of how people should lead their lives - I mean Jesus Christ didn't actually walk on water, or turn water into wine...

If there is a 'god' and I want to pray - I don't need to go to a church/mosque/synagogue etc - I can do it where ever I am... the times I've said a little prayer to the football dieties - and sometimes it's worked!

Also the bottom line for me is, if IF there is a Divine Entity (what the established religions refer to as 'God' ) then surely there is only one god not three or four - depending on where someone is born, and to what parentage etc...

What irks me is that these established relgions always refer to their 'God' in the Masculine - All things are born of woman...so if - IF their is a 'GHod' - then surely that 'God' would be Female!

What is 'not yet' supposed to mean? Surely thats just a 'no'

Personally I don't believe in any kind of god. The problem with Islam is that muslim countries are barely out of the 18th century when it comes to attitudes to religious belief but through the internet and global media we've connected these people with 21st century secularism. Go back 200 years and Christian Europe was no different.

The problem with religions is proselytism. If several religions have it as a pillar of their practice that you have to go out and convert everybody else to your way of thinking then is it a surprise that religion has been responsible for the death of so many people throughout ancient and modern history?

I do believe in G-D, but his/her ways are too complicated for me to fathom out lots about him/her.
Even a lifetime's study of spiritual texts would only scratch the surface.

Prayer can be done anywhere.

Golden Rule is: Treat others how you want them to treat you.
Leviticus 19:18

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule


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As for the film; is a ridiculous film with shoddy production values.
Whoever made it is stupid; this film is just like putting a stick into a fanatical hornet's nest.

We all have enough to worry about with the Iran/Israel/USA situation without the need for further provocation.

I'm catholic and have my beliefs but i am not a church goer, i believe in some of the things the catholic church preach and other things they preach i dont agree with.....

flash gunner wrote:I'm catholic and have my beliefs but i am not a church goer, i believe in some of the things the catholic church preach and other things they preach i dont agree with.....

Me too.

Also believe anyone that kills another person over religion is nothing but a Kúntwad. Religion should be there to guide you spiritually, to help you be a better person. NOT to make you a murderous vindictive fucking arsehole.

Good point above about where Islam could be perceived to be in the greater time scale of things. It is roughly on a level with where Christianity was during the Inquisition and Empire expansions into the New World. A certain level of violent intolerance. Of course that is not saying ALL Muslims are like that. Most are tolerant of other faiths. The crazy thing is Islam, Christianity and Judaism are similar religions with VERY similar core beliefs.

The Jews that so many radicalised Muslims hate are actually recognised in the Koran as a legitimate community of believers in God called "People of the Book".

The problem with the 3 big religions is the fucking arsehole fundamentalists that misrepresent the message to further their own geo-political and/or racist agendas.

Well said..btw flash I wasn't avin' a go at Catholicism/Catholics, I too had a (strict) R.C upbringing - I was lucky(isH) in some ways as I attended over 8 different schools as my family moved around with my dad's work...and so I had all kinds of belief and religion views given/imposed...at one of the schools I went to..we were taught R.I and Latin by Nuns...and they were some of the nastiest most un-christian and dis-compassionate humans I've ever come across.....

But the fundamentalists 'use' religion towards their own ego, power driven ends, of course they employ the tactic of proclaiming it is all in the name of God...but surely if there is a God - That God would be all loving and forgiving, seeing as that God created everything - even the Devil - I once heard/read a very interesting thing from a VERY wise elder who said "The Only True Devil In The World Is The Ego", which is so true.


Oh! shyte I've just realised something, I forgot about The Methodists and The Scientologists.....now I am in trouble!

I know you wasnt having a go at the RC faith didnt for one moment think you were, was just explaining my veiws on this subject. Religion whether its Christianity, Islam or Judaism in its purest form is a great beautiful thing its just when humans get involved with their own interpretations and agendas that the message gets twisted. When people kill or hurt in the name of religion this is one of the true evils in this world and throughout history.

The dickheads who made the anti Islam film recently where apparently christian fundementalists (sp) who were aiming to provove a reaction from the very people they hate which was then acted upon and murders happened but by doing so the funny thing is they are nearer to each other twisted views than they could ever imagine

I've always believed in the right to free speech, but I feel something like the right to free speech must be balanced by respect and intelligence and be self governed and the line should be drawn at mindless provocation and the right to incite hatred and/or violence. This moron that made this pointless, provocative shit film knew fuck well it would provoke a certain element in the Muslim world and unfortunately it has led to deaths.

flash gunner wrote:I know you wasnt having a go at the RC faith didnt for one moment think you were, was just explaining my veiws on this subject. Religion whether its Christianity, Islam or Judaism in its purest form is a great beautiful thing its just when humans get involved with their own interpretations and agendas that the message gets twisted. When people kill or hurt in the name of religion this is one of the true evils in this world and throughout history.

The dickheads who made the anti Islam film recently where apparently christian fundementalists (sp) who were aiming to provove a reaction from the very people they hate which was then acted upon and murders happened but by doing so the funny thing is they are nearer to each other twisted views than they could ever imagine

I know mate and the fuckers REALLY Cannot see it! ...Fundamentalists don't need any excuse to do some self-promotion (by any means) or to 're-act' to something outside of their (so called) belief system....See, I think I have a very good solution to all this (the fundamentalist *word censored* that is)...just as we have the Olympics and Paralympics every 4 years...Every 2 years we should have "The Fundamentalist Firm's Sort Out"...They all turn up at some god-forsaken (no pun intended! ) place in the middle of the Sahara Desert - No water, No Food, No Clothes, No Anything EXCEPT Guns , Bullets, Knives, and lots of Alchohol...gallons of the stuff and then let them at it!
The 'Winners' are given the prize of having to march through / across the 9.4 million square miles of the Sahara's terrain relying on only their faith, their urine and the blood and flesh of their fundamentalist brothers and sisters.

Watch the viewing figures on THAT little baby! Forget Big Brother or I'm a celeb get me outta here! etc..

I can guarantee THIS would sell!

When one person has an imaginary friend they put him in an asylum.

When lots of people have the same imaginary friend they form a religion.

GranadaJoe wrote:When one person has an imaginary friend they put him in an asylum.

When lots of people have the same imaginary friend they form a religion.

GranadaJoe wrote:When one person has an imaginary friend they put him in an asylum.

When lots of people have the same imaginary friend they form a religion.

Quality.

flash gunner wrote:

GranadaJoe wrote:When one person has an imaginary friend they put him in an asylum.

When lots of people have the same imaginary friend they form a religion.

Aaaaarrggh! that's how the AKB's came into existence!!!

OneBardGooner wrote:

flash gunner wrote:

GranadaJoe wrote:When one person has an imaginary friend they put him in an asylum.

When lots of people have the same imaginary friend they form a religion.

Aaaaarrggh! that's how the AKB's came into existence!!!

Yeah the fuckers!!!! Im going to make a youtube film to annoy them now