Labour Party Leadership Contest
-
- Posts: 4033
- Joined: Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:23 am
Labour Party Leadership Contest
Quite frankly who gives a fuck.
- flash gunner
- Posts: 29236
- Joined: Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:55 am
- Location: Armchairsville. FACT.
Re: Labour Party Leadership Contest
I do, I voted
- OneBardGooner
- Posts: 43237
- Joined: Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:41 am
- Location: Close To The Edge
Re: Labour Party Leadership Contest
At last the labour party have got some Balls back.
Last edited by OneBardGooner on Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:18 pm, edited 1 time in total.
- northbank123
- Posts: 12436
- Joined: Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:05 am
- Location: Newcastle
Re: Labour Party Leadership Contest
£10 minimum wage. Scrapping tuition fees. The bloke is a raving lunatic
Can somebody explain to me why students shouldn't have to pay tuition fees? It's a fucking joke. Students are given money to piss up the wall on going out two or three times a week. You only ever pay inflationary interest on it and the repayment triggers are very very lenient. Student loans are fucking generous as it is and whilst 9k is excessive why the fuck should taxpayers be finding some chav to spend the whole week munching Super Noodles and drinking white cider between skipping lectures for their Life Skills degree at the University of West Retard.
The governments policy of having 50% of school-leavers going to university is a perverse joke. Do 50% of jobs require a degree? No. It's one thing if 18 year olds decide to get themselves into five figure debt (although not debt in the normal sense given the modest repayment schedules) so that they can spend a few years on the piss doing nothing worthwhile but the taxpayer already bears too much of a burden.
Can somebody explain to me why students shouldn't have to pay tuition fees? It's a fucking joke. Students are given money to piss up the wall on going out two or three times a week. You only ever pay inflationary interest on it and the repayment triggers are very very lenient. Student loans are fucking generous as it is and whilst 9k is excessive why the fuck should taxpayers be finding some chav to spend the whole week munching Super Noodles and drinking white cider between skipping lectures for their Life Skills degree at the University of West Retard.
The governments policy of having 50% of school-leavers going to university is a perverse joke. Do 50% of jobs require a degree? No. It's one thing if 18 year olds decide to get themselves into five figure debt (although not debt in the normal sense given the modest repayment schedules) so that they can spend a few years on the piss doing nothing worthwhile but the taxpayer already bears too much of a burden.
-
- Posts: 1872
- Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:34 am
- Location: Lokomotiv Plovdiv in the Channel 5 Thursday night cup
Re: Labour Party Leadership Contest
It's no longer a political party. It's a fucking cult. No more credible than the fucking Green hippies
- flash gunner
- Posts: 29236
- Joined: Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:55 am
- Location: Armchairsville. FACT.
Re: Labour Party Leadership Contest
Not getting into all details and arguments but as a union member and associate member of the Labour Party I'm happy with Corbyn winning, now whether the Labour Party win the next general election or not there is a genuine difference between the parties and the British population can make their choices accordingly
- northbank123
- Posts: 12436
- Joined: Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:05 am
- Location: Newcastle
Re: Labour Party Leadership Contest
And being a genuinely completely different candidate is why people have voted for Corbyn. Is it worth it if it ruins any chance of Labour winning the general election though?flash gunner wrote:Not getting into all details and arguments but as a union member and associate member of the Labour Party I'm happy with Corbyn winning, now whether the Labour Party win the next general election or not there is a genuine difference between the parties and the British population can make their choices accordingly
A lot can change in the next five years but whilst I don't think people will elect Corbyn I don't think he'll be quite the electoral disaster that people predict.
I just think that the bloke is stuck three decades in the past. Some of his policies are bordering on ludicrous.
-
- Posts: 4033
- Joined: Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:23 am
Re: Labour Party Leadership Contest
The Labour party are like Spurs, 97 never again!!!!
Corbyn seems to have captured the imagination of the hippy style cannabis smoking student youth. Once they start paying tax and snorting cocaine, they will become ravaging Tories!
Corbyn seems to have captured the imagination of the hippy style cannabis smoking student youth. Once they start paying tax and snorting cocaine, they will become ravaging Tories!
-
- Posts: 2419
- Joined: Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:58 pm
- Location: In the tube, rather late again......
Re: Labour Party Leadership Contest
Totally against them mate- its an investment by the state in the student who will in all likelihood earn more and then pay more taxes back to the state. By your logic why the f.ck dont children at school have to get a loan and pay it back To land students with such a debt And very unfairly not penalise 24 year olds and over with the same degree and loan is a total disgrace.northbank123 wrote:
Can somebody explain to me why students shouldn't have to pay tuition fees? It's a fucking joke.
As it is a lot of people with degrees are SERIOUSLY considering emigrating, and with a £36,000 loan that you avoid paying if you do then its a bit of a no brainer.
About the worst thing ever done by Labour and aggravated more by the coalition.
- OneBardGooner
- Posts: 43237
- Joined: Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:41 am
- Location: Close To The Edge
Re: Labour Party Leadership Contest
Well said Flash.flash gunner wrote:Not getting into all details and arguments but as a union member and associate member of the Labour Party I'm happy with Corbyn winning, now whether the Labour Party win the next general election or not there is a genuine difference between the parties and the British population can make their choices accordingly
- OneBardGooner
- Posts: 43237
- Joined: Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:41 am
- Location: Close To The Edge
Re: Labour Party Leadership Contest
nut flush gooner wrote:The Labour party are like Spurs, 97 never again!!!!
Corbyn seems to have captured the imagination of the hippy style cannabis smoking student youth. Once they start paying tax and snorting cocaine, and banging one another in the dorms they will become ravaging Tories!
Re: Labour Party Leadership Contest
great to see a proper socialist leading the labour party.
- storrmin571
- Posts: 3304
- Joined: Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:10 pm
- Location: PONTYPANDY FIRE STATION
Re: Labour Party Leadership Contest
Seems like most Labour MPS have forgotten that its the party who should be standing up for the workers, the disadvantaged. Lost the last remaining credibility they had with me when they abstained against the tory welfare bill. Now voting for Plaid Cymru, only ones who have actually said stop the cuts on public services. They also voted against the welfare bill.
- northbank123
- Posts: 12436
- Joined: Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:05 am
- Location: Newcastle
Re: Labour Party Leadership Contest
Where do you draw the line going the other way? Should the state pay for Masters degrees? PHDs? What about people who want to go back to university at 40 to change career? And if we're sponsoring all of this shouldn't the state also sponsor apprentices to earn a proper wage in their first year of vocational learning rather than less than £3/hour?Theoperator wrote:Totally against them mate- its an investment by the state in the student who will in all likelihood earn more and then pay more taxes back to the state. By your logic why the f.ck dont children at school have to get a loan and pay it back To land students with such a debt And very unfairly not penalise 24 year olds and over with the same degree and loan is a total disgrace.northbank123 wrote:
Can somebody explain to me why students shouldn't have to pay tuition fees? It's a fucking joke.
As it is a lot of people with degrees are SERIOUSLY considering emigrating, and with a £36,000 loan that you avoid paying if you do then its a bit of a no brainer.
About the worst thing ever done by Labour and aggravated more by the coalition.
An education til 16 is a necessity, and further education until 18 greatly benefits the vast vast majority of kids - and they are still kids at 16. A university education is of vastly reduced benefit to a much smaller group of people. The idea that we should be aiming for 50% of students to go to university is a complete and utter fucking joke as a massively lower proportion of jobs in the workplace actually need degrees.
I was in the position of applying to university 7 or 8 years. I went to a good school and people just ended up getting shepherded into going to university because it was assumed to be the next step. Shall I tell you what my mates who all went to ex-polytechnics to doss around doing sports-based degrees are doing now? Working in supermarkets, working at car dealerships, working in call centres. Their shit degree isn't worth the paper it's written on. Shall I tell you what my mates who left school to do apprenticeships to be electricians, plumbers etc are doing? Skilled work for a bloody good wage.
And let's not forget that the student loan repayment obligations are very generous. Earn £21,000 or less? Don't pay a penny back. Earn £30,000? Pay a modest £67/month. Interest of RPI? Hardly going to force you out of your home is it. People's perceptions of student debt is massively misplaced. I don't know where your sweeping generalisation about people wanting to emigrate because of student loans comes from but having spent 4 years studying at university and working exclusively with people with a university education I can honestly say I've never heard anybody say anything like that. Maybe that was because I went to university to do a worthwhile degree though.
University isn't a 'rite of passage' that we should be handing kids nearly £40,000 to go through. We should be aiming to drastically reduce the numbers of people needlessly taking on student debt to go to university to do pointless degrees rather than encouraging more. We should be stopping brainless careers advisers from telling students that they should be going to university when they just don't need to. We should be stopping the plethora of fucking useless institutions out there from fleecing the state (via student loans) to offer fucking useless courses. We shouldn't be feeding the beast just so that students can afford to go out two or three times a week and pop to the odd lecture on a course that does nothing for their career.
-
- Posts: 979
- Joined: Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:57 pm
Re: Labour Party Leadership Contest
That's a bloody well argued point of view and I agree with it in it's entirety.