As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
So many of you are missing the point here. This is all about censorship and the Tory control of the national broadcaster. As some have mentioned, no problem with Andrew Neill, Alan Sugar, Jeremy Clarkson tweeting right-wing based messages in the past but as soon as any anti-Tory thoughts are posted, it’s full on George Orwell Big Brother censorship.
No punishment for Fiona Bruce excusing Stanley Johnson for battering his wife on Question Time, but her husband is a well known Tory donor, so nothing to see there. These are dangerous times right now and the signs are there of a slow growth of facsism. Division, diversion and control.
By suspending Lineker, they have totally shot themselves in the foot as all they’ve done is prove the point they are controlled by a Tory Chairman and Tory Director General. Be interesting to see how this plays out.
Very well put and hard to argue against this.
I see a couple of contributors have tried but really it is more a case of lashing out as they haven’t really got any counter argument.
More a case of not wanting to see the truth.
And for anyone calling Lineker a then ok but you are also calling Ian Wright a as he was the first to defend Lineker. And anyone on here calling Wright a can fuck right off!
Don't be stupid Rob. Get a grip mate. Lineker is a tottnumb cûnt, end of.
While certainly not a cùnt, and certainly a footballing Arsenal Legend, Wrighty the pundit is a complete mong most of the time. Never forget his mocking of an Arsenal player by screeching like a bitch with his tottnumb buddy, Jug Ears.
If Lineker paid the right amount of tax perhaps we could afford to house a lot more immigrants. He hides his wealth in a Limited Company as a freelancer when in reality he is as close to a permanent employee of the BBC as you can get. Bloke’s a total fucking hypocrite.
Wrighty is a great bloke but not the sharpest tool. He came as near to bankruptcy as you can get a few years ago until he got bailed out by SWP. This never made the papers but it is gospel. He works as a contractor too. So he is in the same camp as Lineker except he doesn’t tweet political BS.
This is all a massive game play from Lineker. On massive wages, limited tax and wants to slag off all and sundry whereas permanent BBC employees are banned from doing so. If you want the profile that comes from anchoring a BBC show for 15 years then you have to abide by the rules. The cynical side of me thinks he has blown this thing up so he can show to HMRC that he is a pure contractor. He has an ongoing court case with them where they are arguing he avoided tax.
More to the point Lineker has a long standing reputation for being a total *word censored* in real life. I’ve seen it personally over the years. There are also a few lawyers on retainer so these stories about regarding toome don’t get out.
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I've answered your question about his tax status. I find it hypocritical that he is dragging out a case against HMRC when he can clearly afford to pay the money that is in dispute. If he wants better public sevices or better immigration rights, pay the fucking tax you are supposed to pay. Don't dispute it, pay it. I get fucking furious about the wealthy avoiding tax through their ability to pay more money to accountants to avoid what they could and should pay.
I've found Lineker to be a reprehensible human being for years. The stories I have heard about him and his hands and his creepy behaviour and then his absolutely sickening David Brent style desperation for attention and affection are abhorrent. I couldn't give a fuck what he thinks, I could give a fuck what he tweets but I do give a fuck when he wants free speech and has gone through the courts to prevent stories about him being published. And when it comes to Brexit, how the fuck do you work out that I voted for it? I wasn't even allowed a vote. Not every opposing view makes someone Nigel fucking Farrange.
You haven't answered anything. He hasn't done anything wrong, as a freelancer he has much more flexibility over how he draws an income from his own company. He's no different to any businessman that runs a Limited Company.
He will have been advised about the optimal way of drawing a salary by his tax advisers/accountants. That's not tax evasion. HMRC can investigate his tax affairs, that happens all the time with not only celebrities but people in business.
So why don't you jump on the BBC then for its Chairman making a donation in the hundreds of thousands to the Conservative Party. Or Fiona Bruce giving Stanley Johnson a pass for breaking his Mrs nose, saying it only happened once? Both much more controversial than anything Lineker has said ?
As I say, if you've got millions, pay what you owe, don't fuck about trying to find ways out of paying. If I'd been caught out and paid back 5m pounds, I'd have been ashamed and shut up forever.
As for the other stuff, I honestly don't know about what you're referring to with regards to the BBC and money and politics, so I can't comment. What I will say however is that I remember people feeling the same way you feel but the other way round when Blair and Mandelson were manipulating them and pressurising them with the Iraq dossier or Prescott punching people or Ron Davis getting caught cottaging on Clapham Common after the Labour Party had paid for stories to out gay Conservative MPs and the 45 minute claim and the death of Dr. David Kelly. That upset me. That was horrendous. That select committee with the "You're just chaff" comment. We all have reasons for feeling the way we do or have experienced things in our professional backgrounds which have influenced how we feel about things. As I say, I don't know what goes on in Britain these days too much but if it comes to offering a counter or alternative view based on my thoughts and experiences and if asked to defend my views, I'm happy to. I live in another country, I didn't vote for Brexit. As I say, having another view and being uncomfortable with someone or something doesn't make you Nigel Farrage.
ok interesting to hear that you no longer live in the UK.
I won't make any criticisms of your views because I appreciate that you will be viewing things in a different context to those of us living in the Tory Britain of today which is completely different now to the Britain of the past. Back then if you held a view and someone else held a view then fair enough, you could agree to disagree, but today we are seeing censorship extend everywhere. The BBC is now a mouthpiece for the Conservative government, which is appalling. It appears nobody can say anything anymore. Sad times.
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Facking hell Rob your political views are completely naive and straight out of 6th form. Stop before you make yourself look more stupid!!!
Your so blinkered against the right it's funny. What's being censored. What can't you say? Someone who has to be impartial as part of their contractual obligation (or that of their contracting company should we want to be anal about it) not being so.
Im sure you would be wetting yourself were any bbc folk coming out tweeting in support of 'right wing' causes.
What about the Censorship of people who don't support certain causes pushed by the left yet get cancelled or prosecuted for speaking out, trans, blm, legacy of empire, someones legacy/name being removed because they like a bit of sugar that was harvested by slaves, protestors being allowed to cause disruption whilst the police stand by and watch, police more interested in spurious hate crime whilst real crime goes through the roof? Yes there certainly is censorship pushed by a noisy bunch of leftisr morons on channles such as the cesspit echo chmaber of twatter (no offence mcd!) who utilise modern media to push an agenda that is supported by very few.
Is it any wonder the country and standards have gone to shit whilst increasing focus is given to all the faffy crap and causes of last few years?
Gary Lineker should be massively applaudec for speaking out against this horrible cuntish government and their disgraceful record and legislation on immigration, and I couldn't be prouder for Wrighty to be immediately backing him in solidarity.
Big up to Shearer and the rest of them all for following suit!
Fuck the fucking Tories, each and every one of them, and fuck the Tory mouthpiece BBC!
really
comparing our country (one he still choses to live in) to Nazi Germany
Linkeaker along with Phil Neville Lilly Allen are the worst of he champagne soicialists
bleat on about migrants but do not offer room in there mansions for some to live with them
or want them in thier neighbour hoods
the people affected by this are us working class that get them forced upon them
try getting a doctors appointment or other services
I actually believe Lineaker has the right to freedom of speech and can say what he wants
but if he has breached a social media policy he agreed to with the BBC he has to accept the punishment
Ok a lot going on in this post.
What stood out though was that you said that it was hard to get a doctors appointment.
Spot on but that’s not because of a few thousand migrants crossing the Channel in small boats.
This is what the Tory government want you to believe, this is why they are pushing the Lineker story as a distraction, why they keep pushing the migrants issue.
The real reason you and most people can’t get a doctors appointment is because the Tory government have slowly been dismantling the NHS over the past 13 years, yet most people sadly can’t see this, due to clever manipulating tabloid journalism.
There are less and less GPs and we are slowly heading towards privatisation of the NHS. The impact of that on the working class will be horrendous. Just don’t keep blaming the migrants - you are being played big time if you do
I've answered your question about his tax status. I find it hypocritical that he is dragging out a case against HMRC when he can clearly afford to pay the money that is in dispute. If he wants better public sevices or better immigration rights, pay the fucking tax you are supposed to pay. Don't dispute it, pay it. I get fucking furious about the wealthy avoiding tax through their ability to pay more money to accountants to avoid what they could and should pay.
I've found Lineker to be a reprehensible human being for years. The stories I have heard about him and his hands and his creepy behaviour and then his absolutely sickening David Brent style desperation for attention and affection are abhorrent. I couldn't give a fuck what he thinks, I could give a fuck what he tweets but I do give a fuck when he wants free speech and has gone through the courts to prevent stories about him being published. And when it comes to Brexit, how the fuck do you work out that I voted for it? I wasn't even allowed a vote. Not every opposing view makes someone Nigel fucking Farrange.
You haven't answered anything. He hasn't done anything wrong, as a freelancer he has much more flexibility over how he draws an income from his own company. He's no different to any businessman that runs a Limited Company.
He will have been advised about the optimal way of drawing a salary by his tax advisers/accountants. That's not tax evasion. HMRC can investigate his tax affairs, that happens all the time with not only celebrities but people in business.
So why don't you jump on the BBC then for its Chairman making a donation in the hundreds of thousands to the Conservative Party. Or Fiona Bruce giving Stanley Johnson a pass for breaking his Mrs nose, saying it only happened once? Both much more controversial than anything Lineker has said ?
As I say, if you've got millions, pay what you owe, don't fuck about trying to find ways out of paying. If I'd been caught out and paid back 5m pounds, I'd have been ashamed and shut up forever.
As for the other stuff, I honestly don't know about what you're referring to with regards to the BBC and money and politics, so I can't comment. What I will say however is that I remember people feeling the same way you feel but the other way round when Blair and Mandelson were manipulating them and pressurising them with the Iraq dossier or Prescott punching people or Ron Davis getting caught cottaging on Clapham Common after the Labour Party had paid for stories to out gay Conservative MPs and the 45 minute claim and the death of Dr. David Kelly. That upset me. That was horrendous. That select committee with the "You're just chaff" comment. We all have reasons for feeling the way we do or have experienced things in our professional backgrounds which have influenced how we feel about things. As I say, I don't know what goes on in Britain these days too much but if it comes to offering a counter or alternative view based on my thoughts and experiences and if asked to defend my views, I'm happy to. I live in another country, I didn't vote for Brexit. As I say, having another view and being uncomfortable with someone or something doesn't make you Nigel Farrage.
ok interesting to hear that you no longer live in the UK.
I won't make any criticisms of your views because I appreciate that you will be viewing things in a different context to those of us living in the Tory Britain of today which is completely different now to the Britain of the past. Back then if you held a view and someone else held a view then fair enough, you could agree to disagree, but today we are seeing censorship extend everywhere. The BBC is now a mouthpiece for the Conservative government, which is appalling. It appears nobody can say anything anymore. Sad times.
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Facking hell Rob your political views are completely naive and straight out of 6th form. Stop before you make yourself look more stupid!!!
Your so blinkered against the right it's funny. What's being censored. What can't you say? Someone who has to be impartial as part of their contractual obligation (or that of their contracting company should we want to be anal about it) not being so.
Im sure you would be wetting yourself were any bbc folk coming out tweeting in support of 'right wing' causes.
What about the Censorship of people who don't support certain causes pushed by the left yet get cancelled or prosecuted for speaking out, trans, blm, legacy of empire, someones legacy/name being removed because they like a bit of sugar that was harvested by slaves, protestors being allowed to cause disruption whilst the police stand by and watch, police more interested in spurious hate crime whilst real crime goes through the roof? Yes there certainly is censorship pushed by a noisy bunch of leftisr morons on channles such as the cesspit echo chmaber of twatter (no offence mcd!) who utilise modern media to push an agenda that is supported by very few.
Is it any wonder the country and standards have gone to shit whilst increasing focus is given to all the faffy crap and causes of last few years?
Feel embarrassed for you. Totally out of touch, but as you also support Arsenal I’m unwilling to criticise.
Like Lineker you are entitled to your opinions.
His are just a lot clearer in their message than yours. Hope you had a good holiday.
The reason you can’t get a Doctor’s appointment is because of the unintended consequence of reducing the lifetime allowance for pensions. LTAs we’re about £1.8m but were reduced to about £1m for a tax grab. A lot of senior consultants and GPs are over the allowance in their late 50s so have simply gone part time or retired early altogether. Nothing to do with immigrants.
I do make you right that the government hasn’t invested in infrastructure. Labour did build hospitals but funded them using PFI contracts which have cost a literal fortune. They are both as bad as each other in my opinion.
Regarding immigration, we can’t have thousands of people risking their lives to come here by boat. It has to stop. The Government have tried everything so far but each and every measure gets contested by human rights lawyers. I’m all ears to what the answer is. Perhaps a quota and an ability to apply from abroad. But how would that be managed. What would the quota be? I can also imagine the boats will continue because Albanians don’t have any need to come here. Criminal gangs have hijacked our more than fair legal system for their own gains. Total clusterfuck all round.
lineker is using his position in a tax payer funded organisation to spread his personal views....comparing the goverments policy on immigration to nazi germany is absurd...if anything the plan could save lives and foreign criminals profiting on exploiting refugees
How can he not have a contract mate? With the money they pay him?
He works for BT Sport and the BBC as a freelancer, they pay a fee to his company and he then declares his income through annual accounts.
So Perry fuels his confirmation bias by jumping on your abusive post, but won't answer the question about Gary Lineker's tax status. Because the reality is he hasn't got a clue.
The same people who voted for Brexit jumping on Gary Lineker both on this forum and across social media, whilst we are at it Brexit has gone well hasn't it lads?
I've answered your question about his tax status. I find it hypocritical that he is dragging out a case against HMRC when he can clearly afford to pay the money that is in dispute. If he wants better public sevices or better immigration rights, pay the fucking tax you are supposed to pay. Don't dispute it, pay it. I get fucking furious about the wealthy avoiding tax through their ability to pay more money to accountants to avoid what they could and should pay.
I've found Lineker to be a reprehensible human being for years. The stories I have heard about him and his hands and his creepy behaviour and then his absolutely sickening David Brent style desperation for attention and affection are abhorrent. I couldn't give a fuck what he thinks, I could give a fuck what he tweets but I do give a fuck when he wants free speech and has gone through the courts to prevent stories about him being published. And when it comes to Brexit, how the fuck do you work out that I voted for it? I wasn't even allowed a vote. Not every opposing view makes someone Nigel fucking Farrange.
You haven't answered anything. He hasn't done anything wrong, as a freelancer he has much more flexibility over how he draws an income from his own company. He's no different to any businessman that runs a Limited Company.
He will have been advised about the optimal way of drawing a salary by his tax advisers/accountants. That's not tax evasion. HMRC can investigate his tax affairs, that happens all the time with not only celebrities but people in business.
So why don't you jump on the BBC then for its Chairman making a donation in the hundreds of thousands to the Conservative Party. Or Fiona Bruce giving Stanley Johnson a pass for breaking his Mrs nose, saying it only happened once? Both much more controversial than anything Lineker has said ?
As I say, if you've got millions, pay what you owe, don't fuck about trying to find ways out of paying. If I'd been caught out and paid back 5m pounds, I'd have been ashamed and shut up forever.
As for the other stuff, I honestly don't know about what you're referring to with regards to the BBC and money and politics, so I can't comment. What I will say however is that I remember people feeling the same way you feel but the other way round when Blair and Mandelson were manipulating them and pressurising them with the Iraq dossier or Prescott punching people or Ron Davis getting caught cottaging on Clapham Common after the Labour Party had paid for stories to out gay Conservative MPs and the 45 minute claim and the death of Dr. David Kelly. That upset me. That was horrendous. That select committee with the "You're just chaff" comment. We all have reasons for feeling the way we do or have experienced things in our professional backgrounds which have influenced how we feel about things. As I say, I don't know what goes on in Britain these days too much but if it comes to offering a counter or alternative view based on my thoughts and experiences and if asked to defend my views, I'm happy to. I live in another country, I didn't vote for Brexit. As I say, having another view and being uncomfortable with someone or something doesn't make you Nigel Farrage.
Again I reiterate and you really seem to struggle with this Perry, Gary Lineker owns his own business for which he offers freelancing services to various Media organisations. He doesn't have an employment contract, the BBC doesn't pay into a pension for him, or give him the same rights as any other employee.
He (Gary Lineker) is like any businessman in this country and has the right to set up a Limited company through which he can then decide how much he pays himself. That could be zero in any tax year it could be a million quid. He can also pay himself dividends which by definition are taxed at a much lower rate than Income Tax. That is TAX PLANNING, any successful businessman with the guidance of an Accountant or Financial Advisor will look at this route as a viable way of drawing an income from their company. This is nothing special, in fact, it is the norm.
The reason such a storm is created is because people like you who don't get how our tax system works blast off on what he should pay, when the reality is if you were in the same position being advised by professionals to draw your income in an optimal tax strategy would do exactly the same.
lineker is using his position in a tax payer funded organisation to spread his personal views....comparing the goverments policy on immigration to nazi germany is absurd...if anything the plan could save lives and foreign criminals profiting on exploiting refugees
It's not taxpayer funded. Why does this feel like groundhog day aka the Brexit thread. Complete and utter ignorance. Funnily enough, the same characters are popping up all over this thread.
You haven't answered anything. He hasn't done anything wrong, as a freelancer he has much more flexibility over how he draws an income from his own company. He's no different to any businessman that runs a Limited Company.
He will have been advised about the optimal way of drawing a salary by his tax advisers/accountants. That's not tax evasion. HMRC can investigate his tax affairs, that happens all the time with not only celebrities but people in business.
So why don't you jump on the BBC then for its Chairman making a donation in the hundreds of thousands to the Conservative Party. Or Fiona Bruce giving Stanley Johnson a pass for breaking his Mrs nose, saying it only happened once? Both much more controversial than anything Lineker has said ?
As I say, if you've got millions, pay what you owe, don't fuck about trying to find ways out of paying. If I'd been caught out and paid back 5m pounds, I'd have been ashamed and shut up forever.
As for the other stuff, I honestly don't know about what you're referring to with regards to the BBC and money and politics, so I can't comment. What I will say however is that I remember people feeling the same way you feel but the other way round when Blair and Mandelson were manipulating them and pressurising them with the Iraq dossier or Prescott punching people or Ron Davis getting caught cottaging on Clapham Common after the Labour Party had paid for stories to out gay Conservative MPs and the 45 minute claim and the death of Dr. David Kelly. That upset me. That was horrendous. That select committee with the "You're just chaff" comment. We all have reasons for feeling the way we do or have experienced things in our professional backgrounds which have influenced how we feel about things. As I say, I don't know what goes on in Britain these days too much but if it comes to offering a counter or alternative view based on my thoughts and experiences and if asked to defend my views, I'm happy to. I live in another country, I didn't vote for Brexit. As I say, having another view and being uncomfortable with someone or something doesn't make you Nigel Farrage.
ok interesting to hear that you no longer live in the UK.
I won't make any criticisms of your views because I appreciate that you will be viewing things in a different context to those of us living in the Tory Britain of today which is completely different now to the Britain of the past. Back then if you held a view and someone else held a view then fair enough, you could agree to disagree, but today we are seeing censorship extend everywhere. The BBC is now a mouthpiece for the Conservative government, which is appalling. It appears nobody can say anything anymore. Sad times.
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Facking hell Rob your political views are completely naive and straight out of 6th form. Stop before you make yourself look more stupid!!!
Your so blinkered against the right it's funny. What's being censored. What can't you say? Someone who has to be impartial as part of their contractual obligation (or that of their contracting company should we want to be anal about it) not being so.
Im sure you would be wetting yourself were any bbc folk coming out tweeting in support of 'right wing' causes.
What about the Censorship of people who don't support certain causes pushed by the left yet get cancelled or prosecuted for speaking out, trans, blm, legacy of empire, someones legacy/name being removed because they like a bit of sugar that was harvested by slaves, protestors being allowed to cause disruption whilst the police stand by and watch, police more interested in spurious hate crime whilst real crime goes through the roof? Yes there certainly is censorship pushed by a noisy bunch of leftisr morons on channles such as the cesspit echo chmaber of twatter (no offence mcd!) who utilise modern media to push an agenda that is supported by very few.
Is it any wonder the country and standards have gone to shit whilst increasing focus is given to all the faffy crap and causes of last few years?
Feel embarrassed for you. Totally out of touch, but as you also support Arsenal I’m unwilling to criticise.
Like Lineker you are entitled to your opinions.
His are just a lot clearer in their message than yours. Hope you had a good holiday.
Good for you. I and a lot of people think your a complete moron but there you go!
Your borderline wumming over the years causing some to question your allegiances to boot which although think that in recent times you have improved.
Out of touch...you live in Central London and do what as a job? Same as nfg in your London bubble although nfg at least articulates it with some thought.
You simply ignore any cogent points put to you and claim people out of touch...without addressing any points.
It's like playing chess with a pigeon with you Rob.
The pigeon just knocks all the pieces over. Then shits all over the board. Then struts around like it won.
Anyone sorry your a gooner and will agree to disagree.
So you have no issue with what Amazon, Starbucks and all the rest of them do? Minimising tax within the tax rules is all fair enough according to you?
Glad I’ve got that right.
Carry on as you were.
Tax laws are made by governments not companies? And governments want large companies to employ people in this country, how many thousands of jobs do those named work in the UK?
And there is no comparison between Gary Lineker's personal tax affairs to that of Amazon et al.
Have you ever wondered why so many corporates are set up in Ireland?
As I say, if you've got millions, pay what you owe, don't fuck about trying to find ways out of paying. If I'd been caught out and paid back 5m pounds, I'd have been ashamed and shut up forever.
As for the other stuff, I honestly don't know about what you're referring to with regards to the BBC and money and politics, so I can't comment. What I will say however is that I remember people feeling the same way you feel but the other way round when Blair and Mandelson were manipulating them and pressurising them with the Iraq dossier or Prescott punching people or Ron Davis getting caught cottaging on Clapham Common after the Labour Party had paid for stories to out gay Conservative MPs and the 45 minute claim and the death of Dr. David Kelly. That upset me. That was horrendous. That select committee with the "You're just chaff" comment. We all have reasons for feeling the way we do or have experienced things in our professional backgrounds which have influenced how we feel about things. As I say, I don't know what goes on in Britain these days too much but if it comes to offering a counter or alternative view based on my thoughts and experiences and if asked to defend my views, I'm happy to. I live in another country, I didn't vote for Brexit. As I say, having another view and being uncomfortable with someone or something doesn't make you Nigel Farrage.
ok interesting to hear that you no longer live in the UK.
I won't make any criticisms of your views because I appreciate that you will be viewing things in a different context to those of us living in the Tory Britain of today which is completely different now to the Britain of the past. Back then if you held a view and someone else held a view then fair enough, you could agree to disagree, but today we are seeing censorship extend everywhere. The BBC is now a mouthpiece for the Conservative government, which is appalling. It appears nobody can say anything anymore. Sad times.
Back from holiday and browsing this in taxi...and had to post...
Facking hell Rob your political views are completely naive and straight out of 6th form. Stop before you make yourself look more stupid!!!
Your so blinkered against the right it's funny. What's being censored. What can't you say? Someone who has to be impartial as part of their contractual obligation (or that of their contracting company should we want to be anal about it) not being so.
Im sure you would be wetting yourself were any bbc folk coming out tweeting in support of 'right wing' causes.
What about the Censorship of people who don't support certain causes pushed by the left yet get cancelled or prosecuted for speaking out, trans, blm, legacy of empire, someones legacy/name being removed because they like a bit of sugar that was harvested by slaves, protestors being allowed to cause disruption whilst the police stand by and watch, police more interested in spurious hate crime whilst real crime goes through the roof? Yes there certainly is censorship pushed by a noisy bunch of leftisr morons on channles such as the cesspit echo chmaber of twatter (no offence mcd!) who utilise modern media to push an agenda that is supported by very few.
Is it any wonder the country and standards have gone to shit whilst increasing focus is given to all the faffy crap and causes of last few years?
Feel embarrassed for you. Totally out of touch, but as you also support Arsenal I’m unwilling to criticise.
Like Lineker you are entitled to your opinions.
His are just a lot clearer in their message than yours. Hope you had a good holiday.
Good for you. I and a lot of people think your a complete moron but there you go!
Your borderline wumming over the years causing some to question your allegiances to boot which although think that in recent times you have improved.
Out of touch...you live in Central London and do what as a job? Same as nfg in your London bubble although nfg at least articulates it with some thought.
You simply ignore any cogent points put to you and claim people out of touch...without addressing any points.
It's like playing chess with a pigeon with you Rob.
The pigeon just knocks all the pieces over. Then shits all over the board. Then struts around like it won.
Anyone sorry your a gooner and will agree to disagree.
FOYS and Lineker.
COYG
Sorry again DB.
Coherent points? Like the ones made on the Brexit thread several years ago?
And people like you still won't acknowledge what a shower of shit the whole process has been and the damage it's done to this country.
You talk about a London bubble, hate to tell you this. Arsenal is right in the middle of it, an affluent area predicated by rich gooners. So perhaps Arsenal isn't the team for you, maybe you'll feel more at home at some provincial club.
He works for BT Sport and the BBC as a freelancer, they pay a fee to his company and he then declares his income through annual accounts.
So Perry fuels his confirmation bias by jumping on your abusive post, but won't answer the question about Gary Lineker's tax status. Because the reality is he hasn't got a clue.
The same people who voted for Brexit jumping on Gary Lineker both on this forum and across social media, whilst we are at it Brexit has gone well hasn't it lads?
I've answered your question about his tax status. I find it hypocritical that he is dragging out a case against HMRC when he can clearly afford to pay the money that is in dispute. If he wants better public sevices or better immigration rights, pay the fucking tax you are supposed to pay. Don't dispute it, pay it. I get fucking furious about the wealthy avoiding tax through their ability to pay more money to accountants to avoid what they could and should pay.
I've found Lineker to be a reprehensible human being for years. The stories I have heard about him and his hands and his creepy behaviour and then his absolutely sickening David Brent style desperation for attention and affection are abhorrent. I couldn't give a fuck what he thinks, I could give a fuck what he tweets but I do give a fuck when he wants free speech and has gone through the courts to prevent stories about him being published. And when it comes to Brexit, how the fuck do you work out that I voted for it? I wasn't even allowed a vote. Not every opposing view makes someone Nigel fucking Farrange.
You haven't answered anything. He hasn't done anything wrong, as a freelancer he has much more flexibility over how he draws an income from his own company. He's no different to any businessman that runs a Limited Company.
He will have been advised about the optimal way of drawing a salary by his tax advisers/accountants. That's not tax evasion. HMRC can investigate his tax affairs, that happens all the time with not only celebrities but people in business.
So why don't you jump on the BBC then for its Chairman making a donation in the hundreds of thousands to the Conservative Party. Or Fiona Bruce giving Stanley Johnson a pass for breaking his Mrs nose, saying it only happened once? Both much more controversial than anything Lineker has said ?
As I say, if you've got millions, pay what you owe, don't fuck about trying to find ways out of paying. If I'd been caught out and paid back 5m pounds, I'd have been ashamed and shut up forever.
As for the other stuff, I honestly don't know about what you're referring to with regards to the BBC and money and politics, so I can't comment. What I will say however is that I remember people feeling the same way you feel but the other way round when Blair and Mandelson were manipulating them and pressurising them with the Iraq dossier or Prescott punching people or Ron Davis getting caught cottaging on Clapham Common after the Labour Party had paid for stories to out gay Conservative MPs and the 45 minute claim and the death of Dr. David Kelly. That upset me. That was horrendous. That select committee with the "You're just chaff" comment. We all have reasons for feeling the way we do or have experienced things in our professional backgrounds which have influenced how we feel about things. As I say, I don't know what goes on in Britain these days too much but if it comes to offering a counter or alternative view based on my thoughts and experiences and if asked to defend my views, I'm happy to. I live in another country, I didn't vote for Brexit. As I say, having another view and being uncomfortable with someone or something doesn't make you Nigel Farrage.
Again I reiterate and you really seem to struggle with this Perry, Gary Lineker owns his own business for which he offers freelancing services to various Media organisations. He doesn't have an employment contract, the BBC doesn't pay into a pension for him, or give him the same rights as any other employee.
He (Gary Lineker) is like any businessman in this country and has the right to set up a Limited company through which he can then decide how much he pays himself. That could be zero in any tax year it could be a million quid. He can also pay himself dividends which by definition are taxed at a much lower rate than Income Tax. That is TAX PLANNING, any successful businessman with the guidance of an Accountant or Financial Advisor will look at this route as a viable way of drawing an income from their company. This is nothing special, in fact, it is the norm.
The reason such a storm is created is because people like you who don't get how our tax system works blast off on what he should pay, when the reality is if you were in the same position being advised by professionals to draw your income in an optimal tax strategy would do exactly the same.
People like me, eh? Always good to have generalisations based on absolutely nothing... All I'm saying is that if he wants to complain about services and how bad things are or whatever, perhaps actually pay tax. That sort of helps society doesn't it. When that horrible Greenfell fire happened and all those 'celebs' appeared outside demanding money from the Government, I remember reading a piece by a social worker which said that the best way for wealthy people to help those less well off, is to pay the tax that you actually owe rather than using your money to pay less. Having been in a line of work in one of the most deprived areas of Britain and seeing at first hand the absolute desperation and lack of any help under the previous government and the abject waste of money and complete disinterest in chasing up wealthy tax evaders, I find all this "Fuck the Tories" shit so short sighted and agenda driven. I'm the first to criticise things but I also like to see a bit of perspective and balance to things.
The reason you can’t get a Doctor’s appointment is because of the unintended consequence of reducing the lifetime allowance for pensions. LTAs we’re about £1.8m but were reduced to about £1m for a tax grab. A lot of senior consultants and GPs are over the allowance in their late 50s so have simply gone part time or retired early altogether. Nothing to do with immigrants.
I do make you right that the government hasn’t invested in infrastructure. Labour did build hospitals but funded them using PFI contracts which have cost a literal fortune. They are both as bad as each other in my opinion.
Regarding immigration, we can’t have thousands of people risking their lives to come here by boat. It has to stop. The Government have tried everything so far but each and every measure gets contested by human rights lawyers. I’m all ears to what the answer is. Perhaps a quota and an ability to apply from abroad. But how would that be managed. What would the quota be? I can also imagine the boats will continue because Albanians don’t have any need to come here. Criminal gangs have hijacked our more than fair legal system for their own gains. Total clusterfuck all round.
People cannot get a doctors appointment because the whole health system is mostly a shambles despite real terms spending going up, no government of any color dare reform it which is the only way to fix it as its too hot a topic and the simplistic say what a wonderful service it is etc envy if world etc. When in fact it isn't on lots of places and compares poorly to its European peers pound for pound.
At best it's a curate egg.
It will never change though as any attempt at reform gets howling from the robs of the world with some big grand idea that's its amazing as they see it as a political issue when it really shouldn't be seen as such.
So money continues be to be pored into a blackhole and things get progressively worse as people won't allow the desperate reform it needs and doctors and consultants want to to perform better than it is.
then ok but you are also calling Ian Wright a
